Re: DFsort error message

[Bob T Roller]

One of the most important things I learned 45 years ago was 37 is always a 
space issue. 13 was an open issue and 14 a close issue.

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On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 1:24 PM, Ron Thomas 
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at 1:24 PM, Ron Thomas < wrote:

> Hi All -
>
> We are getting a sort error on a huge file . Below are the details from log
>
> Parm cards used
> SORT FIELDS=COPY
>
> Error Log details
>
> ICE193I 0 ICEAM1 INVOCATION ENVIRONMENT IN EFFECT - ICEAM1 ENVIRONMENT 
> SELECTED
> ICE252I 1 PARMLIB OPTIONS WERE MERGED WITH INSTALLATION MODULE DEFAULTS
> ICE088I 0 ITGB9059.STEP02 .SORT , INPUT LRECL = 317, BLKSIZE = 27896, TYPE =
> ICE093I 0 MAIN STORAGE = (MAX,33554432,33554432)
> ICE156I 0 MAIN STORAGE ABOVE 16MB = (33497072,33497072)
> ICE127I 0 OPTIONS: OVFLO=RC0 ,PAD=RC0 ,TRUNC=RC0 
> ,SPANINC=RC16,VLSCMP=N,SZERO=Y,
> ICE128I 0 OPTIONS: 
> SIZE=33554432,MAXLIM=1048576,MINLIM=450560,EQUALS=N,LIST=Y,ER
> ICE129I 0 OPTIONS: VIO=N,RESDNT=ALL ,SMF=FULL 
> ,WRKSEC=Y,OUTSEC=Y,VERIFY=N,CHALT=
> ICE130I 0 OPTIONS: RESALL=8192,RESINV=0,SVC=109 
> ,CHECK=Y,WRKREL=Y,OUTREL=Y,CKPT=
> ICE131I 0 OPTIONS: 
> TMAXLIM=33554432,ARESALL=0,ARESINV=0,OVERRGN=65536,CINV=Y,CFW
> ICE132I 0 OPTIONS: VLSHRT=N,ZDPRINT=Y,IEXIT=N,TEXIT=N,LISTX=N,EFS=NONE ,EXITC
> ICE133I 0 OPTIONS: HIPRMAX=0 ,DSPSIZE=2000,ODMAXBF=2097152,SOLRF=N,VLLONG=N
> ICE235I 0 OPTIONS: NULLOUT=RC0
> ICE236I 0 OPTIONS: DYNAPCT=10 ,MOWRK=Y,TUNE=STOR,EXPMAX=2000 ,EXPOLD=MAX ,E
> ICE084I 0 EXCP ACCESS METHOD USED FOR SORTIN
> ICE889I 0 CT=MAX , SB=3, L=0, D=, CCW=1MAM
> ICE902I 0 O I PP11
> ICE906I 1 ST=ABOVE,SR=33497072,RC=0
> ICE907I 1 ST=ABOVE,SA=33497056,NF=1,LF=33497056,SF=33497056
> ICE906I 1 ST=BELOW,SR=98320,RC=0
> ICE907I 1 ST=BELOW,SA=49152,NF=1,LF=49152,SF=49152
> ICE231I 0 STORAGE USED FOR OUTFIL : BELOW 16M = 20480, ABOVE 16M = 2119680
> ICE231I 0 STORAGE USED FOR OUTFIL : BELOW 16M = 20480, ABOVE 16M = 2119680
> ICE855I 0 SORTOUT : TX=N, R=J, L=J, B=D, BL=0, BR=0, DCT=37, VS=N, RU=X, SB=8
> ICE210I 0 SORTOUT : EXCP USED, LRECL = 317, BLKSIZE = 27896, TYPE = FB
> ICE751I 2 EF-I80638 CB-NONE F0-NONE DA-I76950
> ICE185A 0 AN SE37 ABEND WAS ISSUED BY DFSORT, ANOTHER PROGRAM OR AN EXIT 
> (PHASE
>
> Job Step work file details . Allocated SORTWK50 files
>
> XXSORTWK09 DD DISP=(NEW,DELETE,DELETE),SPACE=(CYL,())
> IEFC653I SUBSTITUTION JCL - DISP=(NEW,DELETE,DELETE),SPACE=(CYL,(200))
> XXSORTWK10 DD DISP=(NEW,DELETE,DELETE),SPACE=(CYL,())
> IEFC653I SUBSTITUTION JCL - DISP=(NEW,DELETE,DELETE),SPACE=(CYL,(200))
> XXSORTWK11 DD DISP=(NEW,DELETE,DELETE),SPACE=(CYL,())
> IEFC653I SUBSTITUTION JCL - DISP=(NEW,DELETE,DELETE),SPACE=(CYL,(200))
> XXSORTWK12 DD DISP=(NEW,DELETE,DELETE),SPACE=(CYL,())
> IEFC653I SUBSTITUTION JCL - DISP=(NEW,DELETE,DELETE),SPACE=(CYL,(200))
> XXSORTWK13 DD DISP=(NEW,DELETE,DELETE),SPACE=(CYL,())
> IEFC653I SUBSTITUTION JCL - DISP=(NEW,DELETE,DELETE),SPACE=(CYL,(200))
> XXSORTWK14 DD DISP=(NEW,DELETE,DELETE),SPACE=(CYL,())
> IEFC653I SUBSTITUTION JCL - DISP=(NEW,DELETE,DELETE),SPACE=(CYL,(200))
> XXSORTWK15 DD DISP=(NEW,DELETE,DELETE),SPACE=(CYL,())
> IEFC653I SUBSTITUTION JCL - DISP=(NEW,DELETE,DELETE),SPACE=(CYL,(200))
> XXSORTWK16 DD DISP=(NEW,DELETE,DELETE),SPACE=(CYL,())
> IEFC653I SUBSTITUTION JCL - DISP=(NEW,DELETE,DELETE),SPACE=(CYL,(200))
> XXSORTWK17 DD DISP=(NEW,DELETE,DELETE),SPACE=(CYL,())
> IEFC653I SUBSTITUTION JCL - DISP=(NEW,DELETE,DELETE),SPACE=(CYL,(200))
> XXSORTWK18 DD DISP=(NEW,DELETE,DELETE),SPACE=(CYL,())
> IEFC653I SUBSTITUTION JCL - DISP=(NEW,DELETE,DELETE),SPACE=(CYL,(200))
> XXSORTWK19 DD DISP=(NEW,DELETE,DELETE),SPACE=(CYL,())
> IEFC653I SUBSTITUTION JCL - DISP=(NEW,DELETE,DELETE),SPACE=(CYL,(200))
>
> //SORTOUT DD DSN=KGN01.PS.RPCFIL.AMT.ACTV.UNLD.FINAL1.HDR,
> // SPACE=(CYL,(1200,500),RLSE),VOL=(,,,99),
> // RECFM=FB,DSORG=PS,
> // DISP=(NEW,CATLG,DELETE),LRECL=317,BLKSIZE=0
> //SYSIN DD DSN=MK.PS.PROD.PARMLIB(PSJH06P),DISP=SHR
>
> Could someone please let us know what needs to be done here?
>
> Regards
> Ron T
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Re: Any recommendations for a 3270 emulator for Android

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I recently received an email advertisement for a product called “Virtel Web 
Access,the browser-based 3270 emulation technology to replace outdated TN3270 
terminal emulators(like PCOMM, Attachmate, Rocket/BlueZone and more), also can 
replace expensive VTAM session managers(like TPX, CL/SuperSession, Tubes, and 
more).”

I don’t have any experience with it.

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Sun, Sep 24, 2023 at 7:26 PM, Charles Mills < wrote:

> Anyone have personal recommendations for a 3270 emulator for Android phones 
> and/or tablets?
>
> Android, NOT Windows -- you would have to pry Vista out of my cold, dead 
> fingers.
>
> I certainly don't intend to do heads-down coding on my phone. This is just so 
> I could respond to a client emergency without having to lug my laptop around.
>
> Thanks!
> Charles
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Re: Error messages (a rant and an idea)

[Bob T Roller]

The university of Alabama is a public university and receives both state & 
federal funding.

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On Mon, Sep 18, 2023 at 3:19 PM, Phil Smith III <[li...@akphs.com](mailto:On 
Mon, Sep 18, 2023 at 3:19 PM, Phil Smith III < wrote:

> While I agree that it would be nice if the messages were complete, I'm not 
> sure I can see a business case for IBM to implement that. It would cost a 
> lot, consume the last two or three remaining docs folks well past their 
> retirement age, and.for what? Will it increase z/OS uptake? I doubt it.
>
> Me, I'd settle for the hex codes having good and centralized explanations. 
> Though I realize that way could lie madness, as it could encourage 
> laziness-adding new messages as just another such code rather than thinking 
> about it and giving a "real" error message.
>
> I and others have observed that when creating good software, error handling 
> can be the largest part of the job. In complex environments, there are often 
> many, many errors that *should* never appear. Bad software ignores those 
> errors, figuring it'll show up somewhere else (as it often does, to the 
> user's complete confusion); or falls back on a catch-all, like Microsoft's 
> "That didn't work", with no additional info and no idea what to do about it.
>
> One school would have every such error try to be complete and distinct, so 
> that errors 4832 and 4833 might be similar but are definitely differentiated. 
> But then if you're documenting the errors, your manual/database may be 75% 
> such errors-for all of which the suggested action is "Contact support", since 
> it's basically "We have no idea what you did to even cause this?!"
>
> For such errors, I'd argue that a single error *with a distinct subcode* is 
> more useful: "Internal error 1234; contact support". That takes one entry in 
> the Messages & Codes, and since there is no real additional useful 
> information to record, it's no less helpful to the user. I suspect that's 
> where the USS hex error codes came from originally, though I sure don't know.
>
> When this is the approach, it's probably important to have a goal-and perhaps 
> a policy-of paying attention to occurrences of such errors, and making them 
> more "real" if appropriate. Maybe that sounds obvious, but it's really 
> self-defense as much as anything: if "Internal error 1234" means "You need to 
> enable the Florblatz option and try again", you change that case of the error 
> to say just that, thus eliminating (some of!) the support calls.
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Re: AI will surpass human intelligence!

[Bob T Roller]

Johnson is correct.

To U.S. Jews, being Jewish is not just about religion

There is no one way that American Jews think about being Jewish, as the survey 
makes clear. When asked whether being Jewish is mainly a matter of religion, 
ancestry or culture, some Jewish respondents pick each of those things, and 
many choose some combination of them. In fact, among the most common answers – 
expressed by about one-in-five U.S. Jews (19%) – is that being Jewish is about 
religion, ancestry and culture.

Similar shares say being Jewish is mainly a matter of just culture (22%) or 
just ancestry (21%). About half as many (11%) say being Jewish is mainly about 
religion alone. The remainder give other responses, such as that being Jewish 
is about both ancestry and culture (10%).

From Pew research.

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/05/11/jewish-identity-and-belief/

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On Sat, Sep 16, 2023 at 1:09 AM, g...@gabegold.com 
<[g...@gabegold.com](mailto:On Sat, Sep 16, 2023 at 1:09 AM, g...@gabegold.com 
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> You could also incorrectly "tell" that I didn't have a college degree.
>
> You have a talent for gratuitous insults and an obsession with starting and 
> then arguing about wild digressions from whatever was the topic at hand.
>
> AI to assembler language to system programming demographics is quite the 
> meander; each of those would have been worth separate discussions, but not in 
> the unpleasant way you bring them up and then harangue anyone who disagrees 
> with you.
>
> A basic question is why, since you disdain everyone here and disagree with 
> most of what people say, you're still here. You're not changing minds, not 
> making friends, not providing useful information, and not contributing 
> anything. You're excellent at trolling though, which seems to be your sad 
> reason for being. So you're entertaining, in a ghastly sort of way.
>
> On Fri, 15 Sep 2023 18:33:25 +, Bill Johnson  wrote:
>
>>Are you that naive? Ever been to Share? The current makeup of mainframe 
>>systems programmers is 65% white, 15% Asian, 9% Hispanic & 5% African 
>>American. Factoring in most of the heavy posters are over 50, the 
>>demographics are even more white since almost all systems programmers who got 
>>into IT in the 50’s through the 70’s were almost exclusively white. Guess 
>>what? I can also tell which people are Jewish, Asian, Hispanic, Scandinavian, 
>>Irish, and most other ethnicities. That’s not nearly as easy but it’s not as 
>>difficult as you’d think. I’d bet Oujeski isn’t a black guy. My Father in 
>>Law’s name was Majewski.
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Re: AI expert hot new position.

[Bob T Roller]

Just go to the CNBC home page. It’s now the third story.

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> It’s from CNBC. It’s the lead story. I also checked the link after I got the 
> email.
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> On Sun, Sep 10, 2023 at 3:58 PM, Paul Gilmartin 
> <[042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu](mailto:On Sun, Sep 10, 2023 
> at 3:58 PM, Paul Gilmartin < wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 17:23:10 +, Bob T Roller wrote:
>>
>>>AI will pay handsomely.
>>>
>>>AI expert is a hot new position in the freelance jobs market
>>>https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/10/ai-expert-is-a-hot-new-position-in-the-freelance-jobs-market.html?__source=iosappshare%7Ccom.apple.UIKit.activity.CopyToPasteboard
>>>
>> That URL looked funny to me, so I asked on an Apple-centric forum and got:
>>
>>> The rest of the URL is critical. It means your copy/paste buffer is being 
>>> sent over the internet. It could be benign, like a text to voice app, a 
>>> grammar checker, a scanner program. Or, it could be what the last security 
>>> update was all about.
>>>
>>> You need to find out if the network location can be trusted, so look at the 
>>> first part of the URL.
>>
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Re: AI expert hot new position.

[Bob T Roller]

It’s from CNBC. It’s the lead story. I also checked the link after I got the 
email.

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at 3:58 PM, Paul Gilmartin < wrote:

> On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 17:23:10 +0000, Bob T Roller wrote:
>
>>AI will pay handsomely.
>>
>>AI expert is a hot new position in the freelance jobs market
>>https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/10/ai-expert-is-a-hot-new-position-in-the-freelance-jobs-market.html?__source=iosappshare%7Ccom.apple.UIKit.activity.CopyToPasteboard
>>
> That URL looked funny to me, so I asked on an Apple-centric forum and got:
>
>> The rest of the URL is critical. It means your copy/paste buffer is being 
>> sent over the internet. It could be benign, like a text to voice app, a 
>> grammar checker, a scanner program. Or, it could be what the last security 
>> update was all about.
>>
>> You need to find out if the network location can be trusted, so look at the 
>> first part of the URL.
>
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AI expert hot new position.

[Bob T Roller]

AI will pay handsomely.

AI expert is a hot new position in the freelance jobs market
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/10/ai-expert-is-a-hot-new-position-in-the-freelance-jobs-market.html?__source=iosappshare%7Ccom.apple.UIKit.activity.CopyToPasteboard

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Re: The mainframe is now DOWN

[Bob T Roller]

Kudos to being able to run a mainframe & zOS release long past its expected 
lifespan.

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McKown < wrote:

> I just shutdown HealthMarkets z9BC running z/OS1.12 for the final time. We
> are going to allow our Production Control person to power it off. Then
> lunch. 蠟蠟
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Re: COBOL question

[Bob T Roller]

Region card big enough? I’ve seen that abend via not enough memory.

Bob

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On Sat, Apr 8, 2023 at 8:17 PM, Charles Hardee  wrote:

> I have not seen this exactly like what you describe, but I do have some
> thoughts.
> The pointer you are using for the ALLOCATE, does it have a value clause,
> specifically VALUE NULL.
> If not, the pointer could have an unknown value that does not compare equal
> to NULL so you would attempt to FREE it.
>
> On Sat, Apr 8, 2023 at 6:05 PM Cameron Conacher  wrote:
>
>> Hello folks
>> I have written an IMS COBOL program. I have included a couple of ALLOCATE
>> statements.
>> At the end of processing I check my pointers and if they are not NULL I
>> try to FREE. This results in a U4038 abend. At least inside Expediter.
>> I have not used ALLOCATE/FREE before.
>> I am thinking it may be related to Expediter somehow.
>> I mean FREE is pretty darned straight forward.
>> At the moment I have commented out the statements. Memory should be freed
>> at the end of processing anyway, but good housekeeping is well good.
>> Has anyone seen this before?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
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Re: IBM sues Micro Focus, claims it copied mainframe software • The Register

[Bob T Roller]

Explains a recent MicroFocus hire who used to work at IBM & was a CICS expert 
there.

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On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 7:46 PM, Bill Johnson 
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> Reverse engineering to get the source code is illegal.
>
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> On Tuesday, November 22, 2022, 11:23 AM, Joe Monk  wrote:
>
> Not sure that this is a winnable lawsuit though.
>
> The architecture of a file (and the data therein) that is only needed to
> run a product is not copyright protected. So copying the WSBIND
> file doesnt necessarily amount to a copyright violation.
>
> Joe
>
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 10:10 AM Bob T Roller <
> 044ef325f6c3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>
>> Not surprised. They lost their preferred vendor status with IBM a year or
>> so ago. Because of their tie up with Amazon.
>>
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>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 9:25 AM, Mark Regan  wrote:
>>
>> > https://www.theregister.com/2022/11/22/ibm_sues_micro_focus_for
>> >
>> > ​Regards,
>> >
>> > Mark Regan, K8MTR General, EN80tg
>> > CTO1 USNR-Retired (1969-1991),
>> >
>> > RUENAAA/CNO WASHINGTON DC//OP-009QCP
>> >
>> > Nationwide Insurance, Retired, 1986-2017
>> > z/OS Network Software Consultant (z NetView, z/OS Communications Server)
>> > Contractor, Checks & Balances, Inc.
>> > Email: marktre...@gmail.com <mailto:marktre...@gmail.com>
>> > LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-t-regan
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Re: IBM sues Micro Focus, claims it copied mainframe software • The Register

[Bob T Roller]

Not surprised. They lost their preferred vendor status with IBM a year or so 
ago. Because of their tie up with Amazon.

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> https://www.theregister.com/2022/11/22/ibm_sues_micro_focus_for
>
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>
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Re: Assembler courses

[Bob T Roller]

I learned PL/I, WATFIV, FORTRAN, GPSS, assembler, and a few other languages in 
college. Never used any of them. COBOL was an elective, which I took, and used 
extensively for 25 years. One professor, when asked what JCL was by a fellow 
student, said it’s unimportant and will be irrelevant. JCL was probably the 
most important & used “language” of my career. Which I learned via the EDS OPD 
program.

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On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 3:29 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 
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> My experience was the opposite of yours over a few more years (50). I learned 
> assembler early via OJT at one of my first permanent jobs, and got to use it 
> more and more as I moved to other employers. Knowing assembler got me in the 
> door at more than one of those employers.
>
> It was the FORTRAN I learned in engineering college that I never used 
> anywhere else.
>
> Peter
>
> -Original Message-
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> Bob T Roller
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> Subject: Re: Assembler courses
>
> Learning assembler is like taking latin in high school. It might help you on 
> Jeopardy but will not be of much help in real life. I took assembler in 
> college & never used it and never worked at an employer that used it. That’s 
> a dozen+ employers over 45 years.
>
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> On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 10:11 PM, Gary Weinhold  wrote:
>
>> To help a person who has COBOL and C language experience learn to write 
>> assembler, I would like them to learn from the start both reentrant and 
>> baseless coding techniques. Is there training available that assumes the 
>> instruction set available on the z12 is the starting point and that teaches 
>> reentrancy as the norm?
>>
>> (Cross-posted to IBM-Main and Assembler-list)
>>
>> Gary Weinhold
>> Senior Application Architect
>> DATAKINETICS | Data Performance & Optimization
>> Phone:+1.613.523.5500 x216
>> Email: weinh...@dkl.com
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Re: Assembler courses

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Learning assembler is like taking latin in high school. It might help you on 
Jeopardy but will not be of much help in real life. I took assembler in college 
& never used it and never worked at an employer that used it. That’s a dozen+ 
employers over 45 years.

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> To help a person who has COBOL and C language experience learn to write 
> assembler, I would like them to learn from the start both reentrant and 
> baseless coding techniques. Is there training available that assumes the 
> instruction set available on the z12 is the starting point and that teaches 
> reentrancy as the norm?
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Micro Focus bought by Open Text.

[Bob T Roller]

Yesterday, Micro Focus was taken out by a company named Open Text. Micro Focus 
was a poorly run company.

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