Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF
Exactly. It is probably the syntax BUILDIX OSVTOC PURGE that caused consternation because it could be read as going to purge the OSVTOC, but its all under the BUILDIX command so it means change the volume access to VTOC only and PURGE the IXVTOC which would be necessary if the IX is corrupted at the VSAM level. Will be needed to increase the size of the IX. It may all be a red herring, though, because I have not seen a complete analysis of what the LSPACE return code means. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Wednesday, 4 January 2023 1:03 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF CVOL is a red herring; it's the catalog before VSAM. Naively I would say BUILDIX OSVTOC BUILDIX IXVTOC or BUILDIX OSVTOC PURGE BUILDIX IXVTOC is all you need. There was some language in the manual that I thought raised concern for a corrupted index, but I believ that I misread it. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Steve Beaver [st...@stevebeaver.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2023 3:05 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF What I have is a couple VOLUMES that are getting LSPACE errors Basically all the VOLUMES have indexed VTOCS that need to be Converted to a CVOL and returned to a indexed VTOC That the easy part. The painful part is I will have to the RO *ALL,UCB Offline Run the job RO *ALL,UCB Online Before anyon is the wiser This electronic mail (including any attachments) may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and/or otherwise protected from disclosure to anyone other than its intended recipient(s). Any dissemination or use of this electronic email or its contents (including any attachments) by persons other than the intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by reply email so that we may correct our internal records. Please then delete the original message (including any attachments) in its entirety. Thank you -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Pommier, Rex Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2023 1:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF The PURGE parameter deletes the VTOCIX dataset so using the BUILDIX will build a new one and not reuse the old, corrupt dataset. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 1:53 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF That will work fine if the existing IXVTOC is good, but what if it is corrupted? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense .com%2Fv3%2F__http%3A%2F%2Fmason.gmu.edu%2F*smetz3__%3Bfg!!KjMRP1Ixj6eLE a=05%7C01%7Csmetz3%40gmu.edu%7C022856443ed44c6a932b08daedc5f76d%7C9e857255df 574c47a0c00546460380cb%7C0%7C0%7C638083731810428095%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8 eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C %7C%7C=taBed%2FRNsHzcdDEgemhUrGhAQ8gDelTsibUVXHs6UU8%3D=0 0Fj!rQsxPmTo-3kSqLu15go6sNEUX8nn6PcuIZao7aZKuZ2xEN9BCZkpYpOn1HKVI96FWQXJ_-p4 F3GGnpKkUQ$ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Pommier, Rex [rpomm...@sfgmembers.com] Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 2:34 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF Steve, I'm not sure if a CVOL is the same as a non-indexed VTOC (I didn't think so) but to remove the IXVTOC, use ICKDSF BUILDIX OSVTOC PURGE which will unindex the VTOC and delete the VTOC index. Then run an ICKDSF BUILDIX INDXVTOC to rebuild a new one. If you have access to the ICKDSF manual, it's under the BUILDIX section of the manual. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Steve Beaver Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 1:26 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF I worked in a stop the got sever LSPACE errors. Can anyone tell me the command to Convert a indexed vtoc to a CVOL and back to a INDEXED Regards, Steve -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- The information contained in this message is confidential, protected from disclosure and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you
Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF
There was some language in the manual that worried me for the case of a corrupted index, but I believe that I misread it. Presumably BUILDIX OSVTOC sets the DIRF bit? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Pommier, Rex [rpomm...@sfgmembers.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2023 2:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF The PURGE parameter deletes the VTOCIX dataset so using the BUILDIX will build a new one and not reuse the old, corrupt dataset. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 1:53 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF That will work fine if the existing IXVTOC is good, but what if it is corrupted? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.com%2Fv3%2F__http%3A%2F%2Fmason.gmu.edu%2F*smetz3__%3Bfg!!KjMRP1Ixj6eLE0Fj!rQsxPmTo-3kSqLu15go6sNEUX8nn6PcuIZao7aZKuZ2xEN9BCZkpYpOn1HKVI96FWQXJ_-p4F3GGnpKkUQ%24=05%7C01%7Csmetz3%40gmu.edu%7C485273e55b60479e5ce008daedc4530d%7C9e857255df574c47a0c00546460380cb%7C0%7C0%7C638083724751061963%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=qR9LN2RIRJomNDbei%2BfV4P%2BLA7cVsbpLyWPls4olaXc%3D=0 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Pommier, Rex [rpomm...@sfgmembers.com] Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 2:34 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF Steve, I'm not sure if a CVOL is the same as a non-indexed VTOC (I didn't think so) but to remove the IXVTOC, use ICKDSF BUILDIX OSVTOC PURGE which will unindex the VTOC and delete the VTOC index. Then run an ICKDSF BUILDIX INDXVTOC to rebuild a new one. If you have access to the ICKDSF manual, it's under the BUILDIX section of the manual. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Steve Beaver Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 1:26 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF I worked in a stop the got sever LSPACE errors. Can anyone tell me the command to Convert a indexed vtoc to a CVOL and back to a INDEXED Regards, Steve -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- The information contained in this message is confidential, protected from disclosure and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, distribution, copying, or any action taken or action omitted in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- The information contained in this message is confidential, protected from disclosure and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, distribution, copying, or any action taken or action omitted in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF
CVOL is a red herring; it's the catalog before VSAM. Naively I would say BUILDIX OSVTOC BUILDIX IXVTOC or BUILDIX OSVTOC PURGE BUILDIX IXVTOC is all you need. There was some language in the manual that I thought raised concern for a corrupted index, but I believ that I misread it. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Steve Beaver [st...@stevebeaver.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2023 3:05 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF What I have is a couple VOLUMES that are getting LSPACE errors Basically all the VOLUMES have indexed VTOCS that need to be Converted to a CVOL and returned to a indexed VTOC That the easy part. The painful part is I will have to the RO *ALL,UCB Offline Run the job RO *ALL,UCB Online Before anyon is the wiser This electronic mail (including any attachments) may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and/or otherwise protected from disclosure to anyone other than its intended recipient(s). Any dissemination or use of this electronic email or its contents (including any attachments) by persons other than the intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by reply email so that we may correct our internal records. Please then delete the original message (including any attachments) in its entirety. Thank you -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Pommier, Rex Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2023 1:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF The PURGE parameter deletes the VTOCIX dataset so using the BUILDIX will build a new one and not reuse the old, corrupt dataset. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 1:53 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF That will work fine if the existing IXVTOC is good, but what if it is corrupted? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.com%2Fv3%2F__http%3A%2F%2Fmason.gmu.edu%2F*smetz3__%3Bfg!!KjMRP1Ixj6eLE=05%7C01%7Csmetz3%40gmu.edu%7C022856443ed44c6a932b08daedc5f76d%7C9e857255df574c47a0c00546460380cb%7C0%7C0%7C638083731810428095%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=taBed%2FRNsHzcdDEgemhUrGhAQ8gDelTsibUVXHs6UU8%3D=0 0Fj!rQsxPmTo-3kSqLu15go6sNEUX8nn6PcuIZao7aZKuZ2xEN9BCZkpYpOn1HKVI96FWQXJ_-p4 F3GGnpKkUQ$ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Pommier, Rex [rpomm...@sfgmembers.com] Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 2:34 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF Steve, I'm not sure if a CVOL is the same as a non-indexed VTOC (I didn't think so) but to remove the IXVTOC, use ICKDSF BUILDIX OSVTOC PURGE which will unindex the VTOC and delete the VTOC index. Then run an ICKDSF BUILDIX INDXVTOC to rebuild a new one. If you have access to the ICKDSF manual, it's under the BUILDIX section of the manual. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Steve Beaver Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 1:26 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF I worked in a stop the got sever LSPACE errors. Can anyone tell me the command to Convert a indexed vtoc to a CVOL and back to a INDEXED Regards, Steve -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- The information contained in this message is confidential, protected from disclosure and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, distribution, copying, or any action taken or action omitted in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff
Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF
The Control Volume (CVOL) came in with OS/360 and precedes VSAM. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Pommier, Rex [rpomm...@sfgmembers.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2023 3:16 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF Steve, Don't you simply mean converting the IXVTOC to an OSVTOC - ie an unindexed VTOC? If my old memory cells are recalling correctly, a CVOL was an ancient version of a VSAM catalog from before the ICF catalogs existed. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Steve Beaver Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2023 2:06 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF What I have is a couple VOLUMES that are getting LSPACE errors Basically all the VOLUMES have indexed VTOCS that need to be Converted to a CVOL and returned to a indexed VTOC That the easy part. The painful part is I will have to the RO *ALL,UCB Offline Run the job RO *ALL,UCB Online Before anyon is the wiser This electronic mail (including any attachments) may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and/or otherwise protected from disclosure to anyone other than its intended recipient(s). Any dissemination or use of this electronic email or its contents (including any attachments) by persons other than the intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by reply email so that we may correct our internal records. Please then delete the original message (including any attachments) in its entirety. Thank you -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Pommier, Rex Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2023 1:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF The PURGE parameter deletes the VTOCIX dataset so using the BUILDIX will build a new one and not reuse the old, corrupt dataset. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 1:53 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF That will work fine if the existing IXVTOC is good, but what if it is corrupted? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.com%2Fv3%2F__http%3A%2F%2Fmason.gmu.edu%2F*smetz3__%3Bfg!!KjMRP1Ixj6eLE=05%7C01%7Csmetz3%40gmu.edu%7C457c9c17d07c49e494e408daedc76a2c%7C9e857255df574c47a0c00546460380cb%7C0%7C0%7C638083738014691293%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=ja61usahhRThKi3iu6BdlZbUvW3lrmZH2QvqCNxLKUI%3D=0 0Fj!rQsxPmTo-3kSqLu15go6sNEUX8nn6PcuIZao7aZKuZ2xEN9BCZkpYpOn1HKVI96FWQXJ_-p4 F3GGnpKkUQ$ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Pommier, Rex [rpomm...@sfgmembers.com] Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 2:34 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF Steve, I'm not sure if a CVOL is the same as a non-indexed VTOC (I didn't think so) but to remove the IXVTOC, use ICKDSF BUILDIX OSVTOC PURGE which will unindex the VTOC and delete the VTOC index. Then run an ICKDSF BUILDIX INDXVTOC to rebuild a new one. If you have access to the ICKDSF manual, it's under the BUILDIX section of the manual. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Steve Beaver Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 1:26 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF I worked in a stop the got sever LSPACE errors. Can anyone tell me the command to Convert a indexed vtoc to a CVOL and back to a INDEXED Regards, Steve -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- The information contained in this message is confidential, protected from disclosure and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, distribution, copying, or any action taken or action omitted in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff
Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF
I think it clear that Steve always meant OSVTOC and not CVOL. What I am not sure I agree with is the assertion that using ISKDSF to turn off the index and then turn it back on does not delete and rebuild the index? > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Pommier, Rex > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2023 3:05 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF > > Hi Tony, > > I never had to deal with CVOLs or for that matter, VSAM catalogs. I cut my > teeth in the early XA days when ICF catalogs were still green. That said, I'm > trying to figure out what Steve means when he says he needs to convert the > indexed VTOC into a CVOL. As you concurred, the VTOC has nothing to do > with a CVOL (or VSAM catalog or ICF catalog). > > Steve is getting errors trying to use LSPACE. IDK if he posted the return > codes or errors he is receiving. If the LSPACE errors are related to the VTOC > index, I would think he should be able to run an ICKDSF BUILDIX OSVTOC > PURGE to (like Anthony alluded to), to shut off the VTOC index and the > PURGE is supposed to actually delete the VTOCIX dataset. Then running a > BUILDIX IXVTOC should put a new, pristine VTOC index back on the volume. > If he's getting an LSPACE on the actual VTOC, that's another matter. > > Rex > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Tony Harminc > Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2023 3:55 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF > > On Tue, 3 Jan 2023 at 15:16, Pommier, Rex > wrote: > > > Steve, > > > > Don't you simply mean converting the IXVTOC to an OSVTOC - ie an > > unindexed VTOC? If my old memory cells are recalling correctly, a > > CVOL was an ancient version of a VSAM catalog from before the ICF > catalogs existed. > > > > CVOL is a non-VSAM catalog (that is, it is not itself a VSAM dataset, and it > cannot point to VSAM datasets). It was the only kind of catalog prior to > OS/VS back in the 1970s, and it continued in common use well into the 1990s. > Perhaps more strictly, it is the *volume* that contains such a catalogue that > is > the CVOL (Control Volume). The catalog is a CVOL Catalog. > > That ancient *VSAM* catalog was the only kind of VSAM catalog in the early > days, and was a design disaster for a bunch of reasons. It was replaced long > ago by the ICF (Integrated Catalog Facility?) catalog, which with some tweaks > is pretty much what we have today. > > Regardless, these various catalogs have nothing at all to do with VTOCs, > indexed or not. > > Tony H. > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > > Behalf Of Steve Beaver > > Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2023 2:06 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF > > > > What I have is a couple VOLUMES that are getting LSPACE errors > > > > Basically all the VOLUMES have indexed VTOCS that need to be Converted > > to a CVOL and returned to a indexed VTOC > > > > That the easy part. The painful part is I will have to the RO > > *ALL,UCB Offline > > > > Run the job > > > > RO *ALL,UCB Online > > > > Before anyon is the wiser > > > > > > > > -- > > -- > > > > > > This electronic mail (including any attachments) may contain > > information that is privileged, confidential, and/or otherwise > > protected from disclosure to anyone other than its intended > > recipient(s). Any dissemination or use of this electronic email or its > > contents (including any attachments) by persons other than the > > intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received > > this message in error, please notify us immediately by reply email so > > that we may correct our internal records. Please then delete the > > original message (including any > > attachments) in its entirety. Thank you > > > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM- > m...@listserv.ua.edu] > > On Behalf Of Pommier, Rex > > Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2023 1:54 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF > > > > The PURGE parameter deletes the VTOCIX dataset so using the BUILDIX > > will build a new one and not reuse the old, corrupt dataset. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > > Behalf Of Seymour J Metz > > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 1:
Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF
Hi Tony, I never had to deal with CVOLs or for that matter, VSAM catalogs. I cut my teeth in the early XA days when ICF catalogs were still green. That said, I'm trying to figure out what Steve means when he says he needs to convert the indexed VTOC into a CVOL. As you concurred, the VTOC has nothing to do with a CVOL (or VSAM catalog or ICF catalog). Steve is getting errors trying to use LSPACE. IDK if he posted the return codes or errors he is receiving. If the LSPACE errors are related to the VTOC index, I would think he should be able to run an ICKDSF BUILDIX OSVTOC PURGE to (like Anthony alluded to), to shut off the VTOC index and the PURGE is supposed to actually delete the VTOCIX dataset. Then running a BUILDIX IXVTOC should put a new, pristine VTOC index back on the volume. If he's getting an LSPACE on the actual VTOC, that's another matter. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Tony Harminc Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2023 3:55 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF On Tue, 3 Jan 2023 at 15:16, Pommier, Rex wrote: > Steve, > > Don't you simply mean converting the IXVTOC to an OSVTOC - ie an > unindexed VTOC? If my old memory cells are recalling correctly, a > CVOL was an ancient version of a VSAM catalog from before the ICF catalogs > existed. > CVOL is a non-VSAM catalog (that is, it is not itself a VSAM dataset, and it cannot point to VSAM datasets). It was the only kind of catalog prior to OS/VS back in the 1970s, and it continued in common use well into the 1990s. Perhaps more strictly, it is the *volume* that contains such a catalogue that is the CVOL (Control Volume). The catalog is a CVOL Catalog. That ancient *VSAM* catalog was the only kind of VSAM catalog in the early days, and was a design disaster for a bunch of reasons. It was replaced long ago by the ICF (Integrated Catalog Facility?) catalog, which with some tweaks is pretty much what we have today. Regardless, these various catalogs have nothing at all to do with VTOCs, indexed or not. Tony H. -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Steve Beaver > Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2023 2:06 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF > > What I have is a couple VOLUMES that are getting LSPACE errors > > Basically all the VOLUMES have indexed VTOCS that need to be Converted > to a CVOL and returned to a indexed VTOC > > That the easy part. The painful part is I will have to the RO > *ALL,UCB Offline > > Run the job > > RO *ALL,UCB Online > > Before anyon is the wiser > > > > -- > -- > > > This electronic mail (including any attachments) may contain > information that is privileged, confidential, and/or otherwise > protected from disclosure to anyone other than its intended > recipient(s). Any dissemination or use of this electronic email or its > contents (including any attachments) by persons other than the > intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received > this message in error, please notify us immediately by reply email so > that we may correct our internal records. Please then delete the > original message (including any > attachments) in its entirety. Thank you > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > On Behalf Of Pommier, Rex > Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2023 1:54 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF > > The PURGE parameter deletes the VTOCIX dataset so using the BUILDIX > will build a new one and not reuse the old, corrupt dataset. > > -Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Seymour J Metz > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 1:53 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF > > That will work fine if the existing IXVTOC is good, but what if it is > corrupted? > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://mason.gmu.edu/*smetz3__;fg!!KjMRP1I > xj6eLE > 0Fj > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://mason.gmu.edu/*smetz3__;fg!!KjMRP1 > Ixj6eLE0Fj> > !rQsxPmTo-3kSqLu15go6sNEUX8nn6PcuIZao7aZKuZ2xEN9BCZkpYpOn1HKVI96FWQXJ_ > -p4 > F3GGnpKkUQ$ > > ____ > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on > behalf of Pommier, Rex [rpomm...@sfgmembers.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 2:34 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF > > Steve, > > I'm not sure if a CVOL is the same as a non-indexed VTOC (I didn't > think > so) but to
Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF
This discussion must have been going round the worlds largest roundabout. DASD volumes always have VTOCs. In the VTOC is a flag field and the name of an index (if it has been created) to the Vtoc. The ICKDSF BUILDIX command turns the flag that says the volume has an indexed vtoc on and off. If it is off, as set by the OSVTOC option just turns that flag off and miraculously a VTOC gets created! Of course it was not created, it always was there. To make a bigger or uncorrupted IXVTOC get rid of the old one after telling the system that there is no IXVTOC, then build a new one. If you ever turn the IXVTOC flag off you must use DSF to tell the system rebuild the IXVTOC when you turn the flag on again. Bottom line: The VTOC is always there. Converting to OSVTOC just drops use of the IXVTOC, does not MAKE a new VTOC. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Tony Harminc Sent: Wednesday, 4 January 2023 10:55 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF On Tue, 3 Jan 2023 at 15:16, Pommier, Rex wrote: > Steve, > > Don't you simply mean converting the IXVTOC to an OSVTOC - ie an > unindexed VTOC? If my old memory cells are recalling correctly, a > CVOL was an ancient version of a VSAM catalog from before the ICF catalogs > existed. > CVOL is a non-VSAM catalog (that is, it is not itself a VSAM dataset, and it cannot point to VSAM datasets). It was the only kind of catalog prior to OS/VS back in the 1970s, and it continued in common use well into the 1990s. Perhaps more strictly, it is the *volume* that contains such a catalogue that is the CVOL (Control Volume). The catalog is a CVOL Catalog. That ancient *VSAM* catalog was the only kind of VSAM catalog in the early days, and was a design disaster for a bunch of reasons. It was replaced long ago by the ICF (Integrated Catalog Facility?) catalog, which with some tweaks is pretty much what we have today. Regardless, these various catalogs have nothing at all to do with VTOCs, indexed or not. Tony H. -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Steve Beaver > Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2023 2:06 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF > > What I have is a couple VOLUMES that are getting LSPACE errors > > Basically all the VOLUMES have indexed VTOCS that need to be Converted > to a CVOL and returned to a indexed VTOC > > That the easy part. The painful part is I will have to the RO > *ALL,UCB Offline > > Run the job > > RO *ALL,UCB Online > > Before anyon is the wiser > > > > -- > -- > > > This electronic mail (including any attachments) may contain > information that is privileged, confidential, and/or otherwise > protected from disclosure to anyone other than its intended > recipient(s). Any dissemination or use of this electronic email or its > contents (including any attachments) by persons other than the > intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received > this message in error, please notify us immediately by reply email so > that we may correct our internal records. Please then delete the > original message (including any > attachments) in its entirety. Thank you > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > On Behalf Of Pommier, Rex > Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2023 1:54 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF > > The PURGE parameter deletes the VTOCIX dataset so using the BUILDIX > will build a new one and not reuse the old, corrupt dataset. > > -Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Seymour J Metz > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 1:53 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF > > That will work fine if the existing IXVTOC is good, but what if it is > corrupted? > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://mason.gmu.edu/*smetz3__;fg!!KjMRP1I > xj6eLE > 0Fj > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://mason.gmu.edu/*smetz3__;fg!!KjMRP1 > Ixj6eLE0Fj> > !rQsxPmTo-3kSqLu15go6sNEUX8nn6PcuIZao7aZKuZ2xEN9BCZkpYpOn1HKVI96FWQXJ_ > -p4 > F3GGnpKkUQ$ > > ____ > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on > behalf of Pommier, Rex [rpomm...@sfgmembers.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 2:34 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF > > Steve, > > I'm not sure if a CVOL is the same as a non-indexed VTOC (I didn't > think > so) but to remove the IXVTOC, use ICKDSF BUILDIX OSVTOC PURGE w
Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF
On Tue, 3 Jan 2023 at 15:16, Pommier, Rex wrote: > Steve, > > Don't you simply mean converting the IXVTOC to an OSVTOC - ie an unindexed > VTOC? If my old memory cells are recalling correctly, a CVOL was an > ancient version of a VSAM catalog from before the ICF catalogs existed. > CVOL is a non-VSAM catalog (that is, it is not itself a VSAM dataset, and it cannot point to VSAM datasets). It was the only kind of catalog prior to OS/VS back in the 1970s, and it continued in common use well into the 1990s. Perhaps more strictly, it is the *volume* that contains such a catalogue that is the CVOL (Control Volume). The catalog is a CVOL Catalog. That ancient *VSAM* catalog was the only kind of VSAM catalog in the early days, and was a design disaster for a bunch of reasons. It was replaced long ago by the ICF (Integrated Catalog Facility?) catalog, which with some tweaks is pretty much what we have today. Regardless, these various catalogs have nothing at all to do with VTOCs, indexed or not. Tony H. -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of Steve Beaver > Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2023 2:06 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF > > What I have is a couple VOLUMES that are getting LSPACE errors > > Basically all the VOLUMES have indexed VTOCS that need to be Converted to > a CVOL and returned to a indexed VTOC > > That the easy part. The painful part is I will have to the RO *ALL,UCB > Offline > > Run the job > > RO *ALL,UCB Online > > Before anyon is the wiser > > > > > > > This electronic mail (including any attachments) may contain information > that is privileged, confidential, and/or otherwise protected from > disclosure to anyone other than its intended recipient(s). Any > dissemination or use of this electronic email or its contents (including > any attachments) by persons other than the intended recipient(s) is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please > notify us immediately by reply email so that we may correct our internal > records. Please then delete the original message (including any > attachments) in its entirety. Thank you > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Pommier, Rex > Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2023 1:54 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF > > The PURGE parameter deletes the VTOCIX dataset so using the BUILDIX will > build a new one and not reuse the old, corrupt dataset. > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of Seymour J Metz > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 1:53 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF > > That will work fine if the existing IXVTOC is good, but what if it is > corrupted? > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://mason.gmu.edu/*smetz3__;fg!!KjMRP1Ixj6eLE > 0Fj > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://mason.gmu.edu/*smetz3__;fg!!KjMRP1Ixj6eLE0Fj> > !rQsxPmTo-3kSqLu15go6sNEUX8nn6PcuIZao7aZKuZ2xEN9BCZkpYpOn1HKVI96FWQXJ_-p4 > F3GGnpKkUQ$ > > ____ > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf > of Pommier, Rex [rpomm...@sfgmembers.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 2:34 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF > > Steve, > > I'm not sure if a CVOL is the same as a non-indexed VTOC (I didn't think > so) but to remove the IXVTOC, use ICKDSF BUILDIX OSVTOC PURGE which will > unindex the VTOC and delete the VTOC index. Then run an ICKDSF BUILDIX > INDXVTOC to rebuild a new one. > > If you have access to the ICKDSF manual, it's under the BUILDIX section of > the manual. > > Rex > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of Steve Beaver > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 1:26 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF > > I worked in a stop the got sever LSPACE errors. > > > > Can anyone tell me the command to Convert a indexed vtoc to a CVOL and > back to a INDEXED > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Steve > > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email > to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > The information contained in this message is confidential, protected
Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF
Carmen, You're good. It sure looks like I was actually responding to a note Steve had sent. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Carmen Vitullo Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2023 2:18 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF I'm not Steve, but yes, I spoke incorrectly also Carmen On 1/3/2023 2:16 PM, Pommier, Rex wrote: > Steve, > > Don't you simply mean converting the IXVTOC to an OSVTOC - ie an unindexed > VTOC? If my old memory cells are recalling correctly, a CVOL was an ancient > version of a VSAM catalog from before the ICF catalogs existed. > > Rex > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Steve Beaver > Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2023 2:06 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF > > What I have is a couple VOLUMES that are getting LSPACE errors > > Basically all the VOLUMES have indexed VTOCS that need to be Converted > to a CVOL and returned to a indexed VTOC > > That the easy part. The painful part is I will have to the RO > *ALL,UCB Offline > > Run the job > > RO *ALL,UCB Online > > Before anyon is the wiser > > > -- > -- > > > This electronic mail (including any attachments) may contain > information that is privileged, confidential, and/or otherwise > protected from disclosure to anyone other than its intended > recipient(s). Any dissemination or use of this electronic email or its > contents (including any attachments) by persons other than the > intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received > this message in error, please notify us immediately by reply email so > that we may correct our internal records. Please then delete the > original message (including any attachments) in its entirety. Thank > you > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > On Behalf Of Pommier, Rex > Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2023 1:54 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF > > The PURGE parameter deletes the VTOCIX dataset so using the BUILDIX will > build a new one and not reuse the old, corrupt dataset. > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Seymour J Metz > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 1:53 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF > > That will work fine if the existing IXVTOC is good, but what if it is > corrupted? > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://mason.gmu.edu/*smetz3__;fg!!KjMRP1I > xj6eLE > 0Fj!rQsxPmTo-3kSqLu15go6sNEUX8nn6PcuIZao7aZKuZ2xEN9BCZkpYpOn1HKVI96FWQ > XJ_-p4 > F3GGnpKkUQ$ > > ________ > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on > behalf of Pommier, Rex [rpomm...@sfgmembers.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 2:34 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF > > Steve, > > I'm not sure if a CVOL is the same as a non-indexed VTOC (I didn't think so) > but to remove the IXVTOC, use ICKDSF BUILDIX OSVTOC PURGE which will unindex > the VTOC and delete the VTOC index. Then run an ICKDSF BUILDIX INDXVTOC to > rebuild a new one. > > If you have access to the ICKDSF manual, it's under the BUILDIX section of > the manual. > > Rex > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Steve Beaver > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 1:26 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF > > I worked in a stop the got sever LSPACE errors. > > > > Can anyone tell me the command to Convert a indexed vtoc to a CVOL and > back to a INDEXED > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Steve > > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > The information contained in this message is confidential, protected from > disclosure and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is > not the intended recipient or an employee or agent responsible for delivering > this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > disclosure, distribution, copying, or any action taken or action omitted in > reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have > received t
Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF
I'm not Steve, but yes, I spoke incorrectly also Carmen On 1/3/2023 2:16 PM, Pommier, Rex wrote: Steve, Don't you simply mean converting the IXVTOC to an OSVTOC - ie an unindexed VTOC? If my old memory cells are recalling correctly, a CVOL was an ancient version of a VSAM catalog from before the ICF catalogs existed. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Steve Beaver Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2023 2:06 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF What I have is a couple VOLUMES that are getting LSPACE errors Basically all the VOLUMES have indexed VTOCS that need to be Converted to a CVOL and returned to a indexed VTOC That the easy part. The painful part is I will have to the RO *ALL,UCB Offline Run the job RO *ALL,UCB Online Before anyon is the wiser This electronic mail (including any attachments) may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and/or otherwise protected from disclosure to anyone other than its intended recipient(s). Any dissemination or use of this electronic email or its contents (including any attachments) by persons other than the intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by reply email so that we may correct our internal records. Please then delete the original message (including any attachments) in its entirety. Thank you -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Pommier, Rex Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2023 1:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF The PURGE parameter deletes the VTOCIX dataset so using the BUILDIX will build a new one and not reuse the old, corrupt dataset. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 1:53 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF That will work fine if the existing IXVTOC is good, but what if it is corrupted? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://mason.gmu.edu/*smetz3__;fg!!KjMRP1Ixj6eLE 0Fj!rQsxPmTo-3kSqLu15go6sNEUX8nn6PcuIZao7aZKuZ2xEN9BCZkpYpOn1HKVI96FWQXJ_-p4 F3GGnpKkUQ$ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Pommier, Rex [rpomm...@sfgmembers.com] Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 2:34 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF Steve, I'm not sure if a CVOL is the same as a non-indexed VTOC (I didn't think so) but to remove the IXVTOC, use ICKDSF BUILDIX OSVTOC PURGE which will unindex the VTOC and delete the VTOC index. Then run an ICKDSF BUILDIX INDXVTOC to rebuild a new one. If you have access to the ICKDSF manual, it's under the BUILDIX section of the manual. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Steve Beaver Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 1:26 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF I worked in a stop the got sever LSPACE errors. Can anyone tell me the command to Convert a indexed vtoc to a CVOL and back to a INDEXED Regards, Steve -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- The information contained in this message is confidential, protected from disclosure and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, distribution, copying, or any action taken or action omitted in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- The information contained in this message is confidential, protected from disclosure and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message
Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF
Steve, Don't you simply mean converting the IXVTOC to an OSVTOC - ie an unindexed VTOC? If my old memory cells are recalling correctly, a CVOL was an ancient version of a VSAM catalog from before the ICF catalogs existed. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Steve Beaver Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2023 2:06 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF What I have is a couple VOLUMES that are getting LSPACE errors Basically all the VOLUMES have indexed VTOCS that need to be Converted to a CVOL and returned to a indexed VTOC That the easy part. The painful part is I will have to the RO *ALL,UCB Offline Run the job RO *ALL,UCB Online Before anyon is the wiser This electronic mail (including any attachments) may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and/or otherwise protected from disclosure to anyone other than its intended recipient(s). Any dissemination or use of this electronic email or its contents (including any attachments) by persons other than the intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by reply email so that we may correct our internal records. Please then delete the original message (including any attachments) in its entirety. Thank you -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Pommier, Rex Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2023 1:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF The PURGE parameter deletes the VTOCIX dataset so using the BUILDIX will build a new one and not reuse the old, corrupt dataset. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 1:53 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF That will work fine if the existing IXVTOC is good, but what if it is corrupted? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://mason.gmu.edu/*smetz3__;fg!!KjMRP1Ixj6eLE 0Fj!rQsxPmTo-3kSqLu15go6sNEUX8nn6PcuIZao7aZKuZ2xEN9BCZkpYpOn1HKVI96FWQXJ_-p4 F3GGnpKkUQ$ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Pommier, Rex [rpomm...@sfgmembers.com] Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 2:34 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF Steve, I'm not sure if a CVOL is the same as a non-indexed VTOC (I didn't think so) but to remove the IXVTOC, use ICKDSF BUILDIX OSVTOC PURGE which will unindex the VTOC and delete the VTOC index. Then run an ICKDSF BUILDIX INDXVTOC to rebuild a new one. If you have access to the ICKDSF manual, it's under the BUILDIX section of the manual. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Steve Beaver Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 1:26 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF I worked in a stop the got sever LSPACE errors. Can anyone tell me the command to Convert a indexed vtoc to a CVOL and back to a INDEXED Regards, Steve -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- The information contained in this message is confidential, protected from disclosure and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, distribution, copying, or any action taken or action omitted in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- The information contained in this message is confidential, protected from disclosure and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, distribution, copying, or any action
Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF
IIRC you can covert to a CVOL to a IXVTOC without taking the address offline, I cannot test this unfortunately It's been a long time since I've been a DASD guy, but one of my older examples I have will rebuild the vtoc - I've used this to resize the IXVTOC also //IXVTOC EXEC PGM=ICKDSF,REGION=4000K //** //* JCL TO REBUILD INDEXED VTOC AFTER COPYING VOLID TO A DIFFERENT //* VOLUME. DO AFTER NEW VOLUME IS MOUNTED. //* //* ALSO, FOR DFHSM ERROR 'ARC0404I - RC=00, REAS=00' TO REBUILD THE //* THE INDEX VTOC. //** //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* //DISK1 DD DISP=SHR,VOL=SER=MVSWK3,UNIT=3380,DSN=SYS1.VTOCIX.MVSWKF, // DISP=(,KEEP),SPACE=(TRK,(30,2),,CONTIG) //SYSIN DD * BUILDIX DDNAME(DISK1) IXVTOC /* On 1/3/2023 2:05 PM, Steve Beaver wrote: What I have is a couple VOLUMES that are getting LSPACE errors Basically all the VOLUMES have indexed VTOCS that need to be Converted to a CVOL and returned to a indexed VTOC That the easy part. The painful part is I will have to the RO *ALL,UCB Offline Run the job RO *ALL,UCB Online Before anyon is the wiser This electronic mail (including any attachments) may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and/or otherwise protected from disclosure to anyone other than its intended recipient(s). Any dissemination or use of this electronic email or its contents (including any attachments) by persons other than the intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by reply email so that we may correct our internal records. Please then delete the original message (including any attachments) in its entirety. Thank you -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Pommier, Rex Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2023 1:54 PM To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF The PURGE parameter deletes the VTOCIX dataset so using the BUILDIX will build a new one and not reuse the old, corrupt dataset. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 1:53 PM To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF That will work fine if the existing IXVTOC is good, but what if it is corrupted? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://mason.gmu.edu/*smetz3__;fg!!KjMRP1Ixj6eLE 0Fj!rQsxPmTo-3kSqLu15go6sNEUX8nn6PcuIZao7aZKuZ2xEN9BCZkpYpOn1HKVI96FWQXJ_-p4 F3GGnpKkUQ$ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Pommier, Rex [rpomm...@sfgmembers.com] Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 2:34 PM To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF Steve, I'm not sure if a CVOL is the same as a non-indexed VTOC (I didn't think so) but to remove the IXVTOC, use ICKDSF BUILDIX OSVTOC PURGE which will unindex the VTOC and delete the VTOC index. Then run an ICKDSF BUILDIX INDXVTOC to rebuild a new one. If you have access to the ICKDSF manual, it's under the BUILDIX section of the manual. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Steve Beaver Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 1:26 PM To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF I worked in a stop the got sever LSPACE errors. Can anyone tell me the command to Convert a indexed vtoc to a CVOL and back to a INDEXED Regards, Steve -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email tolists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- The information contained in this message is confidential, protected from disclosure and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, distribution, copying, or any action taken or action omitted in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email tolists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email tolists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message
Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF
What I have is a couple VOLUMES that are getting LSPACE errors Basically all the VOLUMES have indexed VTOCS that need to be Converted to a CVOL and returned to a indexed VTOC That the easy part. The painful part is I will have to the RO *ALL,UCB Offline Run the job RO *ALL,UCB Online Before anyon is the wiser This electronic mail (including any attachments) may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and/or otherwise protected from disclosure to anyone other than its intended recipient(s). Any dissemination or use of this electronic email or its contents (including any attachments) by persons other than the intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by reply email so that we may correct our internal records. Please then delete the original message (including any attachments) in its entirety. Thank you -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Pommier, Rex Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2023 1:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF The PURGE parameter deletes the VTOCIX dataset so using the BUILDIX will build a new one and not reuse the old, corrupt dataset. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 1:53 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF That will work fine if the existing IXVTOC is good, but what if it is corrupted? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://mason.gmu.edu/*smetz3__;fg!!KjMRP1Ixj6eLE 0Fj!rQsxPmTo-3kSqLu15go6sNEUX8nn6PcuIZao7aZKuZ2xEN9BCZkpYpOn1HKVI96FWQXJ_-p4 F3GGnpKkUQ$ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Pommier, Rex [rpomm...@sfgmembers.com] Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 2:34 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF Steve, I'm not sure if a CVOL is the same as a non-indexed VTOC (I didn't think so) but to remove the IXVTOC, use ICKDSF BUILDIX OSVTOC PURGE which will unindex the VTOC and delete the VTOC index. Then run an ICKDSF BUILDIX INDXVTOC to rebuild a new one. If you have access to the ICKDSF manual, it's under the BUILDIX section of the manual. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Steve Beaver Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 1:26 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF I worked in a stop the got sever LSPACE errors. Can anyone tell me the command to Convert a indexed vtoc to a CVOL and back to a INDEXED Regards, Steve -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- The information contained in this message is confidential, protected from disclosure and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, distribution, copying, or any action taken or action omitted in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- The information contained in this message is confidential, protected from disclosure and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, distribution, copying, or any action taken or action omitted in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists
Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF
The PURGE parameter deletes the VTOCIX dataset so using the BUILDIX will build a new one and not reuse the old, corrupt dataset. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 1:53 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF That will work fine if the existing IXVTOC is good, but what if it is corrupted? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://mason.gmu.edu/*smetz3__;fg!!KjMRP1Ixj6eLE0Fj!rQsxPmTo-3kSqLu15go6sNEUX8nn6PcuIZao7aZKuZ2xEN9BCZkpYpOn1HKVI96FWQXJ_-p4F3GGnpKkUQ$ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Pommier, Rex [rpomm...@sfgmembers.com] Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 2:34 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF Steve, I'm not sure if a CVOL is the same as a non-indexed VTOC (I didn't think so) but to remove the IXVTOC, use ICKDSF BUILDIX OSVTOC PURGE which will unindex the VTOC and delete the VTOC index. Then run an ICKDSF BUILDIX INDXVTOC to rebuild a new one. If you have access to the ICKDSF manual, it's under the BUILDIX section of the manual. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Steve Beaver Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 1:26 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF I worked in a stop the got sever LSPACE errors. Can anyone tell me the command to Convert a indexed vtoc to a CVOL and back to a INDEXED Regards, Steve -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- The information contained in this message is confidential, protected from disclosure and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, distribution, copying, or any action taken or action omitted in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- The information contained in this message is confidential, protected from disclosure and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, distribution, copying, or any action taken or action omitted in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF
https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.2.0?topic=devices-buildix-commandckd BUILDIX reads the VTOC to build the index. Does not rely on current contents. https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.2.0?topic=devices-buildix-commandckd On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 1:34 PM Pommier, Rex wrote: > > Steve, > > I'm not sure if a CVOL is the same as a non-indexed VTOC (I didn't think so) > but to remove the IXVTOC, use ICKDSF BUILDIX OSVTOC PURGE which will unindex > the VTOC and delete the VTOC index. Then run an ICKDSF BUILDIX INDXVTOC to > rebuild a new one. > > If you have access to the ICKDSF manual, it's under the BUILDIX section of > the manual. > > Rex > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of > Steve Beaver > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 1:26 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF > > I worked in a stop the got sever LSPACE errors. > > > > Can anyone tell me the command to Convert a indexed vtoc to a CVOL and back > to a INDEXED > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Steve > > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to > lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > The information contained in this message is confidential, protected from > disclosure and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is > not the intended recipient or an employee or agent responsible for delivering > this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > disclosure, distribution, copying, or any action taken or action omitted in > reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have > received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by > replying to this message and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in > electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF
That will work fine if the existing IXVTOC is good, but what if it is corrupted? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Pommier, Rex [rpomm...@sfgmembers.com] Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 2:34 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF Steve, I'm not sure if a CVOL is the same as a non-indexed VTOC (I didn't think so) but to remove the IXVTOC, use ICKDSF BUILDIX OSVTOC PURGE which will unindex the VTOC and delete the VTOC index. Then run an ICKDSF BUILDIX INDXVTOC to rebuild a new one. If you have access to the ICKDSF manual, it's under the BUILDIX section of the manual. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Steve Beaver Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 1:26 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF I worked in a stop the got sever LSPACE errors. Can anyone tell me the command to Convert a indexed vtoc to a CVOL and back to a INDEXED Regards, Steve -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- The information contained in this message is confidential, protected from disclosure and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, distribution, copying, or any action taken or action omitted in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF
Steve, I'm not sure if a CVOL is the same as a non-indexed VTOC (I didn't think so) but to remove the IXVTOC, use ICKDSF BUILDIX OSVTOC PURGE which will unindex the VTOC and delete the VTOC index. Then run an ICKDSF BUILDIX INDXVTOC to rebuild a new one. If you have access to the ICKDSF manual, it's under the BUILDIX section of the manual. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Steve Beaver Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 1:26 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] ICKDSF I worked in a stop the got sever LSPACE errors. Can anyone tell me the command to Convert a indexed vtoc to a CVOL and back to a INDEXED Regards, Steve -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- The information contained in this message is confidential, protected from disclosure and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, distribution, copying, or any action taken or action omitted in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
