Re: Does IBM file manager let you access panvalet
They have been using panvalet for over 40 years, they have zero plans to replace it, it's just File-Aid that is the issue, (costwise) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Does IBM file manager let you access panvalet
Attila Fogarasi wrote: > Your other option is to convert Panvalet to Endevor... That’s not the (only) other option. Another option is to switch from Panvalet to Git with IBM Dependency Based Build (DBB). — Timothy Sipples Senior Architect Digital Assets, Industry Solutions, and Cybersecurity IBM zSystems/LinuxONE, Asia-Pacific sipp...@sg.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Does IBM file manager let you access panvalet
It was the PAM interface that I was worried about. I saw that File-Manager let you access panvalet for copybooks, but didn't see where it let you just open the panvalet dataset like a PDS and browse the members etc. I have since found that the older File-manager manuals had the information and they for some reason dropped it in the newer one but it is still supported exactly the same. I think I could probably code an ISPF interface myself, but in this case they want to replace File-Aid, which means the ability to copy and browse.edit VSAM etc. as well. It appears that FIle-Manager is a perfect replacement and is in fact (much) cheaper than File-Aid. Thanks for your help. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Does IBM file manager let you access panvalet
The manual quoted does not say that IBM File Manager can access Panvalet
libraries **without the Panvalet product*. It requires Panvalet release 14 or
higher.
Your original question said:
>One of the things they use File-Aid for is to read Panvalet (they don't
> have the panvalet ISPF panel option).
Do you mean that have Panvalet but not Panvalet in ISPF?
FYI.. As someone who has coded an interface to read Panvalet libraries, the way
it works is there's a Panvalet Access Method ("PAM"). A program can use this to
work with Panvalet libraries ... search the directory, open and read members,
etc.
So what File Manager is doing, probably, is using PAM to allow it to use
members in Panvalet as an alternative to PDS.
The tricky part is that Panvalet member names can be 10 characters, so you
can't just make it completely transparent, with no differences at all between
using PDS and Panvalet.
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CA was bought byBroadcom, compuware went to BMC. But you are correct, Both of
these vendors are using the same pricing practices of the company that they
acquired.
Knowing that IBM file manager can read Panvalet directly is the solution, it's
about 10% of the cost of File-Aid.
Brian
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CA was bought byBroadcom, compuware went to BMC. But you are correct, Both of these vendors are using the same pricing practices of the company that they acquired. Knowing that IBM file manager can read Panvalet directly is the solution, it's about 10% of the cost of File-Aid. Brian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Yep, my very first gig when I went into contracting: The client (an insurance company in Baltimore, now defunct I've heard) got mad at CA's predatory pricing and decided to dump ~all~ their products in favor of various competitors: tape management, scheduling, report archiving et al. My part was to crack the manuals on all the new products and figure out what rules (in ACF2, this was) would be required to make the new products act approximately like the old. I heard later that six months after I finished, they kissed and made up. Sounds like a lot of wasted money to me. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* When you want to test a stream's depth, don't use both feet. -Chinese proverb */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Allan Staller Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2023 08:09 That is not an option I would undertake. Last I heard both Panvalet and Endeavour are both CA (Compuware) which is what prompted the bill, And the question in this thread. My opinion is that BMC is behaving like the CA of the late 80's, early 90's. How many installations decided to dump CA at that time? My USD $0.02 worth. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Attila Fogarasi Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2023 4:07 AM Your other option is to convert Panvalet to Endevor (easy to do as Endevor supports the 10 character names that Panvalet has). Either way it wll be much cheaper than BMC. --- On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 2:15 PM Brian Westerman < brian_wester...@syzygyinc.com> wrote: > Does IBM file Manager let you access (i.e. browse) Panvalet datasets > like the old Compuware File-aid product? One of our clients is > getting a huge bill from BMC (they bought Compuware), and they are > thinking about replacing File-Aid with IBM File Manager. One of the > things they use File-Aid for is to read Panvalet (they don't have the > panvalet ISPF panel option). I jsut want to make sure that File > Manager has no issues with reading the panvalet datasets similar to how > file-aid does it. > > I have File-Manager here, but I don't have Panvalet so I can't tell if > they are compatible. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Does IBM file manager let you access panvalet
Classification: Confidential That is not an option I would undertake. Last I heard both Panvalet and Endeavour are both CA (Compuware) which is what prompted the bill, And the question in this thread. My opinion is that BMC is behaving like the CA of the late 80's, early 90's. How many installations decided to dump CA at that time? My USD $0.02 worth. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Attila Fogarasi Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2023 4:07 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Does IBM file manager let you access panvalet [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you trust the sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be a Phishing email, which can steal your Information and compromise your Computer.] https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/file-manager-for-zos/14.1?topic=libraries-accessing-source-code-in-ca-panvalet Your other option is to convert Panvalet to Endevor (easy to do as Endevor supports the 10 character names that Panvalet has). Either way it wll be much cheaper than BMC. On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 2:15 PM Brian Westerman < brian_wester...@syzygyinc.com> wrote: > Hi, > > Does IBM file Manager let you access (i.e. browse) Panvalet datasets > like the old Compuware File-aid product? One of our clients is > getting a huge bill from BMC (they bought Compuware), and they are > thinking about replacing File-Aid with IBM File Manager. One of the > things they use File-Aid for is to read Panvalet (they don't have the > panvalet ISPF panel option). I jsut want to make sure that File > Manager has no issues with reading the panvalet datasets similar to how > file-aid does it. > > I have File-Manager here, but I don't have Panvalet so I can't tell if > they are compatible. > > Thanks for your help. > Brian > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ::DISCLAIMER:: The contents of this e-mail and any attachment(s) are confidential and intended for the named recipient(s) only. E-mail transmission is not guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or may contain viruses in transmission. The e mail and its contents (with or without referred errors) shall therefore not attach any liability on the originator or HCL or its affiliates. Views or opinions, if any, presented in this email are solely those of the author and may not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of HCL or its affiliates. Any form of reproduction, dissemination, copying, disclosure, modification, distribution and / or publication of this message without the prior written consent of authorized representative of HCL is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify the sender immediately. Before opening any email and/or attachments, please check them for viruses and other defects. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Does IBM file manager let you access panvalet
https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/file-manager-for-zos/14.1?topic=libraries-accessing-source-code-in-ca-panvalet Your other option is to convert Panvalet to Endevor (easy to do as Endevor supports the 10 character names that Panvalet has). Either way it wll be much cheaper than BMC. On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 2:15 PM Brian Westerman < brian_wester...@syzygyinc.com> wrote: > Hi, > > Does IBM file Manager let you access (i.e. browse) Panvalet datasets like > the old Compuware File-aid product? One of our clients is getting a huge > bill from BMC (they bought Compuware), and they are thinking about > replacing File-Aid with IBM File Manager. One of the things they use > File-Aid for is to read Panvalet (they don't have the panvalet ISPF panel > option). I jsut want to make sure that File Manager has no issues with > reading the panvalet datasets similar to how file-aid does it. > > I have File-Manager here, but I don't have Panvalet so I can't tell if > they are compatible. > > Thanks for your help. > Brian > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Does IBM file manager let you access panvalet
Yes. See Chapter 9 (p. 113) here: https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/file-manager-for-zos/15.1?topic=customization-guide — Timothy Sipples Senior Architect Digital Assets, Industry Solutions, and Cybersecurity IBM zSystems/LinuxONE, Asia-Pacific sipp...@sg.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Does IBM file manager let you access panvalet
Hi, Does IBM file Manager let you access (i.e. browse) Panvalet datasets like the old Compuware File-aid product? One of our clients is getting a huge bill from BMC (they bought Compuware), and they are thinking about replacing File-Aid with IBM File Manager. One of the things they use File-Aid for is to read Panvalet (they don't have the panvalet ISPF panel option). I jsut want to make sure that File Manager has no issues with reading the panvalet datasets similar to how file-aid does it. I have File-Manager here, but I don't have Panvalet so I can't tell if they are compatible. Thanks for your help. Brian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
