Re: Forbes: Nice Mainframe, How Do I Turn It On?
In CAJTOO597cG_r9UK+NcOp3gOpcfBGg8ERoD=xjw7ojgobd_s...@mail.gmail.com, on 04/03/2015 at 07:12 AM, Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com said: I know a construction firm in Springfield, IL. They have jobs waiting to be worked on. hat do they pay? What are working conditions? What are benefits? Is there a real shortage of construction workers, or is the company simply not offering a fair wage? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Forbes: Nice Mainframe, How Do I Turn It On?
I know a construction firm in Springfield, IL. They have jobs waiting to be worked on. They hire almost everyone who applies, which isn't many. Most quit withing a few days. On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 5:22 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote: In 3910647452015251.wa.elardus.engelbrechtsita.co...@listserv.ua.edu, on 04/02/2015 at 10:29 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za said: Generally the young boys/girls are too lazy or bored to work on a farm, That may be how it looks to the owner. To an outsider, the obvious question is whether the owner is paying enough. One cliché lost in the backwaters of History is The workman is worthy of his hire. IOW, don't expect people to work for peanut if they can do better elsewhere. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Forbes: Nice Mainframe, How Do I Turn It On?
In 391985581.4403356.1427981707042.javamail.ya...@mail.yahoo.com, on 04/02/2015 at 01:35 PM, Mark Regan 006f01c0dca1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu said: http://www.forbes.com/sites/adrianbridgwater/2015/04/02/nice-mainframe-how-the-hell-do-i-turn-it-on/ Every generation thinks that it invented sex. No, COBOL was *not* the first business oriented language, or even the second. BTW, PL/I is not just for scientific and engineering.programming, it's also for business programming. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Forbes: Nice Mainframe, How Do I Turn It On?
In 3910647452015251.wa.elardus.engelbrechtsita.co...@listserv.ua.edu, on 04/02/2015 at 10:29 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za said: Generally the young boys/girls are too lazy or bored to work on a farm, That may be how it looks to the owner. To an outsider, the obvious question is whether the owner is paying enough. One cliché lost in the backwaters of History is The workman is worthy of his hire. IOW, don't expect people to work for peanut if they can do better elsewhere. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Forbes: Nice Mainframe, How Do I Turn It On?
Paul Gilmartin wrote: Not so clueless. Taken in the context of the article it was clearly hyperbole, an attributive metaphor. The problem discussed, how to find skilled personnel to maintain the mainframes and their software is real, perhaps aggravated by ageism. Indeed. But the article is subtle advertisement of topaz and the company behind it. I did not learn something new, but some may be inspired by this article. I would not be surprised if some young %$$hole asks me this: Where do I click to IPL my z? (If not standing before HMC of course. :-D ) About age and finding skills: A similar thing is happening on farms. Only hardworking old/ageing guys/gals are still working on farms. Generally the young boys/girls are too lazy or bored to work on a farm, they want to get rich quickly without hard work. Who of them want to look/care/handling animals, inspecting/repairing camps fences, drive around looking for weeds/non-indigenous trees to chop out or spray, driving a tractor up and down, up and down a field, etc., day after day? Who of these youngies want to go at 02:00 in night to help a cow during birth of a calve or chase away a predator at a chicken place? Or fixing burst pipes or driving to town 50 kilometres away, etc? (... or fending of a 4 metre python while showering in a farmhouse? That happend to a woman about a week ago. She survived while her small children and dogs were also in the house.) But one thing about that article I'm agreeing with: The new breed of developers will not always be able to readily or accurately understand poorly documented COBOL and PL/l application logic ... Who of you have not tried to update an application and by the very last dead-line, then only you understand the logic and flow of it...? ... and found some bug(s) impossible to fix without rewriting the whole %^*# thing... Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Forbes: Nice Mainframe, How Do I Turn It On?
On 04/02/2015 11:29 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote: SNIPPAGE Who of you have not tried to update an application and by the very last dead-line, then only you understand the logic and flow of it...? ... and found some bug(s) impossible to fix without rewriting the whole %^*# thing... Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht Too many times. And management always wants it fixed, not re-written because that will mean having to test every logic path... ??? Regards, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Forbes: Nice Mainframe, How Do I Turn It On?
On Thu, 2 Apr 2015 13:35:07 +, Mark Regan wrote: http://www.forbes.com/sites/adrianbridgwater/2015/04/02/nice-mainframe-how-the-hell-do-i-turn-it-on/ IBM confirms that the Z13 mainframe start button is in fact on the back, just on the left. Clueless. -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Forbes: Nice Mainframe, How Do I Turn It On?
I know the comment about the start button was supposed to be funny, but isn't that a picture of the front of the machine accompanying the article? And isn't the power switch pretty much in the center of the machine? Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tom Marchant Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 9:49 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Forbes: Nice Mainframe, How Do I Turn It On? On Thu, 2 Apr 2015 13:35:07 +, Mark Regan wrote: http://www.forbes.com/sites/adrianbridgwater/2015/04/02/nice-mainframe-how-the-hell-do-i-turn-it-on/ IBM confirms that the Z13 mainframe start button is in fact on the back, just on the left. Clueless. -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN The information contained in this message is confidential, protected from disclosure and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, distribution, copying, or any action taken or action omitted in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Forbes: Nice Mainframe, How Do I Turn It On?
True, it's an EPO type switch on the front of the machine, but I'll guarantee that if that switch is down, no HMC or SE attached to it will bring the machine up! grin -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Ken Porowski Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 10:26 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Forbes: Nice Mainframe, How Do I Turn It On? Is there even a real Power On switch? I know there's an EPO switch and probably some circuit breakers in the back but I thought the power on/off was done from the SE or HMC? CIT | Ken Porowski | VP Mainframe Engineering | Information Technology | +1 973 740 5459 (tel) | ken.porow...@cit.com This email message and any accompanying materials may contain proprietary, privileged and confidential information of CIT Group Inc. or its subsidiaries or affiliates (collectively, “CIT”), and are intended solely for the recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication, any use, disclosure, printing, copying or distribution, or reliance on the contents, of this communication is strictly prohibited. CIT disclaims any liability for the review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or the taking of any action in reliance upon, this communication by persons other than the intended recipient(s). If you have received this communication in error, please reply to the sender advising of the error in transmission, and immediately delete and destroy the communication and any accompanying materials. To the extent permitted by applicable law, CIT and others may inspect, review, monitor, analyze, copy, record and retain any communications sent from or received at this email address. -Original Message- Pommier, Rex I know the comment about the start button was supposed to be funny, but isn't that a picture of the front of the machine accompanying the article? And isn't the power switch pretty much in the center of the machine? Rex -Original Message- Tom Marchant On Thu, 2 Apr 2015 13:35:07 +, Mark Regan wrote: http://www.forbes.com/sites/adrianbridgwater/2015/04/02/nice-mainframe- how-the-hell-do-i-turn-it-on/ IBM confirms that the Z13 mainframe start button is in fact on the back, just on the left. Clueless. -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN The information contained in this message is confidential, protected from disclosure and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, distribution, copying, or any action taken or action omitted in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Forbes: Nice Mainframe, How Do I Turn It On?
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Elardus Engelbrecht Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 8:48 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Forbes: Nice Mainframe, How Do I Turn It On? ---Snip I'm still amazed that children are not allowed near those rooms and those EPO, I wondeer why, oh, why? ;-D Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht I don't worry about the children - it’s the Management types that scare me Jerry Whitteridge Lead Systems Engineer Safeway Inc. 925 738 9443 Corporate Tieline - 89443 If you feel in control you just aren't going fast enough. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Email Firewall made the following annotations. -- Warning: All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the corporate e-mail system, and is subject to archival and review by someone other than the recipient. This e-mail may contain proprietary information and is intended only for the use of the intended recipient(s). If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient(s), you are notified that you have received this message in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately. == -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Forbes: Nice Mainframe, How Do I Turn It On?
Is there even a real Power On switch? I know there's an EPO switch and probably some circuit breakers in the back but I thought the power on/off was done from the SE or HMC? CIT | Ken Porowski | VP Mainframe Engineering | Information Technology | +1 973 740 5459 (tel) | ken.porow...@cit.com This email message and any accompanying materials may contain proprietary, privileged and confidential information of CIT Group Inc. or its subsidiaries or affiliates (collectively, “CIT”), and are intended solely for the recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication, any use, disclosure, printing, copying or distribution, or reliance on the contents, of this communication is strictly prohibited. CIT disclaims any liability for the review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or the taking of any action in reliance upon, this communication by persons other than the intended recipient(s). If you have received this communication in error, please reply to the sender advising of the error in transmission, and immediately delete and destroy the communication and any accompanying materials. To the extent permitted by applicable law, CIT and others may inspect, review, monitor, analyze, copy, record and retain any communications sent from or received at this email address. -Original Message- Pommier, Rex I know the comment about the start button was supposed to be funny, but isn't that a picture of the front of the machine accompanying the article? And isn't the power switch pretty much in the center of the machine? Rex -Original Message- Tom Marchant On Thu, 2 Apr 2015 13:35:07 +, Mark Regan wrote: http://www.forbes.com/sites/adrianbridgwater/2015/04/02/nice-mainframe- how-the-hell-do-i-turn-it-on/ IBM confirms that the Z13 mainframe start button is in fact on the back, just on the left. Clueless. -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Forbes: Nice Mainframe, How Do I Turn It On?
Pommier, Rex wrote: True, it's an EPO type switch on the front of the machine, but I'll guarantee that if that switch is down, no HMC or SE attached to it will bring the machine up! grin I'm always nervous if a visitor is too near (nearer than 2 meters) to that EPO even with that clear plastic thing over it... ;-) IBM-MAIN is full of stories of those red buttons (covered or not) which were pressed/pushed/pulled/broken instead of being left alone... I'm still amazed that children are not allowed near those rooms and those EPO, I wondeer why, oh, why? ;-D Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Forbes: Nice Mainframe, How Do I Turn It On?
On Thu, 2 Apr 2015 09:49:08 -0500, Tom Marchant wrote: On Thu, 2 Apr 2015 13:35:07 +, Mark Regan wrote: http://www.forbes.com/sites/adrianbridgwater/2015/04/02/nice-mainframe-how-the-hell-do-i-turn-it-on/ IBM confirms that the Z13 mainframe start button is in fact on the back, just on the left. Clueless. Not so clueless. Taken in the context of the article it was clearly hyperbole, an attributive metaphor. The problem discussed, how to find skilled personnel to maintain the mainframes and their software is real, perhaps aggravated by ageism. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Forbes: Nice Mainframe, How Do I Turn It On?
On Thu, 2 Apr 2015 08:59:44 -0500, Shane Ginnane wrote: Mark you gotta stop including the Thanks in (as part of) your posted links. You did it last month too :o) And he quite reasonably separated it with a blank which LISTSERV transmogrified to NBSP (in UTF-8) when it generated the URL. http://www.forbes.com/sites/adrianbridgwater/2015/04/02/nice-mainframe-how-the-hell-do-i-turn-it-on/ Go figger. Too much DWIM. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Mark you gotta stop including the Thanks in (as part of) your posted links. You did it last month too :o) Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Forbes: Nice Mainframe, How Do I Turn It On?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/adrianbridgwater/2015/04/02/nice-mainframe-how-the-hell-do-i-turn-it-on/ Thanks, Mark Regan USNR-Ret. [1969-1991, CTO1] K8MTR -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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...and cleaning people. Bumping switches with mop handles etc. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Jerry Whitteridge Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 10:52 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Forbes: Nice Mainframe, How Do I Turn It On? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Elardus Engelbrecht Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 8:48 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Forbes: Nice Mainframe, How Do I Turn It On? ---Snip I'm still amazed that children are not allowed near those rooms and those EPO, I wondeer why, oh, why? ;-D Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht I don't worry about the children - it’s the Management types that scare me Jerry Whitteridge Lead Systems Engineer Safeway Inc. 925 738 9443 Corporate Tieline - 89443 If you feel in control you just aren't going fast enough. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Email Firewall made the following annotations. -- Warning: All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the corporate e-mail system, and is subject to archival and review by someone other than the recipient. This e-mail may contain proprietary information and is intended only for the use of the intended recipient(s). If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient(s), you are notified that you have received this message in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately. == -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN The information contained in this message is confidential, protected from disclosure and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, distribution, copying, or any action taken or action omitted in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
