Re: Friday - off topic - human factors and TN3270
And I did cut and paste, no idea how the 'a' changed to a 'c'. If I can't spell it in 8 characters or less I use cut/paste. This email message and any accompanying materials may contain proprietary, privileged and confidential information of CIT Group Inc. or its subsidiaries or affiliates (collectively, “CIT”), and are intended solely for the recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication, any use, disclosure, printing, copying or distribution, or reliance on the contents, of this communication is strictly prohibited. CIT disclaims any liability for the review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or the taking of any action in reliance upon, this communication by persons other than the intended recipient(s). If you have received this communication in error, please reply to the sender advising of the error in transmission, and immediately delete and destroy the communication and any accompanying materials. To the extent permitted by applicable law, CIT and others may inspect, review, monitor, analyze, copy, record and retain any communications sent from or received at this email address. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Porowski, Kenneth Sent: Monday, July 09, 2018 10:59 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Friday - off topic - human factors and TN3270 I actually have one, should have bought 2 as mine is used and seriously grungy. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2018 8:31 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Friday - off topic - human factors and TN3270 1993 or so, it would appear from this page. (Mind the wrap.) https://books.google.com/books?id=O3xyvDOfru0C=PA132 Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Don Poitras Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2018 3:59 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Friday - off topic - human factors and TN3270 Obvious typo. Which leads me to think it was typed in. A true mainframer eschewing the new-fangled mouse cut and paste. :) http://archive.computerhistory.org/resources/access/physical-object/2009/04/ 102682822.01.01.lg.jpg In article you wrote: > 404, alas... > On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 11:18 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht < > elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za> wrote: > > Porowski, Kenneth wrote: > > > > >"Bud and Elliot Grundt develop the first Mainframe Mouse." > > >http://archive.computerhistory.org/resources/cccess/physical-object/2009/ > > 04/102682822.01.01.lg.jpg > > > > Rats! That is a good picture of that "painframe" rat! ;-) > > > > Hmmm, is the numbr 102682822 shown, the actual number of those > > Mainframe Mouse manufactured? > > > > Will it hurts when that rat driver drives over those power cables? ;-) > > > > Thanks Kenneth for bringing a great smile! ;-) > > > > Please keep up posting on IBM-MAIN! ;-) > > > > Groete / Greetings > > Elardus Engelbrecht > -- > zMan -- "I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it" -- Don Poitras - SAS Development - SAS Institute Inc. - SAS Campus Drive sas...@sas.com (919) 531-5637Cary, NC 27513 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Friday - off topic - human factors and TN3270
I actually have one, should have bought 2 as mine is used and seriously grungy. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2018 8:31 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Friday - off topic - human factors and TN3270 1993 or so, it would appear from this page. (Mind the wrap.) https://books.google.com/books?id=O3xyvDOfru0C=PA132 Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Don Poitras Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2018 3:59 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Friday - off topic - human factors and TN3270 Obvious typo. Which leads me to think it was typed in. A true mainframer eschewing the new-fangled mouse cut and paste. :) http://archive.computerhistory.org/resources/access/physical-object/2009/04/ 102682822.01.01.lg.jpg In article you wrote: > 404, alas... > On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 11:18 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht < > elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za> wrote: > > Porowski, Kenneth wrote: > > > > >"Bud and Elliot Grundt develop the first Mainframe Mouse." > > >http://archive.computerhistory.org/resources/cccess/physical-object/2009/ > > 04/102682822.01.01.lg.jpg > > > > Rats! That is a good picture of that "painframe" rat! ;-) > > > > Hmmm, is the numbr 102682822 shown, the actual number of those > > Mainframe Mouse manufactured? > > > > Will it hurts when that rat driver drives over those power cables? ;-) > > > > Thanks Kenneth for bringing a great smile! ;-) > > > > Please keep up posting on IBM-MAIN! ;-) > > > > Groete / Greetings > > Elardus Engelbrecht > -- > zMan -- "I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it" -- Don Poitras - SAS Development - SAS Institute Inc. - SAS Campus Drive sas...@sas.com (919) 531-5637Cary, NC 27513 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Friday - off topic - human factors and TN3270
My 2-cents worth... I prefer darker background colors and, therefore, lighter text colors. I find that to me far easier on my eyes than white backgrounds. The original hardware monitors from IBM had a blue that was too dark. It blended in with the black background so much that I could hardly see it. So one thing I always do is change the workstation's software to use a lighter blue. I find it extremely useful to run multiple TSO sessions simultaneously, so I routinely run with multiple workstation windows open. To help keep things straight, I find it useful to define different color schemes for each workstation window. Dave Cole ColeSoft Marketing 414 Third Street, NE Charlottesville, VA 22902 EADDRESS:dbc...@colesoft.com Home page: www.colesoft.com LinkedIn:www.xdc.com Facebook:www.facebook.com/colesoftware YouTube: www.youtube.com/user/colesoftware Tools: z/XDC for Assembler debugging c/XDC for C debugging At 7/6/2018 10:45 AM, Dyck, Lionel B. (RavenTek) wrote: For years I was used to the default TN3270 client having a black background and colors that seemed to glow at times. Then I found that I could adjust the colors and found that a grey (or is it gray) background worked better for my viewing experience and I adjusted the other colors accordingly and made them more muted where possible. Now I'm using Reflections and am using the Ice theme with some slight modifications and it works great. When I'm using Vista TN3270 I have adjusted all the colors for a grey background as well. With Reflections there are many other color themes and I'm sure other TN3270 products also support them in varying ways of completeness. Has anyone does any human factor studies on optimizing screen colors? Thoughts/comments for a Friday -- Lionel B. Dyck (Contractor) < Mainframe Systems Programmer - RavenTek Solution Partners -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Friday - off topic - human factors and TN3270
On Sat, 7 Jul 2018 18:36:28 -0400, zMan wrote: >404, alas... > >On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 11:18 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote: > >> Porowski, Kenneth wrote: >> >> >"Bud and Elliot Grundt develop the first Mainframe Mouse." >> >http://archive.computerhistory.org/resources/cccess/physical-object/2009/ >> 04/102682822.01.01.lg.jpg >> There's a typo in your Elardus's citation and yours. Original was: http://archive.computerhistory.org/resources/access/physical-object/2009/04/102682822.01.01.lg.jpg -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Friday - off topic - human factors and TN3270
Aha! Found the original. https://books.google.com/books?id=vfztUIpZm7UC=PA2 Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2018 5:31 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Friday - off topic - human factors and TN3270 1993 or so, it would appear from this page. (Mind the wrap.) https://books.google.com/books?id=O3xyvDOfru0C=PA132 Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Don Poitras Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2018 3:59 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Friday - off topic - human factors and TN3270 Obvious typo. Which leads me to think it was typed in. A true mainframer eschewing the new-fangled mouse cut and paste. :) http://archive.computerhistory.org/resources/access/physical-object/2009/04/ 102682822.01.01.lg.jpg In article you wrote: > 404, alas... > On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 11:18 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht < > elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za> wrote: > > Porowski, Kenneth wrote: > > > > >"Bud and Elliot Grundt develop the first Mainframe Mouse." > > >http://archive.computerhistory.org/resources/cccess/physical-object/2009/ > > 04/102682822.01.01.lg.jpg > > > > Rats! That is a good picture of that "painframe" rat! ;-) > > > > Hmmm, is the numbr 102682822 shown, the actual number of those > > Mainframe Mouse manufactured? > > > > Will it hurts when that rat driver drives over those power cables? ;-) > > > > Thanks Kenneth for bringing a great smile! ;-) > > > > Please keep up posting on IBM-MAIN! ;-) > > > > Groete / Greetings > > Elardus Engelbrecht > -- > zMan -- "I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it" -- Don Poitras - SAS Development - SAS Institute Inc. - SAS Campus Drive sas...@sas.com (919) 531-5637Cary, NC 27513 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Friday - off topic - human factors and TN3270
1993 or so, it would appear from this page. (Mind the wrap.) https://books.google.com/books?id=O3xyvDOfru0C=PA132 Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Don Poitras Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2018 3:59 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Friday - off topic - human factors and TN3270 Obvious typo. Which leads me to think it was typed in. A true mainframer eschewing the new-fangled mouse cut and paste. :) http://archive.computerhistory.org/resources/access/physical-object/2009/04/ 102682822.01.01.lg.jpg In article you wrote: > 404, alas... > On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 11:18 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht < > elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za> wrote: > > Porowski, Kenneth wrote: > > > > >"Bud and Elliot Grundt develop the first Mainframe Mouse." > > >http://archive.computerhistory.org/resources/cccess/physical-object/2009/ > > 04/102682822.01.01.lg.jpg > > > > Rats! That is a good picture of that "painframe" rat! ;-) > > > > Hmmm, is the numbr 102682822 shown, the actual number of those > > Mainframe Mouse manufactured? > > > > Will it hurts when that rat driver drives over those power cables? ;-) > > > > Thanks Kenneth for bringing a great smile! ;-) > > > > Please keep up posting on IBM-MAIN! ;-) > > > > Groete / Greetings > > Elardus Engelbrecht > -- > zMan -- "I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it" -- Don Poitras - SAS Development - SAS Institute Inc. - SAS Campus Drive sas...@sas.com (919) 531-5637Cary, NC 27513 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Friday - off topic - human factors and TN3270
Obvious typo. Which leads me to think it was typed in. A true mainframer eschewing the new-fangled mouse cut and paste. :) http://archive.computerhistory.org/resources/access/physical-object/2009/04/102682822.01.01.lg.jpg In article you wrote: > 404, alas... > On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 11:18 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht < > elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za> wrote: > > Porowski, Kenneth wrote: > > > > >"Bud and Elliot Grundt develop the first Mainframe Mouse." > > >http://archive.computerhistory.org/resources/cccess/physical-object/2009/ > > 04/102682822.01.01.lg.jpg > > > > Rats! That is a good picture of that "painframe" rat! ;-) > > > > Hmmm, is the numbr 102682822 shown, the actual number of those > > Mainframe Mouse manufactured? > > > > Will it hurts when that rat driver drives over those power cables? ;-) > > > > Thanks Kenneth for bringing a great smile! ;-) > > > > Please keep up posting on IBM-MAIN! ;-) > > > > Groete / Greetings > > Elardus Engelbrecht > -- > zMan -- "I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it" -- Don Poitras - SAS Development - SAS Institute Inc. - SAS Campus Drive sas...@sas.com (919) 531-5637Cary, NC 27513 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Friday - off topic - human factors and TN3270
Porowski, Kenneth wrote: >"Bud and Elliot Grundt develop the first Mainframe Mouse." >http://archive.computerhistory.org/resources/cccess/physical-object/2009/04/102682822.01.01.lg.jpg Rats! That is a good picture of that "painframe" rat! ;-) Hmmm, is the numbr 102682822 shown, the actual number of those Mainframe Mouse manufactured? Will it hurts when that rat driver drives over those power cables? ;-) Thanks Kenneth for bringing a great smile! ;-) Please keep up posting on IBM-MAIN! ;-) Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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>I use a white background with colors that are more or less the way they are described. The exceptions are white, which I have set to be black, and yellow, which I have set to a shade of brown. I find this to be much more pleasing to my eyes. It doesn't matter so much at 24 x 80, but at 88 x 142, it makes a big difference. Been working with just about these colors for the last 20+ years. I find it much more relaxing, especially when swapping between office suite windows and 3270 windows. -- Peter Hunkeler -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Friday - off topic - human factors and TN3270
On Fri, 6 Jul 2018 14:45:21 +, Dyck, Lionel B. (RavenTek) wrote: >For years I was used to the default TN3270 client having a black background . >. . I use a white background with colors that are more or less the way they are described. The exceptions are white, which I have set to be black, and yellow, which I have set to a shade of brown. I find this to be much more pleasing to my eyes. It doesn't matter so much at 24 x 80, but at 88 x 142, it makes a big difference. -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Friday - off topic - human factors and TN3270
(Oops! I pasted the wrong link) On Fri, 6 Jul 2018 11:31:04 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote: >On Fri, 6 Jul 2018 11:45:30 -0400, David Purdy wrote: > >>When I worked at Tektronix in the '80s, their display folks found a blue >>backgound with yellow letters provided good contrast with the least >>eyestrain. I've used that combination ever since. YMMV with newer monitors >>and drivers. >> >That sounds perilously close to "vibration": >https://www.ece.cmu.edu/~ganger/712.fall02/papers/p761-thompson.pdf > Should have been: https://webdesign.tutsplus.com/articles/why-you-should-avoid-vibrating-color-combinations--cms-25621 >Examples from that page: > > https://cms-assets.tutsplus.com/uploads/users/30/posts/25621/image/vomit.svg -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Friday - off topic - human factors and TN3270
On Fri, 6 Jul 2018 11:45:30 -0400, David Purdy wrote: >When I worked at Tektronix in the '80s, their display folks found a blue >backgound with yellow letters provided good contrast with the least eyestrain. > I've used that combination ever since. YMMV with newer monitors and drivers. > That sounds perilously close to "vibration": https://www.ece.cmu.edu/~ganger/712.fall02/papers/p761-thompson.pdf Examples from that page: https://cms-assets.tutsplus.com/uploads/users/30/posts/25621/image/vomit.svg -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Friday - off topic - human factors and TN3270
When I worked at Tektronix in the '80s, their display folks found a blue backgound with yellow letters provided good contrast with the least eyestrain. I've used that combination ever since. YMMV with newer monitors and drivers. David On Friday, July 6, 2018 Dyck, Lionel B. (RavenTek) (RavenTek) wrote: For years I was used to the default TN3270 client having a black background and colors that seemed to glow at times. Then I found that I could adjust the colors and found that a grey (or is it gray) background worked better for my viewing experience and I adjusted the other colors accordingly and made them more muted where possible. Now I'm using Reflections and am using the Ice theme with some slight modifications and it works great. When I'm using Vista TN3270 I have adjusted all the colors for a grey background as well. With Reflections there are many other color themes and I'm sure other TN3270 products also support them in varying ways of completeness. Has anyone does any human factor studies on optimizing screen colors? Thoughts/comments for a Friday -- Lionel B. Dyck (Contractor) < Mainframe Systems Programmer - RavenTek Solution Partners -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Friday - off topic - human factors and TN3270
For years I was used to the default TN3270 client having a black background and colors that seemed to glow at times. Then I found that I could adjust the colors and found that a grey (or is it gray) background worked better for my viewing experience and I adjusted the other colors accordingly and made them more muted where possible. Now I'm using Reflections and am using the Ice theme with some slight modifications and it works great. When I'm using Vista TN3270 I have adjusted all the colors for a grey background as well. With Reflections there are many other color themes and I'm sure other TN3270 products also support them in varying ways of completeness. Has anyone does any human factor studies on optimizing screen colors? Thoughts/comments for a Friday -- Lionel B. Dyck (Contractor) < Mainframe Systems Programmer - RavenTek Solution Partners -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
