Re: Ftp - no translation but add CRLF

2018-07-30 Thread Mike Hochee
I have not dealt with such a use case before,  but would be inclined to try a 
transfer type of image (binary), the LOCSITE subcommand, and a conversion 
option of either MBSENDEOL or SBSENDEOL with CRLF. 

HTH, 
Mike 
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On Sun, 29 Jul 2018 11:23:00 +, Gadi Ben-Avi  wrote:

>Hi,
>
>Is it possible to tell ftp to transfer a file from z/OS to windows without 
>translating the data, but adding CRLF at the end of each record?
>

I seem to remember one can specify a translation table explicitly. What if you 
build a custom translation table that translates each code point onto itself? 
You can then use ASCII mode (which should add the CRLF), specifying your 1-to-1 
translation table (which should actually not translate anything).

Cheers,

Jantje.

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Re: Ftp - no translation but add CRLF

2018-07-30 Thread Jantje.
On Sun, 29 Jul 2018 11:23:00 +, Gadi Ben-Avi  wrote:

>Hi,
>
>Is it possible to tell ftp to transfer a file from z/OS to windows without 
>translating the data, but adding CRLF at the end of each record?
>

I seem to remember one can specify a translation table explicitly. What if you 
build a custom translation table that translates each code point onto itself? 
You can then use ASCII mode (which should add the CRLF), specifying your 1-to-1 
translation table (which should actually not translate anything).

Cheers,

Jantje.

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Re: Ftp - no translation but add CRLF

2018-07-30 Thread ITschak Mugzach
So let them add it the tge file... 0d0a if no translation later, od25 if
they will perform translation outside of the mainframe.

ITschak

בתאריך יום ב׳, 30 ביולי 2018, 7:11, מאת Gadi Ben-Avi ‏:

> In this case, it's even more complicated, because the data uses a custom,
> extremely nonstandard, code page, that encodes, English, Hebrew and Arabic
> characters.
> That is the reason they are looking for a way to not translate the data,
> but add CRLF.
>
> Gadi
>
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>
> (off-list)
> On 2018-07-29, at 05:23:00, Gadi Ben-Avi wrote:
> >
> > Is it possible to tell ftp to transfer a file from z/OS to windows
> without translating the data, but adding CRLF at the end of each record?
> >
> > We are using z/OS v2.1
> >
> BTW, are your data Hebrew?  Will you encounter further problems because, I
> understand, Windows stores Hebrew in logical order, but z/OS backwards, in
> printer order?
>
> > ? ?? ?    ?? ??? ??? ??  ? ???
> ?? ??. ?? ,  ?? ???  ?, ???   ?
> ?? ??? ? ?? ?? ?. ? ?  ?? ?? ?? ?? 
> ??  ??? ??? ???, ?/?? ?, ? ?? ? ? ? ?
> ?? ?? ? ??? ?/?? ?? ?? ??.
> >
> BTW, your legal notice is garbled, as above.  Headers said:
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ... seems wrong.
>
> -- gil
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Re: Ftp - no translation but add CRLF

2018-07-29 Thread Gadi Ben-Avi
In this case, it's even more complicated, because the data uses a custom, 
extremely nonstandard, code page, that encodes, English, Hebrew and Arabic 
characters.
That is the reason they are looking for a way to not translate the data, but 
add CRLF.

Gadi

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Paul Gilmartin
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Subject: Re: Ftp - no translation but add CRLF

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On 2018-07-29, at 05:23:00, Gadi Ben-Avi wrote:
>
> Is it possible to tell ftp to transfer a file from z/OS to windows without 
> translating the data, but adding CRLF at the end of each record?
>
> We are using z/OS v2.1
>
BTW, are your data Hebrew?  Will you encounter further problems because, I 
understand, Windows stores Hebrew in logical order, but z/OS backwards, in 
printer order?

> ? ?? ?    ?? ??? ??? ??  ? ??? ?? 
> ??. ?? ,  ?? ???  ?, ???   ? ?? ??? 
> ? ?? ?? ?. ? ?  ?? ?? ?? ??  ??  
> ??? ??? ???, ?/?? ?, ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?? ?? ? 
> ??? ?/?? ?? ?? ??.
>
BTW, your legal notice is garbled, as above.  Headers said:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ... seems wrong.

-- gil

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מסחרית. כל הצעה, התחייבות או מצג מטעם החברה, מחייבים מסמך נפרד וחתום על ידי 
מורשה החתימה של החברה. החברה רשאית לנטר כל תכתובת העוברת בשרתיה והיא לא תישא 
באחריות לכל נזק, ו/או אובדן, שיבוש או פגיעה במידע כלשהו שנגרם מסיבות של תקיפה 
חיצונית ו/או זדונית על הארגון.

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Re: Ftp - no translation but add CRLF

2018-07-29 Thread Paul Gilmartin
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On 2018-07-29, at 05:23:00, Gadi Ben-Avi wrote:
> 
> Is it possible to tell ftp to transfer a file from z/OS to windows without 
> translating the data, but adding CRLF at the end of each record?
> 
> We are using z/OS v2.1
>  
BTW, are your data Hebrew?  Will you encounter further problems because,
I understand, Windows stores Hebrew in logical order, but z/OS backwards,
in printer order?

> ? ?? ?    ?? ??? ??? ??  ? ??? ?? 
> ??. ?? ,  ?? ???  ?, ???   ? ?? ??? 
> ? ?? ?? ?. ? ?  ?? ?? ?? ??  ??  
> ??? ??? ???, ?/?? ?, ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?? ?? ? 
> ??? ?/?? ?? ?? ??.
>  
BTW, your legal notice is garbled, as above.  Headers said:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
... seems wrong.

-- gil

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Re: Ftp - no translation but add CRLF

2018-07-29 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sun, 29 Jul 2018 11:23:00 +, Gadi Ben-Avi wrote:
>
>Is it possible to tell ftp to transfer a file from z/OS to windows without 
>translating the data, but adding CRLF at the end of each record?
>
>We are using z/OS v2.1
>
>The client is the standard windows ftp client.
> 
I don't know.  Faced with such a problem once, I found it a genuine pain that
SITE SBDATACONN *requires* that one code page be  ASCII and the other
EBCDIC.  Otherwise, you could set both code pages to, e.g. 819 and transfer
as ASCII.

Should be an RFE to relax the restriction.

-- gil

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Ftp - no translation but add CRLF

2018-07-29 Thread Gadi Ben-Avi
Hi,

Is it possible to tell ftp to transfer a file from z/OS to windows without 
translating the data, but adding CRLF at the end of each record?

We are using z/OS v2.1

The client is the standard windows ftp client.

Gadi

? ?? ?    ?? ??? ??? ??  ? ??? ?? 
??. ?? ,  ?? ???  ?, ???   ? ?? ??? 
? ?? ?? ?. ? ?  ?? ?? ?? ??  ??  
??? ??? ???, ?/?? ?, ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?? ?? ? 
??? ?/?? ?? ?? ??.

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