Re: General question about toleration maintenance
On Sat, 9 Feb 2019 20:04:20 -0600, Joel C. Ewing wrote: >Normally "Toleration PTF" is a term used for a PTF for version A of a >product to keep it from going bonkers when it sees some construct >introduced by new feature in a later version B of the same product. That is one form of toleration PTF. Another is a PTF to a third party product so that it will work with a new release of the operating system or of some other product, for example, a compiler. Yet another is so that the product will be able to run in the presence of new hardware. -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: General question about toleration maintenance
Normally "Toleration PTF" is a term used for a PTF for version A of a product to keep it from going bonkers when it sees some construct introduced by new feature in a later version B of the same product. Generally "toleration" implies it may not be able to fully honor a new construct, but at least it won't blow up or do something harmful when it is encountered.. If a product requires a PTF in order to function on a specific version of z/OS, that would normally be described as a dependency or a "required" PTF, not as a toleration PTF. One would hope the vendor for the product would state clearly whether or not that PTF could be installed and the product still function while running on the older z/OS, or if one or both of those acts had to be under the new z/OS environment. The correct answer depends on the vendor's design and how sensitive the product is to z/OS internals. Joel C. Ewing On 2/8/19 10:08 AM, Jake Anderson wrote: > Hi > > Apology for not being clear > > For example a product with a toleration maintenance PTF UA supplied > to run on z/OS 2.3. > > Currently the product is running on zOS 2.2. > > My question is PTF UA can be applied even if the z/OS operating system > is 2.2 without the need of z/OS 2.3 library ? > > As I had a curiousity if the PTF needs zOS 2.3 maclibs to assemble and > linkedit the new module ? or the ISVs build the PTF in their own zOS 2.3 > environment and supply it along with PTF ? > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 8 Feb, 2019, 8:00 PM Joel C. Ewing >> On 2/8/19 7:13 AM, R.S. wrote: >>> W dniu 2019-02-08 o 02:01, Jake Anderson pisze: Hi, When a toleration maintenance(PTF) is made for a product to support new z/OS release. Is it always we need the z/OS new release library to be present or to be updated in products DDDEF while apply toleration PTF ? Or else vendor would have already assembled and made the load module in PTF and it just gets copied to target library without the need of assembly and link edit ? >>> Honestly,... I don't understand your English. >>> What is the question? >>> >>> Any PTF is for some product. It does modify (or add) product libraries. >>> The way how it's applied depends on PTF content. >>> >> As near I decipher the orginal question, what was meant was: >> I have product A, I plan to install product B, there is toleration >> maintenance for product A to tolerate product B, do I need anything >> associated with product B in order to install toleration maintenance for >> A. >> >> The answer is NO. Any toleration maintenance for product A is for the >> FMIDs associated with product A and is only dependent on product A and >> any pre-requisite/co-requisite products you already have installed for >> product A and the SMP/E zones and data sets associated with product A. >> >> This is true whether the products involved are versions of z/OS or some >> other product. You generally need the toleration PTFs in place for A >> before running version B against any production volumes or data used >> with version A. This is true whether you plan to run both versions A >> and B concurrently, or just serially as in upgrading from A to B. One >> rare possibility you should always be prepared to deal with is finding >> some issue unique to your installation that cannot be quickly resolved >> that might force you to revert back to version A after your data and >> volumes have been touched and potentially changed using version B. >> JC Ewing >> >> -- >> Joel C. Ewing >> >> ... -- Joel C. Ewing -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: General question about toleration maintenance
Hi Jake, I work on CA Allocate and CA Disk. From a customer perspective you can apply the compatibility PTFs for a new z/OS release to these products and continue to run on the current z/OS release. We assemble the compatibility PTFs with macros from the new release. Outside of the macros, we do not make any copies of new or old release environments. Before we make the compatibilty PTFs available, we test on the new z/OS and all current z/OS releases. When we do have to publish PTFs for a new release of z/OS, we supply fixcat holddata so that you don't need to visit the support webpage of each product and do a cut and paste of PTF numbers. For example, the fix category for z/OS 2.3 is "CA.TargetSystem-RequiredService.z/OS.V2R3". All of our PTF delivery methods (CA Support online, MSM, and RECEIVE ORDER) are capable of delivering the prereqs along with the compatibility PTF. Bob Longabaugh Broadcom Storage Management On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 10:16 AM Carmen Vitullo wrote: > That is the intent of toleration or coexistence mant or PTF's for the > running system, not the system or zone you are about to install. if you > have a 2.3 zone, you'll prolly see the PTF will not receive or apply ++NO > APPLICABLE VERS, toleration is for the system you are currently running > > Carmen Vitullo > > - Original Message - > > From: "Jake Anderson" > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 10:08:29 AM > Subject: Re: General question about toleration maintenance > > Hi > > Apology for not being clear > > For example a product with a toleration maintenance PTF UA supplied > to run on z/OS 2.3. > > Currently the product is running on zOS 2.2. > > My question is PTF UA can be applied even if the z/OS operating system > is 2.2 without the need of z/OS 2.3 library ? > > As I had a curiousity if the PTF needs zOS 2.3 maclibs to assemble and > linkedit the new module ? or the ISVs build the PTF in their own zOS 2.3 > environment and supply it along with PTF ? > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 8 Feb, 2019, 8:00 PM Joel C. Ewing > > On 2/8/19 7:13 AM, R.S. wrote: > > > W dniu 2019-02-08 o 02:01, Jake Anderson pisze: > > >> Hi, > > >> > > >> When a toleration maintenance(PTF) is made for a product to support > new > > >> z/OS release. Is it always we need the z/OS new release library to be > > >> present or to be updated in products DDDEF while apply toleration PTF > > >> ? Or > > >> else vendor would have already assembled and made the load module in > PTF > > >> and it just gets copied to target library without the need of > > >> assembly and > > >> link edit ? > > > > > > Honestly,... I don't understand your English. > > > What is the question? > > > > > > Any PTF is for some product. It does modify (or add) product > libraries. > > > The way how it's applied depends on PTF content. > > > > > As near I decipher the orginal question, what was meant was: > > I have product A, I plan to install product B, there is toleration > > maintenance for product A to tolerate product B, do I need anything > > associated with product B in order to install toleration maintenance for > > A. > > > > The answer is NO. Any toleration maintenance for product A is for the > > FMIDs associated with product A and is only dependent on product A and > > any pre-requisite/co-requisite products you already have installed for > > product A and the SMP/E zones and data sets associated with product A. > > > > This is true whether the products involved are versions of z/OS or some > > other product. You generally need the toleration PTFs in place for A > > before running version B against any production volumes or data used > > with version A. This is true whether you plan to run both versions A > > and B concurrently, or just serially as in upgrading from A to B. One > > rare possibility you should always be prepared to deal with is finding > > some issue unique to your installation that cannot be quickly resolved > > that might force you to revert back to version A after your data and > > volumes have been touched and potentially changed using version B. > > JC Ewing > > > > -- > > Joel C. Ewing > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > Fo
Re: General question about toleration maintenance
That is the intent of toleration or coexistence mant or PTF's for the running system, not the system or zone you are about to install. if you have a 2.3 zone, you'll prolly see the PTF will not receive or apply ++NO APPLICABLE VERS, toleration is for the system you are currently running Carmen Vitullo - Original Message - From: "Jake Anderson" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 10:08:29 AM Subject: Re: General question about toleration maintenance Hi Apology for not being clear For example a product with a toleration maintenance PTF UA supplied to run on z/OS 2.3. Currently the product is running on zOS 2.2. My question is PTF UA can be applied even if the z/OS operating system is 2.2 without the need of z/OS 2.3 library ? As I had a curiousity if the PTF needs zOS 2.3 maclibs to assemble and linkedit the new module ? or the ISVs build the PTF in their own zOS 2.3 environment and supply it along with PTF ? On Fri, 8 Feb, 2019, 8:00 PM Joel C. Ewing On 2/8/19 7:13 AM, R.S. wrote: > > W dniu 2019-02-08 o 02:01, Jake Anderson pisze: > >> Hi, > >> > >> When a toleration maintenance(PTF) is made for a product to support new > >> z/OS release. Is it always we need the z/OS new release library to be > >> present or to be updated in products DDDEF while apply toleration PTF > >> ? Or > >> else vendor would have already assembled and made the load module in PTF > >> and it just gets copied to target library without the need of > >> assembly and > >> link edit ? > > > > Honestly,... I don't understand your English. > > What is the question? > > > > Any PTF is for some product. It does modify (or add) product libraries. > > The way how it's applied depends on PTF content. > > > As near I decipher the orginal question, what was meant was: > I have product A, I plan to install product B, there is toleration > maintenance for product A to tolerate product B, do I need anything > associated with product B in order to install toleration maintenance for > A. > > The answer is NO. Any toleration maintenance for product A is for the > FMIDs associated with product A and is only dependent on product A and > any pre-requisite/co-requisite products you already have installed for > product A and the SMP/E zones and data sets associated with product A. > > This is true whether the products involved are versions of z/OS or some > other product. You generally need the toleration PTFs in place for A > before running version B against any production volumes or data used > with version A. This is true whether you plan to run both versions A > and B concurrently, or just serially as in upgrading from A to B. One > rare possibility you should always be prepared to deal with is finding > some issue unique to your installation that cannot be quickly resolved > that might force you to revert back to version A after your data and > volumes have been touched and potentially changed using version B. > JC Ewing > > -- > Joel C. Ewing > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: General question about toleration maintenance
Hi Apology for not being clear For example a product with a toleration maintenance PTF UA supplied to run on z/OS 2.3. Currently the product is running on zOS 2.2. My question is PTF UA can be applied even if the z/OS operating system is 2.2 without the need of z/OS 2.3 library ? As I had a curiousity if the PTF needs zOS 2.3 maclibs to assemble and linkedit the new module ? or the ISVs build the PTF in their own zOS 2.3 environment and supply it along with PTF ? On Fri, 8 Feb, 2019, 8:00 PM Joel C. Ewing On 2/8/19 7:13 AM, R.S. wrote: > > W dniu 2019-02-08 o 02:01, Jake Anderson pisze: > >> Hi, > >> > >> When a toleration maintenance(PTF) is made for a product to support new > >> z/OS release. Is it always we need the z/OS new release library to be > >> present or to be updated in products DDDEF while apply toleration PTF > >> ? Or > >> else vendor would have already assembled and made the load module in PTF > >> and it just gets copied to target library without the need of > >> assembly and > >> link edit ? > > > > Honestly,... I don't understand your English. > > What is the question? > > > > Any PTF is for some product. It does modify (or add) product libraries. > > The way how it's applied depends on PTF content. > > > As near I decipher the orginal question, what was meant was: > I have product A, I plan to install product B, there is toleration > maintenance for product A to tolerate product B, do I need anything > associated with product B in order to install toleration maintenance for > A. > > The answer is NO. Any toleration maintenance for product A is for the > FMIDs associated with product A and is only dependent on product A and > any pre-requisite/co-requisite products you already have installed for > product A and the SMP/E zones and data sets associated with product A. > > This is true whether the products involved are versions of z/OS or some > other product. You generally need the toleration PTFs in place for A > before running version B against any production volumes or data used > with version A. This is true whether you plan to run both versions A > and B concurrently, or just serially as in upgrading from A to B. One > rare possibility you should always be prepared to deal with is finding > some issue unique to your installation that cannot be quickly resolved > that might force you to revert back to version A after your data and > volumes have been touched and potentially changed using version B. > JC Ewing > > -- > Joel C. Ewing > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: General question about toleration maintenance
On 2/8/19 7:13 AM, R.S. wrote: > W dniu 2019-02-08 o 02:01, Jake Anderson pisze: >> Hi, >> >> When a toleration maintenance(PTF) is made for a product to support new >> z/OS release. Is it always we need the z/OS new release library to be >> present or to be updated in products DDDEF while apply toleration PTF >> ? Or >> else vendor would have already assembled and made the load module in PTF >> and it just gets copied to target library without the need of >> assembly and >> link edit ? > > Honestly,... I don't understand your English. > What is the question? > > Any PTF is for some product. It does modify (or add) product libraries. > The way how it's applied depends on PTF content. > As near I decipher the orginal question, what was meant was: I have product A, I plan to install product B, there is toleration maintenance for product A to tolerate product B, do I need anything associated with product B in order to install toleration maintenance for A. The answer is NO. Any toleration maintenance for product A is for the FMIDs associated with product A and is only dependent on product A and any pre-requisite/co-requisite products you already have installed for product A and the SMP/E zones and data sets associated with product A. This is true whether the products involved are versions of z/OS or some other product. You generally need the toleration PTFs in place for A before running version B against any production volumes or data used with version A. This is true whether you plan to run both versions A and B concurrently, or just serially as in upgrading from A to B. One rare possibility you should always be prepared to deal with is finding some issue unique to your installation that cannot be quickly resolved that might force you to revert back to version A after your data and volumes have been touched and potentially changed using version B. JC Ewing -- Joel C. Ewing -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: General question about toleration maintenance
W dniu 2019-02-08 o 02:01, Jake Anderson pisze: Hi, When a toleration maintenance(PTF) is made for a product to support new z/OS release. Is it always we need the z/OS new release library to be present or to be updated in products DDDEF while apply toleration PTF ? Or else vendor would have already assembled and made the load module in PTF and it just gets copied to target library without the need of assembly and link edit ? Honestly,... I don't understand your English. What is the question? Any PTF is for some product. It does modify (or add) product libraries. The way how it's applied depends on PTF content. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland == Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub zapisałeś na dysku). Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na 01.01.2018 r. wynosi 169.248.488 złotych. If you are not the addressee of this message: - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have printed out or saved). This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar action, violates the law and may be penalised. mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District Court for the Capital City of Warsaw, 12th Commercial Division of the National Court Register, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Fully paid-up share capital amounting to PLN 169,248,488 as at 1 January 2018. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
General question about toleration maintenance
Hi, When a toleration maintenance(PTF) is made for a product to support new z/OS release. Is it always we need the z/OS new release library to be present or to be updated in products DDDEF while apply toleration PTF ? Or else vendor would have already assembled and made the load module in PTF and it just gets copied to target library without the need of assembly and link edit ? Jake -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
