Re: IBM z16 Model A02 Announcement

[kekronbekron]

If you have time, could you give us some examples of the interesting deployment 
options?
Apart from the "embedded" DS8K you've mentioned.

Thank you!

- KB

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On Monday, April 17th, 2023 at 10:17 AM, Timothy Sipples  
wrote:


> Enzo D'Amato wrote:
> 
> > I think that it's very good that we now have something like the
> > multiprise 3000 back again.
> 
> 
> Radoslaw Skorupka wrote:
> 
> > IMHO "back again" is not correct
> 
> 
> I assume Enzo's point is that IBM hasn't offered a physical model mainframe 
> in less than a single frame form factor for many, many years. Until now. 
> Prior to the IBM z16 AGZ (and LinuxONE Rockhopper 4 AGL) the physically 
> smallest mainframe required a whole rack footprint, a rack that IBM supplied. 
> Now it doesn't; the physical dimensions are much smaller.
> 
> There was some significant progress in recent years to pave the way for these 
> rack mount models. One big change was between the IBM z13s/LinuxONE 
> Rockhopper I and the IBM z14 ZR1/LinuxONE Rockhopper II. In that model cycle 
> IBM reduced the frame size significantly, converging on the industry standard 
> 19 inch rack size. And those models (and the IBM z15/LinuxONE III LT2) also 
> have some optional internal mounting space for a few use cases. As a notable 
> example, you can equip those models with internal ECKD storage (IBM DS8910F).
> 
> But I agree with Enzo that these new rack mount models available in most 
> countries are attractive. They open up some interesting new deployment 
> options.
> 
> — — — — —
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Re: IBM z16 Model A02 Announcement

[Timothy Sipples]

Enzo D'Amato wrote:
>I think that it's very good that we now have something like the
>multiprise 3000 back again.

Radoslaw Skorupka wrote:
>IMHO "back again" is not correct

I assume Enzo's point is that IBM hasn't offered a physical model mainframe in 
less than a single frame form factor for many, many years. Until now. Prior to 
the IBM z16 AGZ (and LinuxONE Rockhopper 4 AGL) the physically smallest 
mainframe required a whole rack footprint, a rack that IBM supplied. Now it 
doesn't; the physical dimensions are much smaller.

There was some significant progress in recent years to pave the way for these 
rack mount models. One big change was between the IBM z13s/LinuxONE Rockhopper 
I and the IBM z14 ZR1/LinuxONE Rockhopper II. In that model cycle IBM reduced 
the frame size significantly, converging on the industry standard 19 inch rack 
size. And those models (and the IBM z15/LinuxONE III LT2) also have some 
optional internal mounting space for a few use cases. As a notable example, you 
can equip those models with internal ECKD storage (IBM DS8910F).

But I agree with Enzo that these new rack mount models available in most 
countries are attractive. They open up some interesting new deployment options.

— — — — —
Timothy Sipples
Senior Architect
Digital Assets, Industry Solutions, and Cybersecurity
IBM zSystems/LinuxONE, Asia-Pacific
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Re: IBM z16 Model A02 Announcement

[Radoslaw Skorupka]

IMHO "back again" is not correct.
We have tenth generation of BC aka T02 aka A02 aka 800 machine 
(z800-z890...z15T02-z16A02). Before z we had MP 3000. Before that we 
had  MP 2000. But before that we had ES/9000 9221 and before that we had 
"S370 compatible" 9370. That's over 30 years of small machines 
existence. Not to mention model 20 of S/360 :-)
Of course every new generation is somehow better than old one. A big 
change was with z800, which was "full featured small size" machine - you 
could have everything as in z900, but not so much. That include OSA, 
sysplex links, crypto HW, FICON, etc.


My €0.02


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W dniu 04.04.2023 o 22:23, Enzo D'Amato pisze:

I think that it's very good that we now have something like the multiprise 3000 back 
again. I think having smaller systems available for the "mainframe curious" 
will help a lot in getting new companies on the platform.

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Re: IBM z16 Model A02 Announcement

[Tony Thigpen]

When we were looking at a DS8k, it was cheaper to buy it in the rack vs. 
buying the model you could install into the gap in the new z 19-inch 
rack CPU. I wonder if the same will be true for the z16?


Tony Thigpen

Tom Brennan wrote on 4/6/23 16:45:
That's how I see it: the ability to add a switch or disk or R42 or 
whatever to the unused space.  But someone I work with brought up 
another possibility, that it could make non-mainframe Linux folks feel 
more at home with the hardware.


The 19" racks sure look a lot nicer in a datacenter.  I was at one a few 
weeks ago with nice neat lines of 19" racks heading off to the horizon, 
but in the middle a few z14's were poking their big doors out into the 
aisle.  One z14 was then replaced with a z16, which unfortunately left a 
hole.  But hey, that can now be used as a shortcut between the long aisles.


On 4/6/2023 12:35 PM, Mike Schwab wrote:

At least it was a rack you could put next to your other racks.
Previously you had to have a stand alone area.  And doing the half
rack allows you to install a small disk system for a 1 rack mainframe
and disk.

On Thu, Apr 6, 2023 at 2:28 PM Pew, Curtis G
 wrote:


On Apr 6, 2023, at 2:21 PM, Alan Altmark 
mailto:alan_altm...@us.ibm.com>> wrote:


It's not a new concept, Enzo.  IBM has always had models at the low 
end, and this is the 3rd generation in a row to be available in a 
19-inch form factor (rack mount).


But isn’t it the first time IBM is advertising “you can put it in 
your own rack”? The z14 ZR1 and z15 came in 19” racks, but you had to 
use the one from IBM that came with the system.



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Re: IBM z16 Model A02 Announcement

[Tom Brennan]

That's how I see it: the ability to add a switch or disk or R42 or 
whatever to the unused space.  But someone I work with brought up 
another possibility, that it could make non-mainframe Linux folks feel 
more at home with the hardware.


The 19" racks sure look a lot nicer in a datacenter.  I was at one a few 
weeks ago with nice neat lines of 19" racks heading off to the horizon, 
but in the middle a few z14's were poking their big doors out into the 
aisle.  One z14 was then replaced with a z16, which unfortunately left a 
hole.  But hey, that can now be used as a shortcut between the long aisles.


On 4/6/2023 12:35 PM, Mike Schwab wrote:

At least it was a rack you could put next to your other racks.
Previously you had to have a stand alone area.  And doing the half
rack allows you to install a small disk system for a 1 rack mainframe
and disk.

On Thu, Apr 6, 2023 at 2:28 PM Pew, Curtis G
 wrote:


On Apr 6, 2023, at 2:21 PM, Alan Altmark 
mailto:alan_altm...@us.ibm.com>> wrote:

It's not a new concept, Enzo.  IBM has always had models at the low end, and 
this is the 3rd generation in a row to be available in a 19-inch form factor 
(rack mount).

But isn’t it the first time IBM is advertising “you can put it in your own 
rack”? The z14 ZR1 and z15 came in 19” racks, but you had to use the one from 
IBM that came with the system.


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Re: IBM z16 Model A02 Announcement

[Mike Schwab]

At least it was a rack you could put next to your other racks.
Previously you had to have a stand alone area.  And doing the half
rack allows you to install a small disk system for a 1 rack mainframe
and disk.

On Thu, Apr 6, 2023 at 2:28 PM Pew, Curtis G
 wrote:
>
> On Apr 6, 2023, at 2:21 PM, Alan Altmark 
> mailto:alan_altm...@us.ibm.com>> wrote:
>
> It's not a new concept, Enzo.  IBM has always had models at the low end, and 
> this is the 3rd generation in a row to be available in a 19-inch form factor 
> (rack mount).
>
> But isn’t it the first time IBM is advertising “you can put it in your own 
> rack”? The z14 ZR1 and z15 came in 19” racks, but you had to use the one from 
> IBM that came with the system.
>
>
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Re: IBM z16 Model A02 Announcement

[Pew, Curtis G]

On Apr 6, 2023, at 2:21 PM, Alan Altmark 
mailto:alan_altm...@us.ibm.com>> wrote:

It's not a new concept, Enzo.  IBM has always had models at the low end, and 
this is the 3rd generation in a row to be available in a 19-inch form factor 
(rack mount).

But isn’t it the first time IBM is advertising “you can put it in your own 
rack”? The z14 ZR1 and z15 came in 19” racks, but you had to use the one from 
IBM that came with the system.


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Re: IBM z16 Model A02 Announcement

[Alan Altmark]

On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 20:23:21 +, Enzo D'Amato  
wrote:

>I think that it's very good that we now have something like the multiprise 
>3000 back again. I think having smaller systems available for the "mainframe 
>curious" will help a lot in getting new companies on the platform.

It's not a new concept, Enzo.  IBM has always had models at the low end, and 
this is the 3rd generation in a row to be available in a 19-inch form factor 
(rack mount).

Alan Altmark
IBM

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Re: IBM z16 Model A02 Announcement

[Enzo D'Amato]

I think that it's very good that we now have something like the multiprise 3000 
back again. I think having smaller systems available for the "mainframe 
curious" will help a lot in getting new companies on the platform.

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Re: IBM z16 Model A02 Announcement

[Mark Regan]

The SOD is at
https://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/ShowDoc.wss?docURL=/common/ssi/rep_ca/2/897/ENUS123-002/index.html#sodx

Regards,

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On Tue, Apr 4, 2023 at 10:25 AM P H <
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> Re no statements of direction. Maybe there aren't any at this time. There
> were a few when the z16 Model A01 was announced.
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> There are no Statement of Direction in announcement.
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>
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Re: IBM z16 Model A02 Announcement

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Re no statements of direction. Maybe there aren't any at this time. There were 
a few when the z16 Model A01 was announced.

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There are no Statement of Direction in announcement.


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[Frederic Mancini]

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RES: IBM z16 Model A02 Announcement

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There are no Statement of Direction in announcement. 


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IBM z16 Model A02 Announcement

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