Re: LOOKAT gone? - Doc Buddy? Seriously?

[Jialei Ma]

Susan, thank you for forwarding us the feedback. Thank you everyone for your 
comments and suggestions for the IBM Doc Buddy app.

I am Yvonne Ma, project manager of the app. You can send any future comments 
for the app to our support email account spt...@cn.ibm.com. We also would like 
to understand more about the jumpy list problem some of you mentioned. We'd 
appreciate it if any of you will be able to clarify the problem you encountered 
by writing to us. 

Here are our responses to some of your suggestions:
* Message downloads and new user tutorials
We agree that it will be helpful to point first-time users to the download page 
and add other tutorials. We've added this to our requirements list. I'd also 
like to mention that we've started working on the online lookup function; that 
is, you will no longer need to download the message sets before looking up a 
message in a future release.

* Mapping between a message prefix and component
Our app provides the mapping of a message prefix to the component that you need 
to download. For instance, if you enter AB as a message prefix, CICS, MVS, 
z/TPF, and z/VM will be displayed on the More tab as recommended components for 
you to download as these components have messages that start with AB. Again, we 
believe that we need to improve the current wording on the Local tab to make 
the mapping provided more obvious. 

* Download status meter
As Susan has pointed it out, once you start to download a certain release, the 
download status meter is shown on the More tab. Another place to manage or view 
the download status or downloaded components is the Management tab from the 
Components menu.

* Keyboard disappearing when all text is cleared
Thank you for the suggestion. We will fix this in a future release. 

Thank you all again for your feedback. We will continue improving the app in 
future updates. 

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Re: LOOKAT gone? - Doc Buddy? Seriously?

[David Cole]

Byzantine!!! Boy you can say that again!



At 12/7/2016 12:13 PM, Gord Tomlin wrote:


On 2016-12-06 17:03, Dave Juraschek wrote:

Apparently UX/UI is big stuff now.
It has been for a long time. Jakob Nielsen has been leading the 
charge in this space for years: https://www.nngroup.com/
A good (and short!) book on the topic is "Don't Make Me Think" by 
Steve Krug.
IBM's Byzantine web sites and web apps suggest that they haven't 
been looking.

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Re: LOOKAT gone? - Doc Buddy? Seriously?

[Gord Tomlin]

On 2016-12-06 17:03, Dave Juraschek wrote:

Apparently UX/UI is big stuff now.


It has been for a long time. Jakob Nielsen has been leading the charge 
in this space for years: https://www.nngroup.com/


A good (and short!) book on the topic is "Don't Make Me Think" by Steve 
Krug.


IBM's Byzantine web sites and web apps suggest that they haven't been 
looking.


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Re: LOOKAT gone? - Doc Buddy? Seriously?

[Dave Juraschek]

I agree.

Apparently UX/UI is big stuff now.  

Still IBM, the once biggest computing company, doesn't see this stuff as 
relevant or important.   

IBM is still green screen, block thought, SNA exclusive oriented.

My son is now getting his Masters in UX/UI  (User Experience/User Interface).

Why isn't IBM snatching these kids up?

They are all going to companies who design web thingies and web services.  The 
current erotica.

I am so disappointed.

I wish my son could have had a future in an IBM system.  (A Tim Allen "Ruhr" 
system.)

Probably not.  

Linux/Oracle/MS is the future of computing.

IBM has abandoned anything else.

So sad.

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Re: LOOKAT gone? - Doc Buddy? Seriously?

[Susan Shumway]

Hi Tony,

I emailed the "spt...@cn.ibm.com" address that you also found. That's 
the official contact address for the IBM Doc Buddy development team, 
which is located in China (hence the "cn"). It's the only vehicle I know 
of for commenting or reporting problems on the app. From what I've 
heard, they've very responsive.


Please email this (excellent) additional feedback directly to them so 
you're not stuck with a middlewoman.


-Sue Shumway

On 12/05/16 9:03 PM, Tony Harminc wrote:

On 5 December 2016 at 17:35, Susan Shumway  wrote:


This is actually very valuable feedback - thanks! I forwarded it on to the
Doc Buddy team.



Hi again, Susan. Is there somewhere official (or semi-official) to sumit
problems with Doc Buddy. I imagine it's not formally supported, but I'm not
sure if all the whining here on IBM-MAIN is the best way to get info to the
developers.

There is a home page ibmdocbuddy.mybluemix.net but no forum or FAQ or the
like. The contact info is a mailto: link to spt...@cn.ibm.com .

Nonetheless I will start here with some new and two previously reported
issues, and maybe you can forward.

1) I run my Android phone with font size set to Huge. This app does not
handle that at all well. This is not uncommon, because so many Android
developers are, shall we say, around 22 years old, and have no idea what
kind of vision issues we 60+ types have. So I find truncated keywords, the
download file choice says "Release date: 2016-08-19 Size..." (with no way
to see the rest), impossibly tiny items (the "% downloaded" icon looks to
be about 3x3 pixels; I literally got out a magnifying glass because even my
reading glasses wouldn't make it visible). I suggest to them that they set
their phone to huge fonts and check out their own app.

2) The disappearing keyboard problem is real and annoying. This clearly
does not follow Android design principles. Without being able to articulate
those principles directly, as an end user I am now quite comfortably able
to predict when an app will show the keyboard, and when it will go away.
This app is different, and there are also cases where the keyboard does not
go away when it should.

3) One review on Google Play said there are thousands of little files
installed (actually 21,705 files for z/OS MVS on my phone!), and that this
plays havoc with CPU and battery usage and SD-card management. I don't know
about the wisdom of this, but my phone has indeed got unusually warm just
now as I downloaded and looked up a few messages in the z/OS MVS component.
(No, it's not a Galaxy Note 7.) As I write, my phone is losing charge even
though plugged in. Not good!

4) What is the purpose/intent of the "my contact" stuff? I surely don't
need an app that, on the side, stores one single phone number for some
reason. It's certainly not an IBM contact who can help with the messages!
Perhaps if they could explain what this is for I might get it.

5) Navigation in general is odd, and again, doesn't seem to follow Android
expectations. It's unclear why there are two places to enter a message ID.
The main screen is the obvious one, but there's a second level that
(sometimes) remembers things entered, while the main screen does not. This
second level can be reached directly from the menu choice "Search", or one
can back up to it from a message explanation, in which case the little
teardrop editing thing appears for no obvious reason.

Enough for one post.

Tony H.

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Re: LOOKAT gone? - Doc Buddy? Seriously?

[Tony Harminc]

On 5 December 2016 at 17:35, Susan Shumway  wrote:

> This is actually very valuable feedback - thanks! I forwarded it on to the
> Doc Buddy team.
>

Hi again, Susan. Is there somewhere official (or semi-official) to sumit
problems with Doc Buddy. I imagine it's not formally supported, but I'm not
sure if all the whining here on IBM-MAIN is the best way to get info to the
developers.

There is a home page ibmdocbuddy.mybluemix.net but no forum or FAQ or the
like. The contact info is a mailto: link to spt...@cn.ibm.com .

Nonetheless I will start here with some new and two previously reported
issues, and maybe you can forward.

1) I run my Android phone with font size set to Huge. This app does not
handle that at all well. This is not uncommon, because so many Android
developers are, shall we say, around 22 years old, and have no idea what
kind of vision issues we 60+ types have. So I find truncated keywords, the
download file choice says "Release date: 2016-08-19 Size..." (with no way
to see the rest), impossibly tiny items (the "% downloaded" icon looks to
be about 3x3 pixels; I literally got out a magnifying glass because even my
reading glasses wouldn't make it visible). I suggest to them that they set
their phone to huge fonts and check out their own app.

2) The disappearing keyboard problem is real and annoying. This clearly
does not follow Android design principles. Without being able to articulate
those principles directly, as an end user I am now quite comfortably able
to predict when an app will show the keyboard, and when it will go away.
This app is different, and there are also cases where the keyboard does not
go away when it should.

3) One review on Google Play said there are thousands of little files
installed (actually 21,705 files for z/OS MVS on my phone!), and that this
plays havoc with CPU and battery usage and SD-card management. I don't know
about the wisdom of this, but my phone has indeed got unusually warm just
now as I downloaded and looked up a few messages in the z/OS MVS component.
(No, it's not a Galaxy Note 7.) As I write, my phone is losing charge even
though plugged in. Not good!

4) What is the purpose/intent of the "my contact" stuff? I surely don't
need an app that, on the side, stores one single phone number for some
reason. It's certainly not an IBM contact who can help with the messages!
Perhaps if they could explain what this is for I might get it.

5) Navigation in general is odd, and again, doesn't seem to follow Android
expectations. It's unclear why there are two places to enter a message ID.
The main screen is the obvious one, but there's a second level that
(sometimes) remembers things entered, while the main screen does not. This
second level can be reached directly from the menu choice "Search", or one
can back up to it from a message explanation, in which case the little
teardrop editing thing appears for no obvious reason.

Enough for one post.

Tony H.

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Re: LOOKAT gone? - Doc Buddy? Seriously?

[Susan Shumway]

This is actually very valuable feedback - thanks! I forwarded it on to 
the Doc Buddy team. (I did happen to also see your snark apology, so I 
paraphrased your comments. ;-) )


Here's what I sent. If there's anything any of you want added to it, let 
me know...


A customer recently posted some comments on IBM Doc Buddy on the 
IBM-MAIN listserv. I've paraphrased them here and added some suggestions 
for actions:


It's not at all obvious that users need to download message sets before 
they'll get a result from a search. (Per the customer: "there's no 
mention of this, no startup tips, tricks or just general heads-up is put 
in front of you.. Nothing. You install the app, and you're on your own."
Action: Add something that directs users to download the message sets 
that they need before trying to search. Perhaps, instead of opening the 
app to the search page, it opens to a page that lists the downloaded 
message sets, at least when first opened? Or, perhaps better and 
simpler... many apps have "welcome to the app" pages that first display, 
and users can select to turn them off. Such a page could prove very 
useful here to mention that users need to first download message sets.


It's difficult to know which component to download for certain messages. 
There's no way to tell which component contains which messages.
Action: Make it more obvious which messages are included in which 
components so that users know which components to download. Perhaps have 
two views of the message sets: Component name and message ID prefixes. 
Or maybe have a "more information" option for each component name in the 
list (both the "Components" and "Management" lists) that lists all 
include message ID prefixes.


It's hard to tell if a message set has finished downloading because 
there's no status display.
Action: Add in some sort of status meter that identifies how much of a 
component has downloaded, or at least that it's still downloading and 
when it's finished. (Oh, I now see exactly this in the "More" section 
after a search - please apply it everywhere!)


Per the customer: "The individual messages sets are hidden in dropdowns 
that [go] back into hiding on you rather quickly..." I'm not sure what 
he means here. There's apparently a drop-down that doesn't display long 
enough.


Per the customer: "The components list keeps jumping around on you 
because dropdowns that you've opened up spontaneously close causing the 
page to jump up, jump down, jump whatever." I haven't personally noticed 
this, but apparently it's a problem on some installations. This is 
probably related to the previous item.
Action: Ensure that, when a user expands a component, it stays expanded 
until closed by the user.


The keyboard disappears whenever text is cleared from the search field. 
This looks like a quirk or a bug to me. The keyboard should remain open 
and the cursor remain in the search box even if all text is cleared.
Action: Keep the keyboard open and the cursor placed in the search box 
even if all text is cleared.


On 12/02/16 4:42 PM, David Cole wrote:

There is a phone app called IBM Doc buddy. Try it, you might like it.



Tried it. Don't much like it at all!






Ok, I've just now downloaded and installed Doc Buddy (Android version).
And the best I can say about it is, whoever designed the UI really
didn't put much effort into it. I mean seriously, doesn't IBM put these
things out for real world testing first? Then do they even listen to the
feedback???

#1) So I installed the app, and of course the very first thing I did was
type in some message ids. Nothing too esoteric. just basic ancient stuff
like, I don't know, do you think it'd be able to find IEF450I??? Nope...
ASMA033I? Nope... Anything? Nope nope nopity nope!

#2) It turns out you then have to download... I don't know what IBM
calls them... I'll just call them "message sets". These are organized by
component. But there's no mention of this, no startup tips, tricks or
just general heads-up is put in front of you.. Nothing. You install the
app, and you're on your own. [Pro-tip: Go to the "Component" page.]

#3) So once you've figured you need to download the message definitions,
the next thing you need to know is to which component a particular
message belongs. Quick... does anybody know what IEF540I belongs to?
'Cause  apparently I don't. I've downloaded a bunch, and while other
messages are now findable, the IEF messages aren't. (At least not yet.)

#4) Maybe that message set hasn't downloaded yet. It's hard to tell
because there is no status display. The individual messages sets are
hidden in dropdowns that have the very annoying habit of going back into
hiding on you rather quickly...

#5) And that's another thing. The components list keeps jumping around
on you because dropdowns that you've opened up spontaneously close
causing the page to jump up, jump down, jump whatever. Come on guys!
Can't you stabilize a display long enough for somebody to touch a

Re: LOOKAT gone? - Doc Buddy? Seriously?

[Tom Marchant]

On Fri, 2 Dec 2016 16:42:43 -0500, David Cole wrote:

>Tried it. Don't much like it at all!

I tried it, just to see what it is like. I can't really say that I liked it, 
but then I never liked LOOKAT either. I have Quickref available, and 
it is, IMO, far better than either LOOKAT or Doc Buddy.

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Re: LOOKAT gone? - Doc Buddy? Seriously?

[Gabe Goldberg]

Good luck embarrassing IBM anywhere, including (or especially) at 
shareholders meeting. During the 1980 OCO wars I was involved in 
industry efforts (it wasn't just SHARE/GUIDE, ADAPSO pushed too on 
behalf of software vendor members) fighting. I went to shareholders 
meeting and suggested to IBM Chairman (Akers then, I think) that OCO be 
reevaluated. He'd obviously been briefed in the issue because he was 
ready with all sorts of promises, e.g., that source would removed only 
when it was no longer necessary and abundant exits tailored to user 
requirements would help make source obsolete. At least on the VM side, 
at least for decades, that was utter rubbish.


Funny side note -- though OCO/source was a sore point with IBM for 
several years, I couldn't have wanted a better warm up act at the 
meeting before being called on; I was second. The first speaker 
harangued Akers about needing to unionize IBM. If there was anything 
LESS palatable for IBM than continuing to provide source code, it was 
unionization. So he was probably happy to hear from me.


Clark Morris wrote:

> On 2 Dec 2016 14:30:01 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main
> dbc...@colesoft.com (David Cole) wrote:
>> Yep.
>> But Google does...
> If I were willing to spend the dollars to go to an IBM shareholders
> meeting, I would like to embarrass them abut this and the high
> reliability of the service web-site.


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Re: LOOKAT gone? - Doc Buddy? Seriously!

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 03:00:15 -0500, David Cole wrote:
>...
>But if the worlds of Apples, PCs, iPhones, and Androids
>has show us anything at all,
>it has shown us that skins matter,
>and that UIs matter.
>
>IBM has a decades long history of releasing unpolished products
>and then polishing them up over the next several releases.
>"Making it pretty" was always an afterthought.
>
But when the coarseness is in a programming interface, the
excuse is too often made, "Polishing it would introduce an
incompatibility with existing art."  The analogy should
be pulling off adhesive tape: the quicker you do it, the better.

>I think that's a mistake that used to be tolerable
>in the closed world of expert customers of decades gone by.
>But even experts want nice things too.
> 
About a half century ago, a programmer could sit down with
a stack of manuals and in a few days learn all that was necessary
about OS/360.  Nowadays, it's essential that things be made
uniform to limit that learning burden.

>I think that "making it pretty" should be
>just as important an objective as "making it work".
>Didn't OS/2 losing the desktop wars of the '90s prove that?
>Didn't Steve Jobs prove that?
> 
And z/OS stands to lose the enterprise war by making a
horrible first impression on talented individuals the
enterprise needs.

A couple weeks ago, Walt Farrell and Peter Relson jumped on
me with a harsh (snarky?) form of "RTFM".  In fact, I had read
it; I merely didn't like what I read.  It said that if the programmer
assigns SYSPRINT or SYSTERM to a UNIX file, the programmer
must specify FILEDATA=TEXT.  Hmmm... What if ...?  I tried it
and learned that if I tried FILEDATA=RECORD (a very new form)
or FILEDATA=BINARY (the default) the operand is ignored and
TEXT is presumed.  No warning message; RC=0.

I think I know the history.  Binder supported the equivalent of
FILEDATA=TEXT before the FILEDATA key existed in JCL or
in allocation.  It's probably the most useful option; in that
sense a wise choice.  When allocation introduced FILEDATA,
BINARY was made the default.  Not outstandingly the best
choice, but I'll be neutral on it.  But to respect the BINARY
default would have introduced a behavioral change; Binder
chose to override.

And another sentence appears in tne Reference; one more thing
for the programmer to memorize.  On the whole, bad!

Walt and Peter both told me:

o If I read all the Binder documentation, I know what I must do.

o IBM is under no obligation to treat a programmer's disobedience
  rationally, nor to to document the consequence of disobedience.

They didn't mention that if I want the behavior of BINARY or
RECORD, I'm SOL.

I'm reminded of the first pages of Hitchhiker.

A couple years ago, I noticed that if I supply Binder SYSLIN
with FILEDATA=TEXT ("RECORD" may not have been an available
option at the time), that was ignored and BINARY (admittedly
the default) is presumed.  This can be a PITA.  It means that I
must pad every record to 80 bytes; newlines have no particular
meaning.

I submitted an RCF (perhaps an SR; I don't recall).  I don't know
if anything changed; I had promptly accommodated.  But I'll
check, and if it still behaves as not documented, I'll submit an SR.
I'd bet on WAD and a DOC APAR.  And the interface becomes more
complex, less polished.  This practice will lead z/OS along the
path of OS/2.

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Re: LOOKAT gone? - Doc Buddy? Seriously?

[David Cole]

[but] Seeing the grandchildren has higher priority on my money.


Absolutely!






At 12/2/2016 09:43 PM, Clark Morris wrote:

On 2 Dec 2016 14:30:01 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main 
dbc...@colesoft.com (David Cole) wrote:

Yep.
But Google does...
If I were willing to spend the dollars to go to an IBM shareholders 
meeting, I would like to embarrass them abut this and the high 
reliability of the service web-site.  Seeing the grandchildren has 
higher priority on my money.

Clark Morris





At 12/2/2016 05:24 PM, Nims,Alva John (Al) wrote:

I guess it does not understand HLA yet.
Al Nims
Systems Admin/Programmer 3
UFIT
University of Florida
(352) 273-1298





-Original Message-

From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List
[mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of David Cole
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 5:16 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: LOOKAT gone? - Doc Buddy? Seriously?
Thanks for the tip.


Is the ASMA033I message correct? Could it be ASM033I (without the second A)

Yes, ASMA033I is correct. Google it.
ASMAnnnc messages belong to the High Level Assembler.
ASMnc message belong to the "Auxiliary Storage Manager".
Dave





At 12/2/2016 05:01 PM, Nims,Alva John (Al) wrote:
"#3) So once you've figured you need to download the message 
definitions, the next thing you need to know is to which 
component a particular message belongs. Quick... does anybody 
know what IEF540I belongs to? 'Cause apparently I don't. I've 
downloaded a bunch, and while other messages are now findable, 
the IEF messages aren't. (At least not yet.)"

I am doing this with my Android Phone:
In the area where you typed in the "IEF540I" and pressed "GO" you 
will have under the search box "Local | More"  Press the "More" 
side and it will give you the list of message sets that it thinks it is in.
I did the IEF540I after I had already downloaded the z/OS MVS 
1.13 set and it did not find it, but it presented me with the 
z/OS MVS 2.1 & 2.2 options, so I downloaded the 2.2 version and 
it gave me the message info.

Is the ASMA033I message correct? Could it be ASM033I (without the second A)
Al Nims Systems
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Subject: Re: LOOKAT gone? - Doc Buddy? Seriously?


There is a phone app called IBM Doc buddy. Try it, you might like it.

Tried it. Don't much like it at all!




Ok, I've just now downloaded and installed Doc Buddy (Android 
version). And the best I can say about it is, whoever designed 
the UI really didn't put much effort into it. I mean seriously, 
doesn't IBM put these things out for real world testing first? 
Then do they even listen to the feedback???
#1) So I installed the app, and of course the very first thing I 
did was type in some message ids. Nothing too esoteric. just 
basic ancient stuff like, I don't know, do you think it'd be 
able to find IEF450I??? Nope... ASMA033I? Nope... Anything? Nope 
nope nopity nope!
#2) It turns out you then have to download... I don't know what 
IBM calls them... I'll just call them "message sets". These are 
organized by component. But there's no mention of this, no 
startup tips, tricks or just general heads-up is put in front of 
you..  Nothing. You install the app, and you're on your own. 
[Pro-tip: Go to the "Component" page.]
#3) So once you've figured you need to download the message 
definitions, the next thing you need to know is to which 
component a particular message belongs. Quick... does anybody 
know what IEF540I belongs to? 'Cause apparently I don't. I've 
downloaded a bunch, and while other messages are now findable, 
the IEF messages aren't. (At least not yet.)
#4) Maybe that message set hasn't downloaded yet. It's hard to 
tell because there is no status display. The individual messages 
sets are hidden in dropdowns that have the very annoying habit 
of going back into hiding on you rather quickly...
#5) And that's another thing. The components list keeps jumping 
around on you because dropdowns that you've opened up 
spontaneously close causing the page to jump up, jump down, jump 
whatever. Come on guys! Can't you stabilize a display long 
enough for somebody to touch a button
#6) Oh and the msgid entry field... So you've got your keyboard 
open and you're typing away, and you decide to clear the entire 
field. But when you do so, Boom! the keyboard disappears on you. Why
#7) Googling a msgid turns out to be just plain easier.  I have 
not tried very many IBM apps, but so far every one I've tried 
feels like it's been written by amateurs! My kid grandson can do 
better than this!

Re: LOOKAT gone? - Doc Buddy? Seriously!

[David Cole]

I will admit...
it is easier to be snarky against something anonymous
such as faceless development teams...
I tend to forget that there are real people
working hard to develop something
other people hopefully will like.

I got an email from one of the UI developers/testers.
Someone I may know.
Not sure, he gave only his first name.
But it did bring home to me
that my criticisms could have been couched in more sympathetic terms.
I owe the team an apology.

Snark is something that comes too easily to me...



I want to like Doc Buddy...
I know that it does achieve its fundamental goal,
and that a lot of good work must have gone into it to make that happen.

But if the worlds of Apples, PCs, iPhones, and Androids
has show us anything at all,
it has shown us that skins matter,
and that UIs matter.



I want to like Doc Buddy...
But it has usability issues
that need to be work before I can do so.

IBM has a decades long history of releasing unpolished products
and then polishing them up over the next several releases.
"Making it pretty" was always an afterthought.

I think that's a mistake that used to be tolerable
in the closed world of expert customers of decades gone by.
But even experts want nice things too.

I think that "making it pretty" should be
just as important an objective as "making it work".
Didn't OS/2 losing the desktop wars of the '90s prove that?
Didn't Steve Jobs prove that?

I do think that I hilighted some significant shortcomings in Doc Buddy.
I do hope that someone will take them into consideration
before the next iteration.

I do regret the snark.
Dave

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Re: LOOKAT gone? - Doc Buddy? Seriously?

[Clark Morris]

[Default] On 2 Dec 2016 14:30:01 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main
dbc...@colesoft.com (David Cole) wrote:

>Yep.
>
>But Google does...
>
If I were willing to spend the dollars to go to an IBM shareholders
meeting, I would like to embarrass them abut this and the high
reliability of the service web-site.  Seeing the grandchildren has
higher priority on my money.

Clark Morris
>
>
>
>
>At 12/2/2016 05:24 PM, Nims,Alva John (Al) wrote:
>>I guess it does not understand HLA yet.
>>Al Nims
>>Systems Admin/Programmer 3
>>UFIT
>>University of Florida
>>(352) 273-1298
>>-Original Message-
>>From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
>>[mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of David Cole
>>Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 5:16 PM
>>To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>>Subject: Re: LOOKAT gone? - Doc Buddy? Seriously?
>>Thanks for the tip.
>>
>> >Is the ASMA033I message correct?  Could it be ASM033I (without the
>> >second A)
>>Yes, ASMA033I correct. Google it.
>>ASMAnnnc messages belong to the High Level Assembler.
>>ASMnc message belong to the "Auxiliary Storage Manager".
>>Dave
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>At 12/2/2016 05:01 PM, Nims,Alva John (Al) wrote:
>> >"#3) So once you've figured you need to download the message
>> >definitions, the next thing you need to know is to which component a
>> >particular message belongs. Quick... does anybody know what IEF540I
>> >belongs to? 'Cause  apparently I don't. I've downloaded a bunch, and
>> >while other messages are now findable, the IEF messages aren't. (At
>> >least not yet.)"
>> >I am doing this with my Android Phone:
>> >In the area where you typed in the "IEF540I" and pressed "GO" you
>> >will have under the search box "Local More"  Press the "More"
>> >side and it will give you the list of message sets that it thinks it is
>> >in.  I did the IEF540I after I had already downloaded the z/OS MVS 1.13
>> >set and it did not find it, but it presented me with the z/OS MVS 2.1 &
>> >2.2 options, so I downloaded the 2.2 version and it gave me the message
>> >info.
>> >Is the ASMA033I message correct?  Could it be ASM033I (without the
>> >second A) Al Nims Systems Admin/Programmer 3 UFIT University of Florida
>> >(352) 273-1298
>> >-Original Message-
>> >>From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List
>> >>[mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of David Cole
>> >>Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 4:43 PM
>> >>To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> >>Subject: Re: LOOKAT gone? - Doc Buddy? Seriously?
>> >> >There is a phone app called IBM Doc buddy. Try it, you might like it.
>> >>
>> >>Tried it. Don't much like it at all!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Ok, I've just now downloaded and installed Doc Buddy (Android
>> >>version). And the best I can say about it is, whoever designed the UI
>> >>really didn't put much effort into it. I mean seriously, doesn't IBM
>> >>put these things out for real world testing first? Then do they even
>> >>listen to the feedback???
>> >>#1) So I installed the app, and of course the very first thing I did
>> >>was type in some message ids. Nothing too esoteric. just basic ancient
>> >>stuff like, I don't know, do you think it'd be able to find IEF450I???
>> >>Nope... ASMA033I? Nope... Anything? Nope nope nopity nope!
>> >>#2) It turns out you then have to download... I don't know what IBM
>> >>calls them... I'll just call them "message sets". These are organized
>> >>by component. But there's no mention of this, no startup tips, tricks
>> >>or just general heads-up is put in front of you..
>> >>Nothing. You install the app, and you're on your own. [Pro-tip: Go to
>> >>the "Component" page.]
>> >>#3) So once you've figured you need to download the message
>> >>definitions, the next thing you need to know is to which component a
>> >>particular message belongs. Quick... does anybody know what IEF540I
>> >>belongs to? 'Cause  apparently I don't. I've downloaded a bunch, and
>> >>while other messages are now findable, the IEF messages aren't. (At
>> >>least not yet.)
>> >>#4) Maybe that message set hasn't 

Re: Fw: LOOKAT gone? - Doc Buddy? Seriously?

[David Cole]

Googling ASM11I leads (indirectly) to the following.
Don't those messages pertain to paging?

Dave



ASM messages

z/OS MVS Dump Output Messages
SA23-1378-00


ASM1I
cbname AT adr
ASM10001I
nnn I/O REQUESTS RECEIVED, xxx I/O REQUESTS COMPLETED BY ASM
ASM10002I
PAGE DATA SET nnn IS ON UNIT devnum
ASM10004I
IOSB FOR ABOVE HAD ABNORMAL IOSCOD VALUE X'xxx'
ASM10005I
INVALID cbname AT ADDRESS adr, ASID nnn
ASM10006I
 NON-SWAP WRITE I/O REQUESTS RECEIVED,  NON-SWAP 
WRITE I/O REQUESTS COMPLETED BY ASM








At 12/2/2016 05:28 PM, Jim Mulder wrote:
The MVS "Auxiliary Storage Manager"component prefix is ILR


Jim Mulder z/OS Diagnosis, Design, Development, Test  IBM Corp. Poughkeepsie NY
(845) 435-4741
D10JHM1@PLPSC  (MVS)   JMULDER@S390VM  (VM)
- Forwarded by Jim Mulder/Poughkeepsie/IBM on 12/02/2016 05:26 PM -

From:David Cole 
To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Date:12/02/2016 05:25 PM
Subject:        Re: LOOKAT gone? - Doc Buddy? Seriously?
Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List 




Thanks for the tip.


>Is the ASMA033I message correct?  Could it be ASM033I (without the second A)

Yes, ASMA033I correct. Google it.

ASMAnnnc messages belong to the High Level Assembler.

ASMnc message belong to the "Auxiliary Storage Manager".

Dave






At 12/2/2016 05:01 PM, Nims,Alva John (Al) wrote:
>"#3) So once you've figured you need to download the message
>definitions, the next thing you need to know is to which component a
>particular message belongs. Quick... does anybody know what IEF540I
>belongs to? 'Cause  apparently I don't. I've downloaded a bunch, and
>while other messages are now findable, the IEF messages aren't. (At
>least not yet.)"
>I am doing this with my Android Phone:
>In the area where you typed in the "IEF540I" and pressed "GO" you
>will have under the search box "Local More"  Press the "More"
>side and it will give you the list of message sets that it thinks it
>is in.  I did the IEF540I after I had already downloaded the z/OS
>MVS 1.13 set and it did not find it, but it presented me with the
>z/OS MVS 2.1 & 2.2 options, so I downloaded the 2.2 version and it
>gave me the message info.
>Is the ASMA033I message correct?  Could it be ASM033I (without the second A)
>Al Nims
>Systems Admin/Programmer 3
>UFIT
>University of Florida
>(352) 273-1298
>-Original Message-
>>From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List
>>[mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of David Cole
>>Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 4:43 PM
>>To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>>Subject: Re: LOOKAT gone? - Doc Buddy? Seriously?
>> >There is a phone app called IBM Doc buddy. Try it, you might like it.
>>
>>Tried it. Don't much like it at all!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Ok, I've just now downloaded and installed Doc Buddy (Android
>>version). And the best I can say about it is, whoever designed the
>>UI really didn't put much effort into it. I mean seriously, doesn't
>>IBM put these things out for real world testing first? Then do they
>>even listen to the feedback???
>>#1) So I installed the app, and of course the very first thing I
>>did was type in some message ids. Nothing too esoteric. just basic
>>ancient stuff like, I don't know, do you think it'd be able to find
>>IEF450I??? Nope... ASMA033I? Nope... Anything? Nope nope nopity nope!
>>#2) It turns out you then have to download... I don't know what IBM
>>calls them... I'll just call them "message sets". These are
>>organized by component. But there's no mention of this, no startup
>>tips, tricks or just general heads-up is put in front of you..
>>Nothing. You install the app, and you're on your own. [Pro-tip: Go
>>to the "Component" page.]
>>#3) So once you've figured you need to download the message
>>definitions, the next thing you need to know is to which component
>>a particular message belongs. Quick... does anybody know what
>>IEF540I belongs to? 'Cause  apparently I don't. I've downloaded a
>>bunch, and while other messages are now findable, the IEF messages
>>aren't. (At least not yet.)
>>#4) Maybe that message set hasn't downloaded yet. It's hard to tell
>>because there is no status display. The individual messages sets
>>are hidden in dropdowns that have the very annoying habit of going
>>back into hiding on you rather quickly...
>>#5) And that's another thing. The components list keeps jumping
>>around on you because dropdowns that you've opened up spontaneously
>>close causin

Re: LOOKAT gone? - Doc Buddy? Seriously?

[David Cole]

Yep.

But Google does...






At 12/2/2016 05:24 PM, Nims,Alva John (Al) wrote:

I guess it does not understand HLA yet.
Al Nims
Systems Admin/Programmer 3
UFIT
University of Florida
(352) 273-1298
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
[mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of David Cole

Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 5:16 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: LOOKAT gone? - Doc Buddy? Seriously?
Thanks for the tip.

>Is the ASMA033I message correct?  Could it be ASM033I (without the
>second A)
Yes, ASMA033I correct. Google it.
ASMAnnnc messages belong to the High Level Assembler.
ASMnc message belong to the "Auxiliary Storage Manager".
Dave





At 12/2/2016 05:01 PM, Nims,Alva John (Al) wrote:
>"#3) So once you've figured you need to download the message
>definitions, the next thing you need to know is to which component a
>particular message belongs. Quick... does anybody know what IEF540I
>belongs to? 'Cause  apparently I don't. I've downloaded a bunch, and
>while other messages are now findable, the IEF messages aren't. (At
>least not yet.)"
>I am doing this with my Android Phone:
>In the area where you typed in the "IEF540I" and pressed "GO" you
>will have under the search box "Local More"  Press the "More"
>side and it will give you the list of message sets that it thinks it is
>in.  I did the IEF540I after I had already downloaded the z/OS MVS 1.13
>set and it did not find it, but it presented me with the z/OS MVS 2.1 &
>2.2 options, so I downloaded the 2.2 version and it gave me the message
>info.
>Is the ASMA033I message correct?  Could it be ASM033I (without the
>second A) Al Nims Systems Admin/Programmer 3 UFIT University of Florida
>(352) 273-1298
>-Original Message-
>>From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List
>>[mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of David Cole
>>Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 4:43 PM
>>To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>>Subject: Re: LOOKAT gone? - Doc Buddy? Seriously?
>> >There is a phone app called IBM Doc buddy. Try it, you might like it.
>>
>>Tried it. Don't much like it at all!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Ok, I've just now downloaded and installed Doc Buddy (Android
>>version). And the best I can say about it is, whoever designed the UI
>>really didn't put much effort into it. I mean seriously, doesn't IBM
>>put these things out for real world testing first? Then do they even
>>listen to the feedback???
>>#1) So I installed the app, and of course the very first thing I did
>>was type in some message ids. Nothing too esoteric. just basic ancient
>>stuff like, I don't know, do you think it'd be able to find IEF450I???
>>Nope... ASMA033I? Nope... Anything? Nope nope nopity nope!
>>#2) It turns out you then have to download... I don't know what IBM
>>calls them... I'll just call them "message sets". These are organized
>>by component. But there's no mention of this, no startup tips, tricks
>>or just general heads-up is put in front of you..
>>Nothing. You install the app, and you're on your own. [Pro-tip: Go to
>>the "Component" page.]
>>#3) So once you've figured you need to download the message
>>definitions, the next thing you need to know is to which component a
>>particular message belongs. Quick... does anybody know what IEF540I
>>belongs to? 'Cause  apparently I don't. I've downloaded a bunch, and
>>while other messages are now findable, the IEF messages aren't. (At
>>least not yet.)
>>#4) Maybe that message set hasn't downloaded yet. It's hard to tell
>>because there is no status display. The individual messages sets are
>>hidden in dropdowns that have the very annoying habit of going back
>>into hiding on you rather quickly...
>>#5) And that's another thing. The components list keeps jumping around
>>on you because dropdowns that you've opened up spontaneously close
>>causing the page to jump up, jump down, jump whatever. Come on guys!
>>Can't you stabilize a display long enough for somebody to touch a
>>button
>>
>>#6) Oh and the msgid entry field... So you've got your keyboard open
>>and you're typing away, and you decide to clear the entire field. But
>>when you do so, Boom! the keyboard disappears on you. Why
>>#7) Googling a msgid turns out to be just plain easier.
>>I have not tried very many IBM apps, but so far every one I've tried
>>feels like it's been written by amateurs!
>>My kid grandson can do better

Re: LOOKAT gone? - Doc Buddy? Seriously?

[Nims,Alva John (Al)]

I guess it does not understand HLA yet.

Al Nims
Systems Admin/Programmer 3
UFIT
University of Florida
(352) 273-1298

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of David Cole
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 5:16 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: LOOKAT gone? - Doc Buddy? Seriously?

Thanks for the tip.


>Is the ASMA033I message correct?  Could it be ASM033I (without the 
>second A)

Yes, ASMA033I correct. Google it.

ASMAnnnc messages belong to the High Level Assembler.

ASMnc message belong to the "Auxiliary Storage Manager".

Dave






At 12/2/2016 05:01 PM, Nims,Alva John (Al) wrote:
>"#3) So once you've figured you need to download the message 
>definitions, the next thing you need to know is to which component a 
>particular message belongs. Quick... does anybody know what IEF540I 
>belongs to? 'Cause  apparently I don't. I've downloaded a bunch, and 
>while other messages are now findable, the IEF messages aren't. (At 
>least not yet.)"
>I am doing this with my Android Phone:
>In the area where you typed in the "IEF540I" and pressed "GO" you 
>will have under the search box "Local More"  Press the "More" 
>side and it will give you the list of message sets that it thinks it is 
>in.  I did the IEF540I after I had already downloaded the z/OS MVS 1.13 
>set and it did not find it, but it presented me with the z/OS MVS 2.1 & 
>2.2 options, so I downloaded the 2.2 version and it gave me the message 
>info.
>Is the ASMA033I message correct?  Could it be ASM033I (without the 
>second A) Al Nims Systems Admin/Programmer 3 UFIT University of Florida
>(352) 273-1298
>-Original Message-
>>From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List
>>[mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of David Cole
>>Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 4:43 PM
>>To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>>Subject: Re: LOOKAT gone? - Doc Buddy? Seriously?
>> >There is a phone app called IBM Doc buddy. Try it, you might like it.
>>
>>Tried it. Don't much like it at all!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Ok, I've just now downloaded and installed Doc Buddy (Android 
>>version). And the best I can say about it is, whoever designed the UI 
>>really didn't put much effort into it. I mean seriously, doesn't IBM 
>>put these things out for real world testing first? Then do they even 
>>listen to the feedback???
>>#1) So I installed the app, and of course the very first thing I did 
>>was type in some message ids. Nothing too esoteric. just basic ancient 
>>stuff like, I don't know, do you think it'd be able to find IEF450I??? 
>>Nope... ASMA033I? Nope... Anything? Nope nope nopity nope!
>>#2) It turns out you then have to download... I don't know what IBM 
>>calls them... I'll just call them "message sets". These are organized 
>>by component. But there's no mention of this, no startup tips, tricks 
>>or just general heads-up is put in front of you..
>>Nothing. You install the app, and you're on your own. [Pro-tip: Go to 
>>the "Component" page.]
>>#3) So once you've figured you need to download the message 
>>definitions, the next thing you need to know is to which component a 
>>particular message belongs. Quick... does anybody know what IEF540I 
>>belongs to? 'Cause  apparently I don't. I've downloaded a bunch, and 
>>while other messages are now findable, the IEF messages aren't. (At 
>>least not yet.)
>>#4) Maybe that message set hasn't downloaded yet. It's hard to tell 
>>because there is no status display. The individual messages sets are 
>>hidden in dropdowns that have the very annoying habit of going back 
>>into hiding on you rather quickly...
>>#5) And that's another thing. The components list keeps jumping around 
>>on you because dropdowns that you've opened up spontaneously close 
>>causing the page to jump up, jump down, jump whatever. Come on guys! 
>>Can't you stabilize a display long enough for somebody to touch a 
>>button
>>
>>#6) Oh and the msgid entry field... So you've got your keyboard open 
>>and you're typing away, and you decide to clear the entire field. But 
>>when you do so, Boom! the keyboard disappears on you. Why
>>#7) Googling a msgid turns out to be just plain easier.
>>I have not tried very many IBM apps, but so far every one I've tried 
>>feels like it's been written by amateurs!
>>My kid grandson can do better than this!
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: LOOKAT gone? - Doc Buddy? Seriously?

[David Cole]

Thanks for the tip.



Is the ASMA033I message correct?  Could it be ASM033I (without the second A)


Yes, ASMA033I correct. Google it.

ASMAnnnc messages belong to the High Level Assembler.

ASMnc message belong to the "Auxiliary Storage Manager".

Dave






At 12/2/2016 05:01 PM, Nims,Alva John (Al) wrote:
"#3) So once you've figured you need to download the message 
definitions, the next thing you need to know is to which component a 
particular message belongs. Quick... does anybody know what IEF540I 
belongs to? 'Cause  apparently I don't. I've downloaded a bunch, and 
while other messages are now findable, the IEF messages aren't. (At 
least not yet.)"

I am doing this with my Android Phone:
In the area where you typed in the "IEF540I" and pressed "GO" you 
will have under the search box "Local More"  Press the "More" 
side and it will give you the list of message sets that it thinks it 
is in.  I did the IEF540I after I had already downloaded the z/OS 
MVS 1.13 set and it did not find it, but it presented me with the 
z/OS MVS 2.1 & 2.2 options, so I downloaded the 2.2 version and it 
gave me the message info.

Is the ASMA033I message correct?  Could it be ASM033I (without the second A)
Al Nims
Systems Admin/Programmer 3
UFIT
University of Florida
(352) 273-1298
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
[mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of David Cole

Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 4:43 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: LOOKAT gone? - Doc Buddy? Seriously?
>There is a phone app called IBM Doc buddy. Try it, you might like it.

Tried it. Don't much like it at all!





Ok, I've just now downloaded and installed Doc Buddy (Android 
version). And the best I can say about it is, whoever designed the 
UI really didn't put much effort into it. I mean seriously, doesn't 
IBM put these things out for real world testing first? Then do they 
even listen to the feedback???
#1) So I installed the app, and of course the very first thing I 
did was type in some message ids. Nothing too esoteric. just basic 
ancient stuff like, I don't know, do you think it'd be able to find 
IEF450I??? Nope... ASMA033I? Nope... Anything? Nope nope nopity nope!
#2) It turns out you then have to download... I don't know what IBM 
calls them... I'll just call them "message sets". These are 
organized by component. But there's no mention of this, no startup 
tips, tricks or just general heads-up is put in front of you.. 
Nothing. You install the app, and you're on your own. [Pro-tip: Go 
to the "Component" page.]
#3) So once you've figured you need to download the message 
definitions, the next thing you need to know is to which component 
a particular message belongs. Quick... does anybody know what 
IEF540I belongs to? 'Cause  apparently I don't. I've downloaded a 
bunch, and while other messages are now findable, the IEF messages 
aren't. (At least not yet.)
#4) Maybe that message set hasn't downloaded yet. It's hard to tell 
because there is no status display. The individual messages sets 
are hidden in dropdowns that have the very annoying habit of going 
back into hiding on you rather quickly...
#5) And that's another thing. The components list keeps jumping 
around on you because dropdowns that you've opened up spontaneously 
close causing the page to jump up, jump down, jump whatever. Come 
on guys! Can't you stabilize a display long enough for somebody to 
touch a button


#6) Oh and the msgid entry field... So you've got your keyboard 
open and you're typing away, and you decide to clear the entire 
field. But when you do so, Boom! the keyboard disappears on you. Why

#7) Googling a msgid turns out to be just plain easier.
I have not tried very many IBM apps, but so far every one I've 
tried feels like it's been written by amateurs!

My kid grandson can do better than this!





Ok, I've got the IEFxxx messages now. They were where they 
belonged, it just took a long time for the z/OS MVS messages set to download.

Good thing I've got a nice fat pipe.
But I still don't have the ASMAxxx messages yet. They're apparently 
not in the z/OS MVS component, and I don't see an HLASM component 
available. Really?

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Re: LOOKAT gone? - Doc Buddy? Seriously?

[Nims,Alva John (Al)]

"#3) So once you've figured you need to download the message definitions, the 
next thing you need to know is to which component a particular message belongs. 
Quick... does anybody know what IEF540I belongs to? 'Cause  apparently I don't. 
I've downloaded a bunch, and while other messages are now findable, the IEF 
messages aren't. (At least not yet.)"

I am doing this with my Android Phone:

In the area where you typed in the "IEF540I" and pressed "GO" you will have 
under the search box "Local More"  Press the "More" side and it will give 
you the list of message sets that it thinks it is in.  I did the IEF540I after 
I had already downloaded the z/OS MVS 1.13 set and it did not find it, but it 
presented me with the z/OS MVS 2.1 & 2.2 options, so I downloaded the 2.2 
version and it gave me the message info.

Is the ASMA033I message correct?  Could it be ASM033I (without the second A)

Al Nims
Systems Admin/Programmer 3
UFIT
University of Florida
(352) 273-1298

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of David Cole
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 4:43 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: LOOKAT gone? - Doc Buddy? Seriously?

>There is a phone app called IBM Doc buddy. Try it, you might like it.


Tried it. Don't much like it at all!






Ok, I've just now downloaded and installed Doc Buddy (Android version). And the 
best I can say about it is, whoever designed the UI really didn't put much 
effort into it. I mean seriously, doesn't IBM put these things out for real 
world testing first? Then do they even listen to the feedback???

#1) So I installed the app, and of course the very first thing I did was type 
in some message ids. Nothing too esoteric. just basic ancient stuff like, I 
don't know, do you think it'd be able to find IEF450I??? Nope... ASMA033I? 
Nope... Anything? Nope nope nopity nope!

#2) It turns out you then have to download... I don't know what IBM calls 
them... I'll just call them "message sets". These are organized by component. 
But there's no mention of this, no startup tips, tricks or just general 
heads-up is put in front of you.. Nothing. You install the app, and you're on 
your own. [Pro-tip: Go to the "Component" page.]

#3) So once you've figured you need to download the message definitions, the 
next thing you need to know is to which component a particular message belongs. 
Quick... does anybody know what IEF540I belongs to? 'Cause  apparently I don't. 
I've downloaded a bunch, and while other messages are now findable, the IEF 
messages aren't. (At least not yet.)

#4) Maybe that message set hasn't downloaded yet. It's hard to tell because 
there is no status display. The individual messages sets are hidden in 
dropdowns that have the very annoying habit of going back into hiding on you 
rather quickly...

#5) And that's another thing. The components list keeps jumping around on you 
because dropdowns that you've opened up spontaneously close causing the page to 
jump up, jump down, jump whatever. Come on guys! Can't you stabilize a display 
long enough for somebody to touch a button

#6) Oh and the msgid entry field... So you've got your keyboard open and you're 
typing away, and you decide to clear the entire field. But when you do so, 
Boom! the keyboard disappears on you. Why

#7) Googling a msgid turns out to be just plain easier.

I have not tried very many IBM apps, but so far every one I've tried feels like 
it's been written by amateurs!

My kid grandson can do better than this!






Ok, I've got the IEFxxx messages now. They were where they belonged, it just 
took a long time for the z/OS MVS messages set to download. 
Good thing I've got a nice fat pipe.

But I still don't have the ASMAxxx messages yet. They're apparently not in the 
z/OS MVS component, and I don't see an HLASM component available. Really?

Dave Cole
ColeSoft Marketing
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At 12/2/2016 02:29 PM, Jim Mulder wrote:
> > >have they replaced it with anything?
> >
> > There is a phone app called IBM Doc buddy. Try it, you might like it.
> >
>   The LOOKAT web site says:
>
>LookAt is no longer supported. This site is offered for use "as is" 
>until z/OS V1R13 goes out of service later this year.
>New: IBM Doc Buddy is a Smartphone app that is available for iPhone in 
>iTunes and for Android in Google Play With IBM Doc Buddy, you download 
>only the message information that you need.

Re: LOOKAT gone? - Doc Buddy? Seriously?

[David Cole]

There is a phone app called IBM Doc buddy. Try it, you might like it.



Tried it. Don't much like it at all!






Ok, I've just now downloaded and installed Doc Buddy (Android 
version). And the best I can say about it is, whoever designed the UI 
really didn't put much effort into it. I mean seriously, doesn't IBM 
put these things out for real world testing first? Then do they even 
listen to the feedback???


#1) So I installed the app, and of course the very first thing I did 
was type in some message ids. Nothing too esoteric. just basic 
ancient stuff like, I don't know, do you think it'd be able to find 
IEF450I??? Nope... ASMA033I? Nope... Anything? Nope nope nopity nope!


#2) It turns out you then have to download... I don't know what IBM 
calls them... I'll just call them "message sets". These are organized 
by component. But there's no mention of this, no startup tips, tricks 
or just general heads-up is put in front of you.. Nothing. You 
install the app, and you're on your own. [Pro-tip: Go to the "Component" page.]


#3) So once you've figured you need to download the message 
definitions, the next thing you need to know is to which component a 
particular message belongs. Quick... does anybody know what IEF540I 
belongs to? 'Cause  apparently I don't. I've downloaded a bunch, and 
while other messages are now findable, the IEF messages aren't. (At 
least not yet.)


#4) Maybe that message set hasn't downloaded yet. It's hard to tell 
because there is no status display. The individual messages sets are 
hidden in dropdowns that have the very annoying habit of going back 
into hiding on you rather quickly...


#5) And that's another thing. The components list keeps jumping 
around on you because dropdowns that you've opened up spontaneously 
close causing the page to jump up, jump down, jump whatever. Come on 
guys! Can't you stabilize a display long enough for somebody to touch 
a button


#6) Oh and the msgid entry field... So you've got your keyboard open 
and you're typing away, and you decide to clear the entire field. But 
when you do so, Boom! the keyboard disappears on you. Why


#7) Googling a msgid turns out to be just plain easier.

I have not tried very many IBM apps, but so far every one I've tried 
feels like it's been written by amateurs!


My kid grandson can do better than this!






Ok, I've got the IEFxxx messages now. They were where they belonged, 
it just took a long time for the z/OS MVS messages set to download. 
Good thing I've got a nice fat pipe.


But I still don't have the ASMAxxx messages yet. They're apparently 
not in the z/OS MVS component, and I don't see an HLASM component 
available. Really?


Dave Cole
ColeSoft Marketing
414 Third Street, NE
Charlottesville, VA 22902
EADDRESS:dbc...@colesoft.com

Home page:   www.colesoft.com
LinkedIn:www.xdc.com
Facebook:www.facebook.com/colesoftware
YouTube: www.youtube.com/user/colesoftware






At 12/2/2016 02:29 PM, Jim Mulder wrote:

> >have they replaced it with anything?
>
> There is a phone app called IBM Doc buddy. Try it, you might like it.
>
  The LOOKAT web site says:

LookAt is no longer supported. This site is offered for use
"as is" until z/OS V1R13 goes out of service later this year.
New: IBM Doc Buddy is a Smartphone app that is available for
iPhone in iTunes and for Android in Google Play
With IBM Doc Buddy, you download only the message information that
you need. IBM Doc Buddy makes it easy to lookup message information
wherever you are without the need for an Internet connection.

1. I don't have an iPhone or Android.

2. If I need to look up a message, it is because I am
   seeing that message via an Internet connection.  I never
   need to look up message information when I don't have
   an Internet connection. And since then I am already
   sitting in front of a workstation with a real keyboard
   and mouse and dual 27 inch monitors, that is what I want
   to use to look up message information, not a Smartphone
   with a small screen and a small simulated keyboard.
Jim Mulder z/OS Diagnosis, Design, Development, Test  IBM Corp.
Poughkeepsie NY


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