Re: OT: Hum, MS raising prices?
On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 9:16 PM, Clark Morris wrote: > On 4 Dec 2012 10:10:42 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: > >I meant "legal code". My English is poor, especially in non-IT areas. > > In general, your written English seems as least as good as mine > (unfortunately maybe better since my only language is United States > English - no snide comments from the Commonwealth please). Indeed. This wasn't a case of poor English -- it was a case of English being poor. What he wrote was grammatical and clear, just ambiguous, due to English lack of inflection! -- zMan -- "I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it" -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OT: Hum, MS raising prices?
On 4 Dec 2012 10:10:42 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: >W dniu 2012-12-04 18:58, zMan pisze: >> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 12:00 PM, R.S. wrote: >> >>> AFAIK there is no code which could prevent me from moving the software >>> from desktop PC A to new shining desktop PC B (assuming no core/MUS/MIPS >>> licenses). >>> EULA cannot limit customer rights here. >> >> >> Confused: by "code", did you mean legal or software? I assume that >> Microsoft is now doing the "hardware hash" kind of thing it does for >> Windows licenses, and so once you've activated an Office using a given >> hash, you'll be allowed to re-activate ONLY using the same (or similar >> enough) hash. > >I meant "legal code". My English is poor, especially in non-IT areas. In general, your written English seems as least as good as mine (unfortunately maybe better since my only language is United States English - no snide comments from the Commonwealth please). Clark Morris > >> If you meant "legal code", then are you saying that Polish law requires >> portability? If so, would that we had such consumer-protective laws here! > >No, however IMHO every law says "what's not forbidden, it's allowed". >And there is no such limitation in the law. EULA cannot narrow customers >rigths. Would it be posible to demand from customer to wear a tie + red >shoes when using the software ? > > > >-- >Radoslaw Skorupka >Lodz, Poland -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OT: Hum, MS raising prices?
On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 1:33 PM, R.S. wrote: > BTW: the thread is becoming off-topic. This groups is about mainframes. > True, my bad. Thanks. -- zMan -- "I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it" -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OT: Hum, MS raising prices?
W dniu 2012-12-04 19:23, zMan pisze: On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 1:10 PM, R.S. wrote: I meant "legal code". My English is poor, especially in non-IT areas. No, however IMHO every law says "what's not forbidden, it's allowed". And there is no such limitation in the law. EULA cannot narrow customers rigths. Would it be posible to demand from customer to wear a tie + red shoes when using the software ? OK, but since they control the activation, I'm not sure how the EULA comes into play... Don't mix technical issues and legal ones. I don't know MS Office 2013 (and don't want to know it). BTW, little bit off-topic story: AFAIK Apple iTunes was unavailable for Poland for some weird reasons. You were allowed to browse, but not to purchase. There was a method to circumvent it and it was perfectly legal from the polish law point of view, despite Apple did not agree to seel to Poland. (Note: iTunes sells music, so the product is being downloaded, no delivery using snail-mail). Another issue: One purchased legal copy of the MS Windows, he activated it, etc. after some update of "Windows Genuity Advantage" his copy of the Windows was classfied as pirated one. MS call centre is not very responsice. Q: can he remove the WGA and continue using his purchased product? There are two answers: legal and technical. Both are YES. BTW: the thread is becoming off-topic. This groups is about mainframes. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- Tre tej wiadomoci moe zawiera informacje prawnie chronione Banku przeznaczone wycznie do uytku subowego adresata. Odbiorc moe by jedynie jej adresat z wyczeniem dostpu osób trzecich. Jeeli nie jeste adresatem niniejszej wiadomoci lub pracownikiem upowanionym do jej przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, e jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie lub inne dziaanie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie zabronione i moe by karalne. Jeeli otrzymae t wiadomo omykowo, prosimy niezwocznie zawiadomi nadawc wysyajc odpowied oraz trwale usun t wiadomo wczajc w to wszelkie jej kopie wydrukowane lub zapisane na dysku. This e-mail may contain legally privileged information of the Bank and is intended solely for business use of the addressee. This e-mail may only be received by the addressee and may not be disclosed to any third parties. If you are not the intended addressee of this e-mail or the employee authorised to forward it to the addressee, be advised that any dissemination, copying, distribution or any other similar activity is legally prohibited and may be punishable. If you received this e-mail by mistake please advise the sender immediately by using the reply facility in your e-mail software and delete permanently this e-mail including any copies of it either printed or saved to hard drive. BRE Bank SA, 00-950 Warszawa, ul. Senatorska 18, tel. +48 (22) 829 00 00, fax +48 (22) 829 00 33, www.brebank.pl, e-mail: i...@brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2012 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA (w caoci wpacony) wynosi 168.410.984 zotych. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OT: Hum, MS raising prices?
On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 1:10 PM, R.S. wrote: > I meant "legal code". My English is poor, especially in non-IT areas. > > No, however IMHO every law says "what's not forbidden, it's allowed". And > there is no such limitation in the law. EULA cannot narrow customers > rigths. Would it be posible to demand from customer to wear a tie + red > shoes when using the software ? OK, but since they control the activation, I'm not sure how the EULA comes into play... -- zMan -- "I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it" -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OT: Hum, MS raising prices?
W dniu 2012-12-04 18:58, zMan pisze: On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 12:00 PM, R.S. wrote: AFAIK there is no code which could prevent me from moving the software from desktop PC A to new shining desktop PC B (assuming no core/MUS/MIPS licenses). EULA cannot limit customer rights here. Confused: by "code", did you mean legal or software? I assume that Microsoft is now doing the "hardware hash" kind of thing it does for Windows licenses, and so once you've activated an Office using a given hash, you'll be allowed to re-activate ONLY using the same (or similar enough) hash. I meant "legal code". My English is poor, especially in non-IT areas. If you meant "legal code", then are you saying that Polish law requires portability? If so, would that we had such consumer-protective laws here! No, however IMHO every law says "what's not forbidden, it's allowed". And there is no such limitation in the law. EULA cannot narrow customers rigths. Would it be posible to demand from customer to wear a tie + red shoes when using the software ? -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- Tre tej wiadomoci moe zawiera informacje prawnie chronione Banku przeznaczone wycznie do uytku subowego adresata. Odbiorc moe by jedynie jej adresat z wyczeniem dostpu osób trzecich. Jeeli nie jeste adresatem niniejszej wiadomoci lub pracownikiem upowanionym do jej przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, e jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie lub inne dziaanie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie zabronione i moe by karalne. Jeeli otrzymae t wiadomo omykowo, prosimy niezwocznie zawiadomi nadawc wysyajc odpowied oraz trwale usun t wiadomo wczajc w to wszelkie jej kopie wydrukowane lub zapisane na dysku. This e-mail may contain legally privileged information of the Bank and is intended solely for business use of the addressee. This e-mail may only be received by the addressee and may not be disclosed to any third parties. If you are not the intended addressee of this e-mail or the employee authorised to forward it to the addressee, be advised that any dissemination, copying, distribution or any other similar activity is legally prohibited and may be punishable. If you received this e-mail by mistake please advise the sender immediately by using the reply facility in your e-mail software and delete permanently this e-mail including any copies of it either printed or saved to hard drive. BRE Bank SA, 00-950 Warszawa, ul. Senatorska 18, tel. +48 (22) 829 00 00, fax +48 (22) 829 00 33, www.brebank.pl, e-mail: i...@brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2012 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA (w caoci wpacony) wynosi 168.410.984 zotych. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OT: Hum, MS raising prices?
Ubuntu >> or variant From: zMan To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 12/04/2012 11:58 AM Subject: Re: OT: Hum, MS raising prices? Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 12:00 PM, R.S. wrote: > AFAIK there is no code which could prevent me from moving the software > from desktop PC A to new shining desktop PC B (assuming no core/MUS/MIPS > licenses). > EULA cannot limit customer rights here. Confused: by "code", did you mean legal or software? I assume that Microsoft is now doing the "hardware hash" kind of thing it does for Windows licenses, and so once you've activated an Office using a given hash, you'll be allowed to re-activate ONLY using the same (or similar enough) hash. If you meant "legal code", then are you saying that Polish law requires portability? If so, would that we had such consumer-protective laws here! -- zMan -- "I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it" -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Email Disclaimer This E-mail contains confidential information belonging to the sender, which may be legally privileged information. This information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity addressed above. If you are not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of the E-mail or attached files is strictly prohibited. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OT: Hum, MS raising prices?
On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 12:00 PM, R.S. wrote: > AFAIK there is no code which could prevent me from moving the software > from desktop PC A to new shining desktop PC B (assuming no core/MUS/MIPS > licenses). > EULA cannot limit customer rights here. Confused: by "code", did you mean legal or software? I assume that Microsoft is now doing the "hardware hash" kind of thing it does for Windows licenses, and so once you've activated an Office using a given hash, you'll be allowed to re-activate ONLY using the same (or similar enough) hash. If you meant "legal code", then are you saying that Polish law requires portability? If so, would that we had such consumer-protective laws here! -- zMan -- "I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it" -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OT: Hum, MS raising prices?
W dniu 2012-12-04 16:39, Tomasz Rola pisze: On Tue, 4 Dec 2012, zMan wrote: Plus, with Office 2013, retail products purchased CANNOT be uninstalled and moved to another machine: once it's installed, it's just as if you'd bought it pre-installed. Nice, huh? Oh really. This only makes me appreciate more the decision to never again install their products on bare hardware (how wise I was 8 years ago :-) ). I guess I can move virtual machine image however I please, can't I? Yes, you can, TECHNICALLY. However there's also legal aspect of the issue. Actually two of them: EULA (End User License Agreement) and ...polish law (for Poland, each country has its own codes). AFAIK there is no code which could prevent me from moving the software from desktop PC A to new shining desktop PC B (assuming no core/MUS/MIPS licenses). EULA cannot limit customer rights here. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- Tre tej wiadomoci moe zawiera informacje prawnie chronione Banku przeznaczone wycznie do uytku subowego adresata. Odbiorc moe by jedynie jej adresat z wyczeniem dostpu osób trzecich. Jeeli nie jeste adresatem niniejszej wiadomoci lub pracownikiem upowanionym do jej przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, e jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie lub inne dziaanie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie zabronione i moe by karalne. Jeeli otrzymae t wiadomo omykowo, prosimy niezwocznie zawiadomi nadawc wysyajc odpowied oraz trwale usun t wiadomo wczajc w to wszelkie jej kopie wydrukowane lub zapisane na dysku. This e-mail may contain legally privileged information of the Bank and is intended solely for business use of the addressee. This e-mail may only be received by the addressee and may not be disclosed to any third parties. If you are not the intended addressee of this e-mail or the employee authorised to forward it to the addressee, be advised that any dissemination, copying, distribution or any other similar activity is legally prohibited and may be punishable. If you received this e-mail by mistake please advise the sender immediately by using the reply facility in your e-mail software and delete permanently this e-mail including any copies of it either printed or saved to hard drive. BRE Bank SA, 00-950 Warszawa, ul. Senatorska 18, tel. +48 (22) 829 00 00, fax +48 (22) 829 00 33, www.brebank.pl, e-mail: i...@brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2012 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA (w caoci wpacony) wynosi 168.410.984 zotych. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OT: Hum, MS raising prices?
On Tue, 4 Dec 2012, zMan wrote: > Plus, with Office 2013, retail products purchased CANNOT be uninstalled and > moved to another machine: once it's installed, it's just as if you'd bought > it pre-installed. Nice, huh? Oh really. This only makes me appreciate more the decision to never again install their products on bare hardware (how wise I was 8 years ago :-) ). I guess I can move virtual machine image however I please, can't I? Regards, Tomasz Rola -- ** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature. ** ** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home** ** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... ** ** ** ** Tomasz Rola mailto:tomasz_r...@bigfoot.com ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OT: Hum, MS raising prices?
Plus, with Office 2013, retail products purchased CANNOT be uninstalled and moved to another machine: once it's installed, it's just as if you'd bought it pre-installed. Nice, huh? On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 7:59 AM, McKown, John wrote: > And we thought IBM's recent price increase was bad. > > > http://paritynews.com/business/item/502-microsoft-goes-after-enterprise-customers-raises-licensing-prices -- zMan -- "I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it" -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
OT: Hum, MS raising prices?
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