Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Connect:Direct and VOL=REF ?
Don't forget to increment the LABEL= In a message dated 7/10/2018 6:38:33 PM Central Standard Time, clementcla...@ozemail.com.au writes: VOL=REF=*.Ddname can be used here. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Connect:Direct and VOL=REF ?
VOL=REF=*.Ddname can be used here. It seems that once you refer to a data set on the Passed Data Set Queue, then it has been marked as received, and hence cannot be referenced again in the same job step. However, using a previous ddname overcomes that, and also picks up the correct volume if a tape fills, and another is being written to. Clem Dyck, Lionel B. (RavenTek) wrote: The use we need to to xfer a tape with multiple files on it (label=1,2,3,) and thus need the vol=ref. The working syntax after a suggestion from ibm is VOL=(,RETAIN,REF=dsn) And since we are using GDG's it must be VOL=(,RETAIN,REF='dsn') -- Lionel B. Dyck (Contractor) < Mainframe Systems Programmer – RavenTek Solution Partners -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Steve Thompson Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2018 12:23 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Connect:Direct and VOL=REF ? Wow, this doc is not formatted the way it used to be. When one does a copy, one can send the data or one can pull the data. Let us assume that the system that starts the process is the one in control (Process control *AND* PNODE), and that one is going to copy *from* the PNODE to the SNODE (again, it can be done the other way). Now, where the data set is going *TO* one can use REF=dsn, and this will force that data set being copied to the same VOLUME as the DSN specified by the REF=. Why would one want to do this? One may want or need to do this because one knows the name of a DSN on the client's system and by using that reference, one can put another file over there where the client has asked for it to be. HTHs Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Connect:Direct and VOL=REF ?
The use we need to to xfer a tape with multiple files on it (label=1,2,3,) and thus need the vol=ref. The working syntax after a suggestion from ibm is VOL=(,RETAIN,REF=dsn) And since we are using GDG's it must be VOL=(,RETAIN,REF='dsn') -- Lionel B. Dyck (Contractor) < Mainframe Systems Programmer – RavenTek Solution Partners -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Steve Thompson Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2018 12:23 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Connect:Direct and VOL=REF ? Wow, this doc is not formatted the way it used to be. When one does a copy, one can send the data or one can pull the data. Let us assume that the system that starts the process is the one in control (Process control *AND* PNODE), and that one is going to copy *from* the PNODE to the SNODE (again, it can be done the other way). Now, where the data set is going *TO* one can use REF=dsn, and this will force that data set being copied to the same VOLUME as the DSN specified by the REF=. Why would one want to do this? One may want or need to do this because one knows the name of a DSN on the client's system and by using that reference, one can put another file over there where the client has asked for it to be. HTHs Steve Thompson On 07/02/2018 03:53 PM, Joe Monk wrote: > I think it is saying that the system picks the volume from the referenced > dsn, which must be cataloged (i.e. can't be a temp data set). > > Joe > > On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 3:49 PM, Paul Gilmartin < > 000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > >> On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 15:07:07 -0400, Joe Monk wrote: >> >>> REF allows you to place a data set on the same volume as the referenced >>> data set. It must be cataloged on the system where it is referenced. >>> >>> https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/CD_PROC_LANG/com.ibm.help. >> cdprocstmtsparams.doc/cdproc_stmt_zos_Process_Parameters.html >>> >> Not always, but good point: >> ([SER=(serial-no, [serial-no,...]) | ,REF=dsn]) >> specifies the volume serial number(s) containing the file and >> optional processing associated >> with the file. If VOL is not specified with the FROM parameter, >> the file must be cataloged. >> >> (They're careless about distinction between "file" and "data set".) >> >> Is this trying to say that the default VOL for TO is the VOL specified on >> FROM? >> >> Is it possible that Lionel is referring to a data set created in the same >> COPY >> command and COPY does not ALLOCATE/CATALOG that data set until the >> command runs? >> >> But Lionel seems to indicate he's seeing a syntax error, not "Data set not >> found". >> >> -- gil >> >> -- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Connect:Direct and VOL=REF ?
Nuts, I was answering this, thinking I had the latest to find out I did not. The parser used by C:D for z/OS has some issues. This is probably a doc error. I'm afraid that the GDG has to be done enclosed with apostrophes. But, contact support (whoever actually had this problem) and point them to the DOC and what had to be done to get it to work. And ask them about an RFE. Next question on serialization: If you run a process to do a copy, the process steps are done in the order given. So could you be a little more specific on what you are trying to serialize? Regards, Steve Thompson On 07/03/2018 08:27 AM, Dyck, Lionel B. (RavenTek) wrote: The quotes had to be around the GDG DSN in the VOL=(,RETAIN,REF='gdg.dsn(0)') Go figure - hoping they take an apar on that as the syntax error message was totally worthless. I also found a RESGDG keyword but could not find any explanation of what it does? Another Question: Is there a way to serialize multiple COPY's within a PROCESS? -- Lionel B. Dyck (Contractor) < Mainframe Systems Programmer – RavenTek Solution Partners -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Elardus Engelbrecht Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2018 7:24 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Connect:Direct and VOL=REF ? Dyck, Lionel B. wrote: The problem was the TO was a GDG and the dsn needed to be in quotes :-) In quotes? It is not documented in the C:D manuals (at naming conventions and syntax diagram for VOL=) or I missed that somewhere. Where dsn (lowercase) is documented, no mentioning of quotes are stated. Ok, I will remember that. Many thanks, Lionel. On to the next quest! ;-) Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Connect:Direct and VOL=REF ?
Wow, this doc is not formatted the way it used to be. When one does a copy, one can send the data or one can pull the data. Let us assume that the system that starts the process is the one in control (Process control *AND* PNODE), and that one is going to copy *from* the PNODE to the SNODE (again, it can be done the other way). Now, where the data set is going *TO* one can use REF=dsn, and this will force that data set being copied to the same VOLUME as the DSN specified by the REF=. Why would one want to do this? One may want or need to do this because one knows the name of a DSN on the client's system and by using that reference, one can put another file over there where the client has asked for it to be. HTHs Steve Thompson On 07/02/2018 03:53 PM, Joe Monk wrote: I think it is saying that the system picks the volume from the referenced dsn, which must be cataloged (i.e. can't be a temp data set). Joe On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 3:49 PM, Paul Gilmartin < 000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 15:07:07 -0400, Joe Monk wrote: REF allows you to place a data set on the same volume as the referenced data set. It must be cataloged on the system where it is referenced. https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/CD_PROC_LANG/com.ibm.help. cdprocstmtsparams.doc/cdproc_stmt_zos_Process_Parameters.html Not always, but good point: ([SER=(serial-no, [serial-no,...]) | ,REF=dsn]) specifies the volume serial number(s) containing the file and optional processing associated with the file. If VOL is not specified with the FROM parameter, the file must be cataloged. (They're careless about distinction between "file" and "data set".) Is this trying to say that the default VOL for TO is the VOL specified on FROM? Is it possible that Lionel is referring to a data set created in the same COPY command and COPY does not ALLOCATE/CATALOG that data set until the command runs? But Lionel seems to indicate he's seeing a syntax error, not "Data set not found". -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Connect:Direct and VOL=REF ?
The quotes had to be around the GDG DSN in the VOL=(,RETAIN,REF='gdg.dsn(0)') Go figure - hoping they take an apar on that as the syntax error message was totally worthless. I also found a RESGDG keyword but could not find any explanation of what it does? Another Question: Is there a way to serialize multiple COPY's within a PROCESS? -- Lionel B. Dyck (Contractor) < Mainframe Systems Programmer – RavenTek Solution Partners -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Elardus Engelbrecht Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2018 7:24 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Connect:Direct and VOL=REF ? Dyck, Lionel B. wrote: >The problem was the TO was a GDG and the dsn needed to be in quotes :-) In quotes? It is not documented in the C:D manuals (at naming conventions and syntax diagram for VOL=) or I missed that somewhere. Where dsn (lowercase) is documented, no mentioning of quotes are stated. Ok, I will remember that. Many thanks, Lionel. On to the next quest! ;-) Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Connect:Direct and VOL=REF ?
On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 15:53:02 -0400, Joe Monk wrote: >I think it is saying that the system picks the volume from the referenced >dsn, which must be cataloged (i.e. can't be a temp data set). >On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 3:49 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: >> > >> > https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/CD_PROC_LANG/com.ibm.help.cdprocstmtsparams.doc/cdproc_stmt_zos_Process_Parameters.html >> > >> ... If VOL is not specified with the FROM parameter, the file must be >> cataloged. >> This appears to be "the exception that proves the rule": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exception_that_proves_the_rule#Original_meaning According to Cicero, this means that if VOL *is* specified on the FROM parameter, the "file" need not be catalogued. Must FROM and TO refer to the same dsn? If so, wouldn't it be copying a data set over itself? Or might "file" be a different member of the same PDS(E)? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Connect:Direct and VOL=REF ?
I think it is saying that the system picks the volume from the referenced dsn, which must be cataloged (i.e. can't be a temp data set). Joe On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 3:49 PM, Paul Gilmartin < 000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 15:07:07 -0400, Joe Monk wrote: > > >REF allows you to place a data set on the same volume as the referenced > >data set. It must be cataloged on the system where it is referenced. > > > >https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/CD_PROC_LANG/com.ibm.help. > cdprocstmtsparams.doc/cdproc_stmt_zos_Process_Parameters.html > > > Not always, but good point: > ([SER=(serial-no, [serial-no,...]) | ,REF=dsn]) > specifies the volume serial number(s) containing the file and > optional processing associated > with the file. If VOL is not specified with the FROM parameter, > the file must be cataloged. > > (They're careless about distinction between "file" and "data set".) > > Is this trying to say that the default VOL for TO is the VOL specified on > FROM? > > Is it possible that Lionel is referring to a data set created in the same > COPY > command and COPY does not ALLOCATE/CATALOG that data set until the > command runs? > > But Lionel seems to indicate he's seeing a syntax error, not "Data set not > found". > > -- gil > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Connect:Direct and VOL=REF ?
On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 15:07:07 -0400, Joe Monk wrote: >REF allows you to place a data set on the same volume as the referenced >data set. It must be cataloged on the system where it is referenced. > >https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/CD_PROC_LANG/com.ibm.help.cdprocstmtsparams.doc/cdproc_stmt_zos_Process_Parameters.html > Not always, but good point: ([SER=(serial-no, [serial-no,...]) | ,REF=dsn]) specifies the volume serial number(s) containing the file and optional processing associated with the file. If VOL is not specified with the FROM parameter, the file must be cataloged. (They're careless about distinction between "file" and "data set".) Is this trying to say that the default VOL for TO is the VOL specified on FROM? Is it possible that Lionel is referring to a data set created in the same COPY command and COPY does not ALLOCATE/CATALOG that data set until the command runs? But Lionel seems to indicate he's seeing a syntax error, not "Data set not found". -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Connect:Direct and VOL=REF ?
Folks: If it is documented (and I don't have time to pull down the latest doc), it will get addressed as a problem and not an RFE. The C:D change team and the dev guys know the internals of the product very well. Regards, Steve Thompson On 07/02/2018 02:26 PM, Dyck, Lionel B. (RavenTek) wrote: I don't think I can accept an RFE on this one - the documentation clearly shows it should work :-) That and we need it to work -- Lionel B. Dyck (Contractor) < Mainframe Systems Programmer – RavenTek Solution Partners -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Monday, July 02, 2018 1:22 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Connect:Direct and VOL=REF ? On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 17:26:00 +, Dyck, Lionel B. (RavenTek) wrote: The use of VOL=SER=xx works but that is only useful for the 1st data set being copied. I've tried variations of ,'s also without success. Time for a PMR :-) What if they tell you that has to be an RFE? (I suppose that if there is a documented function that simply doesn't work, PMR should be accepted.) -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Connect:Direct and VOL=REF ?
REF allows you to place a data set on the same volume as the referenced data set. It must be cataloged on the system where it is referenced. https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/CD_PROC_LANG/com.ibm.help.cdprocstmtsparams.doc/cdproc_stmt_zos_Process_Parameters.html Joe On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 2:26 PM, Dyck, Lionel B. (RavenTek) < lionel.d...@va.gov> wrote: > I don't think I can accept an RFE on this one - the documentation clearly > shows it should work :-) > > That and we need it to work > > -- > Lionel B. Dyck (Contractor) < > Mainframe Systems Programmer – RavenTek Solution Partners > > > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2018 1:22 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Connect:Direct and VOL=REF ? > > On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 17:26:00 +, Dyck, Lionel B. (RavenTek) wrote: > > >The use of VOL=SER=xx works but that is only useful for the 1st data > set being copied. I've tried variations of ,'s also without success. > > > >Time for a PMR :-) > > > What if they tell you that has to be an RFE? (I suppose that if there is a > documented function that simply doesn't work, PMR should be accepted.) > > -- gil > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Connect:Direct and VOL=REF ?
I don't think I can accept an RFE on this one - the documentation clearly shows it should work :-) That and we need it to work -- Lionel B. Dyck (Contractor) < Mainframe Systems Programmer – RavenTek Solution Partners -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Monday, July 02, 2018 1:22 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Connect:Direct and VOL=REF ? On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 17:26:00 +, Dyck, Lionel B. (RavenTek) wrote: >The use of VOL=SER=xx works but that is only useful for the 1st data set >being copied. I've tried variations of ,'s also without success. > >Time for a PMR :-) > What if they tell you that has to be an RFE? (I suppose that if there is a documented function that simply doesn't work, PMR should be accepted.) -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Connect:Direct and VOL=REF ?
On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 17:26:00 +, Dyck, Lionel B. (RavenTek) wrote: >The use of VOL=SER=xx works but that is only useful for the 1st data set >being copied. I've tried variations of ,'s also without success. > >Time for a PMR :-) > What if they tell you that has to be an RFE? (I suppose that if there is a documented function that simply doesn't work, PMR should be accepted.) -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Connect:Direct and VOL=REF ?
JCL and Connect:Direct syntax, while similar are not the same :-) -- Lionel B. Dyck (Contractor) < Mainframe Systems Programmer – RavenTek Solution Partners -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Steve Beaver Sent: Monday, July 02, 2018 12:49 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Connect:Direct and VOL=REF ? Suggestion Code the parms on a DD statement and once you have that working transfer it to the CD COPY Statement -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Dyck, Lionel B. (RavenTek) Sent: Monday, July 2, 2018 10:34 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Connect:Direct and VOL=REF ? Using C:D 5.2 and yes I had tried that :-) The 'error' message, if that is what you want to call it, claims invalid VOL=SER= usage. Banging head against the wall removes the pain of trying to figure this out but that is only temporary. -- Lionel B. Dyck (Contractor) < Mainframe Systems Programmer – RavenTek Solution Partners -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Elardus Engelbrecht Sent: Monday, July 02, 2018 9:59 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Connect:Direct and VOL=REF ? Dyck, Lionel B. (RavenTek) wrote: >After pouring thru the connect:direct pubs and finding that REF= is support, >I've not been able to find the correct syntax to do a VOL=REF=dsn within a >Connect:Direct Proc on the TO parameters. >Can anyone offer any suggestions/advice/direction? >The documented syntax is: >VOL = ( [PRIVATE],[RETAIN] ,[volume-sequence-no] >,[volume-count] >,[SER = (serial-no[,serial-no,...] ) ] ) | ( [SER = (serial-no, >[serial-no,...] ) | REF = dsn]) >We've tried: >Vol=ref=dsn >Vol=(ref=dsn) >Vol=ser=(ref=dsn) According to what you post and my copy of the C:D PDF doc I have, after a lot of trimming that looong and hard to read syntax diagram, ... try Vol=(ref=dsn) , but you have done that??? If not working, what version of C:D do you have? Do you see any error message(s)? Are you using C:D batch or online? Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Connect:Direct and VOL=REF ?
Suggestion Code the parms on a DD statement and once you have that working transfer it to the CD COPY Statement -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Dyck, Lionel B. (RavenTek) Sent: Monday, July 2, 2018 10:34 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Connect:Direct and VOL=REF ? Using C:D 5.2 and yes I had tried that :-) The 'error' message, if that is what you want to call it, claims invalid VOL=SER= usage. Banging head against the wall removes the pain of trying to figure this out but that is only temporary. -- Lionel B. Dyck (Contractor) < Mainframe Systems Programmer – RavenTek Solution Partners -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Elardus Engelbrecht Sent: Monday, July 02, 2018 9:59 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Connect:Direct and VOL=REF ? Dyck, Lionel B. (RavenTek) wrote: >After pouring thru the connect:direct pubs and finding that REF= is support, >I've not been able to find the correct syntax to do a VOL=REF=dsn within a >Connect:Direct Proc on the TO parameters. >Can anyone offer any suggestions/advice/direction? >The documented syntax is: >VOL = ( [PRIVATE],[RETAIN] ,[volume-sequence-no] >,[volume-count] >,[SER = (serial-no[,serial-no,...] ) ] ) | ( [SER = (serial-no, >[serial-no,...] ) | REF = dsn]) >We've tried: >Vol=ref=dsn >Vol=(ref=dsn) >Vol=ser=(ref=dsn) According to what you post and my copy of the C:D PDF doc I have, after a lot of trimming that looong and hard to read syntax diagram, ... try Vol=(ref=dsn) , but you have done that??? If not working, what version of C:D do you have? Do you see any error message(s)? Are you using C:D batch or online? Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Connect:Direct and VOL=REF ?
The use of VOL=SER=xx works but that is only useful for the 1st data set being copied. I've tried variations of ,'s also without success. Time for a PMR :-) -- Lionel B. Dyck (Contractor) < Mainframe Systems Programmer – RavenTek Solution Partners -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Monday, July 02, 2018 12:20 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Connect:Direct and VOL=REF ? On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 10:31:58 -0600, Roger Bolan wrote: >The syntax you showed makes me think that preceding commas are required. > That's what it seems to say, but does it mean it? Is this JCL, or an attempt to replicate JCL syntax? I can produce from this either: VOL = ( , , , SER = ( serial-no[,serial-no,...] ) ) or: VOL = ( REF = dsn ) (the parentheses are not indicated as optional.) But the OP says he has tried the latter and failed. RCF? "Enny fool kin plainly see what it means." is not polished documentation. >> >The documented syntax is: >> >> >VOL = ( [PRIVATE],[RETAIN] ,[volume-sequence-no] >> >,[volume-count] >> >,[SER = (serial-no[,serial-no,...] ) ] ) | ( [SER = (serial-no, >> >[serial-no,...] ) | REF = dsn]) (Once, when I coded some SMP/E control statements intended for customers, I used blanks as token separators rather than commas. A reviewer marked me down for that; it wasn't documented. I went to RCF, saying that a "," should appear as "[,]" wherever the "," is optional. IBM took the easy out by adding a statement in the frontmatter of the Ref. that commas appeaing in syntax diagrams are (usually?) optional.) -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Connect:Direct and VOL=REF ?
On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 10:31:58 -0600, Roger Bolan wrote: >The syntax you showed makes me think that preceding commas are required. > That's what it seems to say, but does it mean it? Is this JCL, or an attempt to replicate JCL syntax? I can produce from this either: VOL = ( , , , SER = ( serial-no[,serial-no,...] ) ) or: VOL = ( REF = dsn ) (the parentheses are not indicated as optional.) But the OP says he has tried the latter and failed. RCF? "Enny fool kin plainly see what it means." is not polished documentation. >> >The documented syntax is: >> >> >VOL = ( [PRIVATE],[RETAIN] ,[volume-sequence-no] >> >,[volume-count] >> >,[SER = (serial-no[,serial-no,...] ) ] ) | ( [SER = (serial-no, >> >[serial-no,...] ) | REF = dsn]) (Once, when I coded some SMP/E control statements intended for customers, I used blanks as token separators rather than commas. A reviewer marked me down for that; it wasn't documented. I went to RCF, saying that a "," should appear as "[,]" wherever the "," is optional. IBM took the easy out by adding a statement in the frontmatter of the Ref. that commas appeaing in syntax diagrams are (usually?) optional.) -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Connect:Direct and VOL=REF ?
The syntax you showed makes me think that preceding commas are required. On Mon, Jul 2, 2018, 9:43 AM Dyck, Lionel B. (RavenTek) wrote: > Using C:D 5.2 and yes I had tried that :-) > > The 'error' message, if that is what you want to call it, claims invalid > VOL=SER= usage. > > Banging head against the wall removes the pain of trying to figure this > out but that is only temporary. > > -- > Lionel B. Dyck (Contractor) < > Mainframe Systems Programmer – RavenTek Solution Partners > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Elardus Engelbrecht > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2018 9:59 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Connect:Direct and VOL=REF ? > > Dyck, Lionel B. (RavenTek) wrote: > > >After pouring thru the connect:direct pubs and finding that REF= is > support, I've not been able to find the correct syntax to do a VOL=REF=dsn > within a Connect:Direct Proc on the TO parameters. > > >Can anyone offer any suggestions/advice/direction? > > >The documented syntax is: > > >VOL = ( [PRIVATE],[RETAIN] ,[volume-sequence-no] > >,[volume-count] > >,[SER = (serial-no[,serial-no,...] ) ] ) | ( [SER = (serial-no, > >[serial-no,...] ) | REF = dsn]) > > >We've tried: > >Vol=ref=dsn > >Vol=(ref=dsn) > >Vol=ser=(ref=dsn) > > According to what you post and my copy of the C:D PDF doc I have, after a > lot of trimming that looong and hard to read syntax diagram, > > ... try Vol=(ref=dsn) , but you have done that??? > > If not working, what version of C:D do you have? > Do you see any error message(s)? > Are you using C:D batch or online? > > Groete / Greetings > Elardus Engelbrecht > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Connect:Direct and VOL=REF ?
Using C:D 5.2 and yes I had tried that :-) The 'error' message, if that is what you want to call it, claims invalid VOL=SER= usage. Banging head against the wall removes the pain of trying to figure this out but that is only temporary. -- Lionel B. Dyck (Contractor) < Mainframe Systems Programmer – RavenTek Solution Partners -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Elardus Engelbrecht Sent: Monday, July 02, 2018 9:59 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Connect:Direct and VOL=REF ? Dyck, Lionel B. (RavenTek) wrote: >After pouring thru the connect:direct pubs and finding that REF= is support, >I've not been able to find the correct syntax to do a VOL=REF=dsn within a >Connect:Direct Proc on the TO parameters. >Can anyone offer any suggestions/advice/direction? >The documented syntax is: >VOL = ( [PRIVATE],[RETAIN] ,[volume-sequence-no] >,[volume-count] >,[SER = (serial-no[,serial-no,...] ) ] ) | ( [SER = (serial-no, >[serial-no,...] ) | REF = dsn]) >We've tried: >Vol=ref=dsn >Vol=(ref=dsn) >Vol=ser=(ref=dsn) According to what you post and my copy of the C:D PDF doc I have, after a lot of trimming that looong and hard to read syntax diagram, ... try Vol=(ref=dsn) , but you have done that??? If not working, what version of C:D do you have? Do you see any error message(s)? Are you using C:D batch or online? Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
