Re: Economics of Mainframe Technology
Hi Art, Your recollection of the figures from the keynote matches mine. Linda Sent from my iPhone On Mar 10, 2015, at 1:36 PM, Art Gutowski arthur.gutow...@gm.com wrote: If my notes are accurate from Ross' Keynote address to SHARE attendees in Seattle, mainframes account for 68% of production workloads, but only 6% of IT spend (exclusive of aggregate labor costs across platforms). Given the armies of sysadmins to support *nix and windoze platforms, I gotta believe labor costs on these platforms eclipse those of the mainframe. I am passing the webinar info along to my senior management... Thanks, Art Gutowski GM IT Senior Mainframe Specialist arthur.gutow...@gm.com On Tue, 10 Mar 2015 16:38:37 -0300, Lucas Rosalen rosalen.lu...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, those are big numbers! Thank you, Tom. This seems to be a good thing to be shared with techies, but specially with management. I'm looking forward to it. Thanks, --- *Lucas Rosalen* Emails: rosalen.lu...@gmail.com / *lrosa...@br.ibm.com lrosa...@br.ibm.com* LinkedIn: http://br.linkedin.com/in/lrosalen Phone: +55 19 9-8146-7633 2015-03-10 15:47 GMT-03:00 Tom Marchant 000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu: I just received word of this and thought others on the list might find it interesting. Compuware is hosting a webcast with renowned expert in technology economics, Dr. Howard Rubin. Dr. Rubin will be presenting his most recent findings on the growing consumption of technology and its impact on core infrastructure costs. His research compares the resulting costs for a mainframe-heavy organization to a server-heavy organization. Title: The Surprising Economics of Mainframe Technology Date: March 19 Time: 11:00 a.m. ET Duration: 60 minutes [...] On the webcast, he will be speaking to the following findings: o While computing power has doubled over the last five years, server-heavy organizations’ costs have gone up 63% more than mainframe-heavy organizations. o For every $1 that’s spent on infrastructure costs, Mainframe organizations earn $10.55 while server-heavy organizations earn only $8.22. o Analysis across 15 industries shows that the average IT cost of goods is 35% (on average) less for mainframe-heavy organizations, with the greatest differences in the financial sector. Dr. Rubin will be joined by two industry thought-leaders, Ross Mauri, General Manager, IBM z Systems and Chris O’Malley, CEO of Compuware. Ross will answer questions about mainframe misperceptions and the new capabilities of the z13, while Chris will discuss how increasing technical demand on the mainframe is impacting IT and the entire business. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Economics of Mainframe Technology
so what are you saying? those IT managers that cut the mainframe market by 50%+ in few years by migration to WUL platforms didn't know to calculate? The numbers in the webcast can be explained. There is a high-cost entry level to the mainframe market, which only those who are already there (or are part of sectors like finance) can afford that starting price. my view of the mainframe market is that the maker is a bit problematic. they removed all competition from the hardware market, and you can see they are now doing the same in the software market. So my point is that customers do not want to be captured by a single, Strong and monopolist supplier. There is not to say mainframe is bad. This is a grate technology (even that the new z113 machine implements technology that is implemented in Intel chips for years ;-)). The only thing that I am saying is the play with the rules. and the rules to downsize mainframe budget is to move to Java on the mainframe. this is an internal migration that keeps all mainframe goodies, but cutting the costs to minimum. My recommondation to my customers is stay mainframe, Enjoy the pros, reject the cons by playing in the new rules. use the rules (Java, New workload licensing, DB2 usage with JDBC, etc.) The sad news is that the mainframe is here to stay, it is just us that get old... ITschak ITschak Mugzach Z/OS, ISV Products and Application Security Risk Assessments Professional On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Linda linda.lst...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Art, Your recollection of the figures from the keynote matches mine. Linda Sent from my iPhone On Mar 10, 2015, at 1:36 PM, Art Gutowski arthur.gutow...@gm.com wrote: If my notes are accurate from Ross' Keynote address to SHARE attendees in Seattle, mainframes account for 68% of production workloads, but only 6% of IT spend (exclusive of aggregate labor costs across platforms). Given the armies of sysadmins to support *nix and windoze platforms, I gotta believe labor costs on these platforms eclipse those of the mainframe. I am passing the webinar info along to my senior management... Thanks, Art Gutowski GM IT Senior Mainframe Specialist arthur.gutow...@gm.com On Tue, 10 Mar 2015 16:38:37 -0300, Lucas Rosalen rosalen.lu...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, those are big numbers! Thank you, Tom. This seems to be a good thing to be shared with techies, but specially with management. I'm looking forward to it. Thanks, --- *Lucas Rosalen* Emails: rosalen.lu...@gmail.com / *lrosa...@br.ibm.com lrosa...@br.ibm.com* LinkedIn: http://br.linkedin.com/in/lrosalen Phone: +55 19 9-8146-7633 2015-03-10 15:47 GMT-03:00 Tom Marchant 000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu: I just received word of this and thought others on the list might find it interesting. Compuware is hosting a webcast with renowned expert in technology economics, Dr. Howard Rubin. Dr. Rubin will be presenting his most recent findings on the growing consumption of technology and its impact on core infrastructure costs. His research compares the resulting costs for a mainframe-heavy organization to a server-heavy organization. Title: The Surprising Economics of Mainframe Technology Date: March 19 Time: 11:00 a.m. ET Duration: 60 minutes [...] On the webcast, he will be speaking to the following findings: o While computing power has doubled over the last five years, server-heavy organizations’ costs have gone up 63% more than mainframe-heavy organizations. o For every $1 that’s spent on infrastructure costs, Mainframe organizations earn $10.55 while server-heavy organizations earn only $8.22. o Analysis across 15 industries shows that the average IT cost of goods is 35% (on average) less for mainframe-heavy organizations, with the greatest differences in the financial sector. Dr. Rubin will be joined by two industry thought-leaders, Ross Mauri, General Manager, IBM z Systems and Chris O’Malley, CEO of Compuware. Ross will answer questions about mainframe misperceptions and the new capabilities of the z13, while Chris will discuss how increasing technical demand on the mainframe is impacting IT and the entire business. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access
Re: Economics of Mainframe Technology
On 3/10/15 8:19 PM, Charles Mills wrote: Windows support costs are hard to identify. We know who supports the mainframe; they work for mainframe IT. But Windows in each department is supported in his spare time by that bright computer whiz kid in that department, and he is on their payroll. I don't believe the cost of supporting those desktop Windows systems should be included in any analysis of server vs. mainframe costs. It's unlikely that in a server to mainframe conversion those desktop systems will suddenly disappear. E-mail clients, spreadsheets, graphics packages and whatnot will still be in use on those desktops and require continued support. Heck, after the conversion at least some of those people are going to need 3270 session, and I don't think their employer is going to go out and buy new 3270 terminals. (Does anyone even make real 3270 terminals these days?) So whatnot will have to include 3270 emulators, as well. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Economics of Mainframe Technology
*Usually* not. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Lou Losee Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 8:47 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Economics of Mainframe Technology Is there a link to the keynote or the data presented during the keynote? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Economics of Mainframe Technology
Windows support costs are hard to identify. We know who supports the mainframe; they work for mainframe IT. But Windows in each department is supported in his spare time by that bright computer whiz kid in that department, and he is on their payroll. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Shane Ginnane Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 4:57 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Economics of Mainframe Technology On Tue, 10 Mar 2015 15:36:30 -0500, Art Gutowski wrote: Given the armies of sysadmins to support *nix and windoze platforms, I gotta believe labor costs on these platforms eclipse those of the mainframe. As Lynn mentions, the move to cloud affects them too - maybe most of all. The time of the Elves is over ... Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Economics of Mainframe Technology
Is there a link to the keynote or the data presented during the keynote? Lo -- Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity - Unknown On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Art Gutowski arthur.gutow...@gm.com wrote: If my notes are accurate from Ross' Keynote address to SHARE attendees in Seattle, mainframes account for 68% of production workloads, but only 6% of IT spend (exclusive of aggregate labor costs across platforms). Given the armies of sysadmins to support *nix and windoze platforms, I gotta believe labor costs on these platforms eclipse those of the mainframe. I am passing the webinar info along to my senior management... Thanks, Art Gutowski GM IT Senior Mainframe Specialist arthur.gutow...@gm.com On Tue, 10 Mar 2015 16:38:37 -0300, Lucas Rosalen rosalen.lu...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, those are big numbers! Thank you, Tom. This seems to be a good thing to be shared with techies, but specially with management. I'm looking forward to it. Thanks, --- *Lucas Rosalen* Emails: rosalen.lu...@gmail.com / *lrosa...@br.ibm.com lrosa...@br.ibm.com* LinkedIn: http://br.linkedin.com/in/lrosalen Phone: +55 19 9-8146-7633 2015-03-10 15:47 GMT-03:00 Tom Marchant 000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu: I just received word of this and thought others on the list might find it interesting. Compuware is hosting a webcast with renowned expert in technology economics, Dr. Howard Rubin. Dr. Rubin will be presenting his most recent findings on the growing consumption of technology and its impact on core infrastructure costs. His research compares the resulting costs for a mainframe-heavy organization to a server-heavy organization. Title: The Surprising Economics of Mainframe Technology Date: March 19 Time: 11:00 a.m. ET Duration: 60 minutes [...] On the webcast, he will be speaking to the following findings: o While computing power has doubled over the last five years, server-heavy organizations’ costs have gone up 63% more than mainframe-heavy organizations. o For every $1 that’s spent on infrastructure costs, Mainframe organizations earn $10.55 while server-heavy organizations earn only $8.22. o Analysis across 15 industries shows that the average IT cost of goods is 35% (on average) less for mainframe-heavy organizations, with the greatest differences in the financial sector. Dr. Rubin will be joined by two industry thought-leaders, Ross Mauri, General Manager, IBM z Systems and Chris O’Malley, CEO of Compuware. Ross will answer questions about mainframe misperceptions and the new capabilities of the z13, while Chris will discuss how increasing technical demand on the mainframe is impacting IT and the entire business. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Economics of Mainframe Technology
If my notes are accurate from Ross' Keynote address to SHARE attendees in Seattle, mainframes account for 68% of production workloads, but only 6% of IT spend (exclusive of aggregate labor costs across platforms). Given the armies of sysadmins to support *nix and windoze platforms, I gotta believe labor costs on these platforms eclipse those of the mainframe. I am passing the webinar info along to my senior management... Thanks, Art Gutowski GM IT Senior Mainframe Specialist arthur.gutow...@gm.com On Tue, 10 Mar 2015 16:38:37 -0300, Lucas Rosalen rosalen.lu...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, those are big numbers! Thank you, Tom. This seems to be a good thing to be shared with techies, but specially with management. I'm looking forward to it. Thanks, --- *Lucas Rosalen* Emails: rosalen.lu...@gmail.com / *lrosa...@br.ibm.com lrosa...@br.ibm.com* LinkedIn: http://br.linkedin.com/in/lrosalen Phone: +55 19 9-8146-7633 2015-03-10 15:47 GMT-03:00 Tom Marchant 000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu: I just received word of this and thought others on the list might find it interesting. Compuware is hosting a webcast with renowned expert in technology economics, Dr. Howard Rubin. Dr. Rubin will be presenting his most recent findings on the growing consumption of technology and its impact on core infrastructure costs. His research compares the resulting costs for a mainframe-heavy organization to a server-heavy organization. Title: The Surprising Economics of Mainframe Technology Date: March 19 Time: 11:00 a.m. ET Duration: 60 minutes [...] On the webcast, he will be speaking to the following findings: o While computing power has doubled over the last five years, server-heavy organizations’ costs have gone up 63% more than mainframe-heavy organizations. o For every $1 that’s spent on infrastructure costs, Mainframe organizations earn $10.55 while server-heavy organizations earn only $8.22. o Analysis across 15 industries shows that the average IT cost of goods is 35% (on average) less for mainframe-heavy organizations, with the greatest differences in the financial sector. Dr. Rubin will be joined by two industry thought-leaders, Ross Mauri, General Manager, IBM z Systems and Chris O’Malley, CEO of Compuware. Ross will answer questions about mainframe misperceptions and the new capabilities of the z13, while Chris will discuss how increasing technical demand on the mainframe is impacting IT and the entire business. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Economics of Mainframe Technology
Wow, those are big numbers! Thank you, Tom. This seems to be a good thing to be shared with techies, but specially with management. I'm looking forward to it. Thanks, --- *Lucas Rosalen* Emails: rosalen.lu...@gmail.com / *lrosa...@br.ibm.com lrosa...@br.ibm.com* LinkedIn: http://br.linkedin.com/in/lrosalen Phone: +55 19 9-8146-7633 2015-03-10 15:47 GMT-03:00 Tom Marchant 000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu: I just received word of this and thought others on the list might find it interesting. Compuware is hosting a webcast with renowned expert in technology economics, Dr. Howard Rubin. Dr. Rubin will be presenting his most recent findings on the growing consumption of technology and its impact on core infrastructure costs. His research compares the resulting costs for a mainframe-heavy organization to a server-heavy organization. Title: The Surprising Economics of Mainframe Technology Date: March 19 Time: 11:00 a.m. ET Duration: 60 minutes Register at https://event.on24.com/eventRegistration/EventLobbyServlet?target=reg20.jspeventid=960452sessionid=1key=0EAD94B1BD32920176D84E6EE6328422sourcepage=registerpartnerref=mvslist or http://preview.tinyurl.com/lxjxg5p On the webcast, he will be speaking to the following findings: o While computing power has doubled over the last five years, server-heavy organizations’ costs have gone up 63% more than mainframe-heavy organizations. o For every $1 that’s spent on infrastructure costs, Mainframe organizations earn $10.55 while server-heavy organizations earn only $8.22. o Analysis across 15 industries shows that the average IT cost of goods is 35% (on average) less for mainframe-heavy organizations, with the greatest differences in the financial sector. Dr. Rubin will be joined by two industry thought-leaders, Ross Mauri, General Manager, IBM z Systems and Chris O’Malley, CEO of Compuware. Ross will answer questions about mainframe misperceptions and the new capabilities of the z13, while Chris will discuss how increasing technical demand on the mainframe is impacting IT and the entire business. -- TOM MARCHANT | Abend-AID and CSS Development Team | Compuware thomas.march...@compuware.com | O: +1 313 227 5647 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Economics of Mainframe Technology
That's what my notes say. Mainframe 68% of the work; 6% of the budget (Linux 19%; Windows 11%). Don't have work numbers for the other platforms. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Art Gutowski Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 1:37 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Economics of Mainframe Technology If my notes are accurate from Ross' Keynote address to SHARE attendees in Seattle, mainframes account for 68% of production workloads, but only 6% of IT spend (exclusive of aggregate labor costs across platforms). Given the armies of sysadmins to support *nix and windoze platforms, I gotta believe labor costs on these platforms eclipse those of the mainframe. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Economics of Mainframe Technology
arthur.gutow...@gm.com (Art Gutowski) writes: If my notes are accurate from Ross' Keynote address to SHARE attendees in Seattle, mainframes account for 68% of production workloads, but only 6% of IT spend (exclusive of aggregate labor costs across platforms). Given the armies of sysadmins to support *nix and windoze platforms, I gotta believe labor costs on these platforms eclipse those of the mainframe. at industry level ... one of the industries that didn't migrate off mainframe was financial ... which tends to have much higher profit margin than others. in the 90s, there was big effort in the financial industry to migrate to killer micros as lots of other industries were doing ... that failed. those failures had much higher consequences in financial ... and so they've tended to retrench and minimize their risks for some period. at datacenter level ... a large cloud megadatacenter will have hundreds of thousands of systems (more processoring than the aggregate of all mainframes in the world today), massively automated with staff of 80-120 people. large cloud operators have claimed for a decade or more that they assemble their own systems for 1/3rd the cost of brand name vendors ... along with news about server chip vendors starting to ship more chips to cloud operations than to brand name vendors (possibly motivation for IBM to sell off their server chip business). there have been rumors that some of the brand name server vendors have been doing side cloud business ... for large volume order they will price close to that of the costs that the large cloud operators claim (where the massive automation is migrating out into corporations running their own clouds). -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Economics of Mainframe Technology
On Tue, 10 Mar 2015 15:36:30 -0500, Art Gutowski wrote: Given the armies of sysadmins to support *nix and windoze platforms, I gotta believe labor costs on these platforms eclipse those of the mainframe. As Lynn mentions, the move to cloud affects them too - maybe most of all. The time of the Elves is over ... Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
