Replacement for LISTDSI for multivolume datasets searched
These are ALC macros, but, since you have the disk volsers, they can be used. From the manual DFSMSdfp Advanced Services, Document Number SC26-7400-10 Look at OBTAIN and CVAF. K. Kripke kkri...@mindspring.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Replacement for LISTDSI for multivolume datasets searched
I don't dispute fact that replacement for an IDCAMS LISTCAT for determining statuses of cataloged VSAM datasets , etc could be in the future. The csi interface I use. Scott ford www.identityforge.com On Sep 9, 2012, at 1:32 AM, Ed Gould edgould1...@comcast.net wrote: Scott: I would suggest rather than to suggest a bad approach is to keep looking. You never know in 2 years someone might be researching for a similar problem and the issue becomes a problem yet again. Ed On Sep 8, 2012, at 6:24 PM, Scott Ford wrote: Ed, IBM says these things and I understand, but what alternative has been provided and samples with the alternative. Scott ford www.identityforge.com On Sep 8, 2012, at 7:06 PM, Ed Gould edgould1...@comcast.net wrote: Scott: I think IBM seriously suggested that this was not to be used as it is not a programming interface. One off the wall vendor does/did that and every few years it breaks as IDCAMS output changes. Ed On Sep 8, 2012, at 9:43 AM, Scott Ford wrote: Jurgen, You could also call idcams, output sysprint to a Qsam file, read with rexx and parse Scott ford www.identityforge.com On Sep 8, 2012, at 6:46 AM, Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.com wrote: For NONVSAM LISTDSI may work, for VSAM CSI will work. And CSI returns the VOLUMES, RBA, and any other catalog information for both VSAM and NONVSAM. Including if it spans multi volumes. If you look at my other postings on CSI you will see that IBM has provided other samples to show how to extract those fields. For NON Vsam datasets LISTDSI may only show first volumes, not if it spans multi volumes. If you do a LISTC against a dataset and it shows all the volumes, then the CSI will be able to retrieve those for you. The following version of CSI Rexx I came across is much better than the SYS1.SAMPLIB version. However, the enhancement you need is to loop through all the volumes for the dataset. In the SYS1.SAMPLIB Version it only does one even if there are more. It would be a simple matter to continue until the end of the volumes was found. And for those that want a better interface to CSI, I came across this gem on the IBM Website ftp://public.dhe.ibm.com/servers/storage/support/software/dfsms/II14316/II14316.clist.clist or tinyurl http://tinyurl.com/chqotev I have not tried it yet, but apar II14316: A NEW TOOL IS AVAILABLE TO INVOKE THE CSI (CATALOG SEARCH INTERFACE) VIA REXX. Has some interesting context about making this easier to use. Lizette Dear Lizette, thanks for your fast response. I was already aware of the CSI, I used it in other REXX procedures to search for some datasets similar to ISPF 3.4. But AFAIK CSI only gives the name of a dataset, but no other attributes (size etc.). In the case I#m talking about now, I already have the name, but I'm looking for other attributes, mainly the size of these non-VSAM multi-volume files. Because they are multi-volume LISTDSI doesn't work, because they are non-VSAM LISTCAT doesn't help although. Am 08.09.2012 00:58, schrieb Lizette Koehler: Yes, you can use the Catalog Search Interface (CSI) to do this. There is documentation in z/OS V1R12.0 DFSMS Managing Catalogs And a sample in SYS1.SAMPLIB(IGGCSIRX) Lizette -- Freundliche Gruesse / Kind regards -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Replacement for LISTDSI for multivolume datasets searched
Thanks Walt, that what I thought also.. Scott ford www.identityforge.com On Sep 9, 2012, at 7:28 PM, Walt Farrell walt.farr...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 9 Sep 2012 12:05:02 -0400, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't dispute fact that replacement for an IDCAMS LISTCAT for determining statuses of cataloged VSAM datasets , etc could be in the future. The csi interface I use. I doubt that IBM will provide yet another interface. CSI is what people should be using (and recommending) if a program needs info from the catalog. -- Walt -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Replacement for LISTDSI for multivolume datasets searched
Dear Lizette, thanks for your fast response. I was already aware of the CSI, I used it in other REXX procedures to search for some datasets similar to ISPF 3.4. But AFAIK CSI only gives the name of a dataset, but no other attributes (size etc.). In the case I#m talking about now, I already have the name, but I'm looking for other attributes, mainly the size of these non-VSAM multi-volume files. Because they are multi-volume LISTDSI doesn't work, because they are non-VSAM LISTCAT doesn't help although. Am 08.09.2012 00:58, schrieb Lizette Koehler: Yes, you can use the Catalog Search Interface (CSI) to do this. There is documentation in z/OS V1R12.0 DFSMS Managing Catalogs And a sample in SYS1.SAMPLIB(IGGCSIRX) Lizette -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Freundliche Gruesse / Kind regards *Dipl. Math. Juergen Kehr * IT Schulung Beratung / IT Education + Consulting Elfbuchenstrasse 10 34317 Habichtswald Germany Tel. +49-5606-5337408 Fax +49-3222-9341387 Mobil +49-172-5129389 mailto:kehrjuer...@t-online.de mailto:kehrjuer...@googlemail.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Replacement for LISTDSI for multivolume datasets searched
For NONVSAM LISTDSI may work, for VSAM CSI will work. And CSI returns the VOLUMES, RBA, and any other catalog information for both VSAM and NONVSAM. Including if it spans multi volumes. If you look at my other postings on CSI you will see that IBM has provided other samples to show how to extract those fields. For NON Vsam datasets LISTDSI may only show first volumes, not if it spans multi volumes. If you do a LISTC against a dataset and it shows all the volumes, then the CSI will be able to retrieve those for you. The following version of CSI Rexx I came across is much better than the SYS1.SAMPLIB version. However, the enhancement you need is to loop through all the volumes for the dataset. In the SYS1.SAMPLIB Version it only does one even if there are more. It would be a simple matter to continue until the end of the volumes was found. And for those that want a better interface to CSI, I came across this gem on the IBM Website ftp://public.dhe.ibm.com/servers/storage/support/software/dfsms/II14316/II14316.clist.clist or tinyurl http://tinyurl.com/chqotev I have not tried it yet, but apar II14316: A NEW TOOL IS AVAILABLE TO INVOKE THE CSI (CATALOG SEARCH INTERFACE) VIA REXX. Has some interesting context about making this easier to use. Lizette Dear Lizette, thanks for your fast response. I was already aware of the CSI, I used it in other REXX procedures to search for some datasets similar to ISPF 3.4. But AFAIK CSI only gives the name of a dataset, but no other attributes (size etc.). In the case I#m talking about now, I already have the name, but I'm looking for other attributes, mainly the size of these non-VSAM multi-volume files. Because they are multi-volume LISTDSI doesn't work, because they are non-VSAM LISTCAT doesn't help although. Am 08.09.2012 00:58, schrieb Lizette Koehler: Yes, you can use the Catalog Search Interface (CSI) to do this. There is documentation in z/OS V1R12.0 DFSMS Managing Catalogs And a sample in SYS1.SAMPLIB(IGGCSIRX) Lizette -- Freundliche Gruesse / Kind regards -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Replacement for LISTDSI for multivolume datasets searched
Jurgen, You could also call idcams, output sysprint to a Qsam file, read with rexx and parse Scott ford www.identityforge.com On Sep 8, 2012, at 6:46 AM, Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.com wrote: For NONVSAM LISTDSI may work, for VSAM CSI will work. And CSI returns the VOLUMES, RBA, and any other catalog information for both VSAM and NONVSAM. Including if it spans multi volumes. If you look at my other postings on CSI you will see that IBM has provided other samples to show how to extract those fields. For NON Vsam datasets LISTDSI may only show first volumes, not if it spans multi volumes. If you do a LISTC against a dataset and it shows all the volumes, then the CSI will be able to retrieve those for you. The following version of CSI Rexx I came across is much better than the SYS1.SAMPLIB version. However, the enhancement you need is to loop through all the volumes for the dataset. In the SYS1.SAMPLIB Version it only does one even if there are more. It would be a simple matter to continue until the end of the volumes was found. And for those that want a better interface to CSI, I came across this gem on the IBM Website ftp://public.dhe.ibm.com/servers/storage/support/software/dfsms/II14316/II14316.clist.clist or tinyurl http://tinyurl.com/chqotev I have not tried it yet, but apar II14316: A NEW TOOL IS AVAILABLE TO INVOKE THE CSI (CATALOG SEARCH INTERFACE) VIA REXX. Has some interesting context about making this easier to use. Lizette Dear Lizette, thanks for your fast response. I was already aware of the CSI, I used it in other REXX procedures to search for some datasets similar to ISPF 3.4. But AFAIK CSI only gives the name of a dataset, but no other attributes (size etc.). In the case I#m talking about now, I already have the name, but I'm looking for other attributes, mainly the size of these non-VSAM multi-volume files. Because they are multi-volume LISTDSI doesn't work, because they are non-VSAM LISTCAT doesn't help although. Am 08.09.2012 00:58, schrieb Lizette Koehler: Yes, you can use the Catalog Search Interface (CSI) to do this. There is documentation in z/OS V1R12.0 DFSMS Managing Catalogs And a sample in SYS1.SAMPLIB(IGGCSIRX) Lizette -- Freundliche Gruesse / Kind regards -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Replacement for LISTDSI for multivolume datasets searched
Scott: I think IBM seriously suggested that this was not to be used as it is not a programming interface. One off the wall vendor does/did that and every few years it breaks as IDCAMS output changes. Ed On Sep 8, 2012, at 9:43 AM, Scott Ford wrote: Jurgen, You could also call idcams, output sysprint to a Qsam file, read with rexx and parse Scott ford www.identityforge.com On Sep 8, 2012, at 6:46 AM, Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.com wrote: For NONVSAM LISTDSI may work, for VSAM CSI will work. And CSI returns the VOLUMES, RBA, and any other catalog information for both VSAM and NONVSAM. Including if it spans multi volumes. If you look at my other postings on CSI you will see that IBM has provided other samples to show how to extract those fields. For NON Vsam datasets LISTDSI may only show first volumes, not if it spans multi volumes. If you do a LISTC against a dataset and it shows all the volumes, then the CSI will be able to retrieve those for you. The following version of CSI Rexx I came across is much better than the SYS1.SAMPLIB version. However, the enhancement you need is to loop through all the volumes for the dataset. In the SYS1.SAMPLIB Version it only does one even if there are more. It would be a simple matter to continue until the end of the volumes was found. And for those that want a better interface to CSI, I came across this gem on the IBM Website ftp://public.dhe.ibm.com/servers/storage/support/software/dfsms/ II14316/II14316.clist.clist or tinyurl http://tinyurl.com/chqotev I have not tried it yet, but apar II14316: A NEW TOOL IS AVAILABLE TO INVOKE THE CSI (CATALOG SEARCH INTERFACE) VIA REXX. Has some interesting context about making this easier to use. Lizette Dear Lizette, thanks for your fast response. I was already aware of the CSI, I used it in other REXX procedures to search for some datasets similar to ISPF 3.4. But AFAIK CSI only gives the name of a dataset, but no other attributes (size etc.). In the case I#m talking about now, I already have the name, but I'm looking for other attributes, mainly the size of these non-VSAM multi-volume files. Because they are multi- volume LISTDSI doesn't work, because they are non-VSAM LISTCAT doesn't help although. Am 08.09.2012 00:58, schrieb Lizette Koehler: Yes, you can use the Catalog Search Interface (CSI) to do this. There is documentation in z/OS V1R12.0 DFSMS Managing Catalogs And a sample in SYS1.SAMPLIB(IGGCSIRX) Lizette -- Freundliche Gruesse / Kind regards - - For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM- MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Replacement for LISTDSI for multivolume datasets searched
Ed, IBM says these things and I understand, but what alternative has been provided and samples with the alternative. Scott ford www.identityforge.com On Sep 8, 2012, at 7:06 PM, Ed Gould edgould1...@comcast.net wrote: Scott: I think IBM seriously suggested that this was not to be used as it is not a programming interface. One off the wall vendor does/did that and every few years it breaks as IDCAMS output changes. Ed On Sep 8, 2012, at 9:43 AM, Scott Ford wrote: Jurgen, You could also call idcams, output sysprint to a Qsam file, read with rexx and parse Scott ford www.identityforge.com On Sep 8, 2012, at 6:46 AM, Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.com wrote: For NONVSAM LISTDSI may work, for VSAM CSI will work. And CSI returns the VOLUMES, RBA, and any other catalog information for both VSAM and NONVSAM. Including if it spans multi volumes. If you look at my other postings on CSI you will see that IBM has provided other samples to show how to extract those fields. For NON Vsam datasets LISTDSI may only show first volumes, not if it spans multi volumes. If you do a LISTC against a dataset and it shows all the volumes, then the CSI will be able to retrieve those for you. The following version of CSI Rexx I came across is much better than the SYS1.SAMPLIB version. However, the enhancement you need is to loop through all the volumes for the dataset. In the SYS1.SAMPLIB Version it only does one even if there are more. It would be a simple matter to continue until the end of the volumes was found. And for those that want a better interface to CSI, I came across this gem on the IBM Website ftp://public.dhe.ibm.com/servers/storage/support/software/dfsms/II14316/II14316.clist.clist or tinyurl http://tinyurl.com/chqotev I have not tried it yet, but apar II14316: A NEW TOOL IS AVAILABLE TO INVOKE THE CSI (CATALOG SEARCH INTERFACE) VIA REXX. Has some interesting context about making this easier to use. Lizette Dear Lizette, thanks for your fast response. I was already aware of the CSI, I used it in other REXX procedures to search for some datasets similar to ISPF 3.4. But AFAIK CSI only gives the name of a dataset, but no other attributes (size etc.). In the case I#m talking about now, I already have the name, but I'm looking for other attributes, mainly the size of these non-VSAM multi-volume files. Because they are multi-volume LISTDSI doesn't work, because they are non-VSAM LISTCAT doesn't help although. Am 08.09.2012 00:58, schrieb Lizette Koehler: Yes, you can use the Catalog Search Interface (CSI) to do this. There is documentation in z/OS V1R12.0 DFSMS Managing Catalogs And a sample in SYS1.SAMPLIB(IGGCSIRX) Lizette -- Freundliche Gruesse / Kind regards -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Replacement for LISTDSI for multivolume datasets searched
Scott: I would suggest rather than to suggest a bad approach is to keep looking. You never know in 2 years someone might be researching for a similar problem and the issue becomes a problem yet again. Ed On Sep 8, 2012, at 6:24 PM, Scott Ford wrote: Ed, IBM says these things and I understand, but what alternative has been provided and samples with the alternative. Scott ford www.identityforge.com On Sep 8, 2012, at 7:06 PM, Ed Gould edgould1...@comcast.net wrote: Scott: I think IBM seriously suggested that this was not to be used as it is not a programming interface. One off the wall vendor does/did that and every few years it breaks as IDCAMS output changes. Ed On Sep 8, 2012, at 9:43 AM, Scott Ford wrote: Jurgen, You could also call idcams, output sysprint to a Qsam file, read with rexx and parse Scott ford www.identityforge.com On Sep 8, 2012, at 6:46 AM, Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.com wrote: For NONVSAM LISTDSI may work, for VSAM CSI will work. And CSI returns the VOLUMES, RBA, and any other catalog information for both VSAM and NONVSAM. Including if it spans multi volumes. If you look at my other postings on CSI you will see that IBM has provided other samples to show how to extract those fields. For NON Vsam datasets LISTDSI may only show first volumes, not if it spans multi volumes. If you do a LISTC against a dataset and it shows all the volumes, then the CSI will be able to retrieve those for you. The following version of CSI Rexx I came across is much better than the SYS1.SAMPLIB version. However, the enhancement you need is to loop through all the volumes for the dataset. In the SYS1.SAMPLIB Version it only does one even if there are more. It would be a simple matter to continue until the end of the volumes was found. And for those that want a better interface to CSI, I came across this gem on the IBM Website ftp://public.dhe.ibm.com/servers/storage/support/software/dfsms/ II14316/II14316.clist.clist or tinyurl http://tinyurl.com/chqotev I have not tried it yet, but apar II14316: A NEW TOOL IS AVAILABLE TO INVOKE THE CSI (CATALOG SEARCH INTERFACE) VIA REXX. Has some interesting context about making this easier to use. Lizette Dear Lizette, thanks for your fast response. I was already aware of the CSI, I used it in other REXX procedures to search for some datasets similar to ISPF 3.4. But AFAIK CSI only gives the name of a dataset, but no other attributes (size etc.). In the case I#m talking about now, I already have the name, but I'm looking for other attributes, mainly the size of these non-VSAM multi-volume files. Because they are multi-volume LISTDSI doesn't work, because they are non-VSAM LISTCAT doesn't help although. Am 08.09.2012 00:58, schrieb Lizette Koehler: Yes, you can use the Catalog Search Interface (CSI) to do this. There is documentation in z/OS V1R12.0 DFSMS Managing Catalogs And a sample in SYS1.SAMPLIB(IGGCSIRX) Lizette -- Freundliche Gruesse / Kind regards --- --- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM- MAIN - - For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM- MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Replacement for LISTDSI for multivolume datasets searched
Hi, in a REXX application I used LISTDSI to determine the size of some datasets, in order to generate a JCL stream and FTP locsite statements. Now the datasets growed, so I meeded to define some datasets as multi volume files. But here I recognized that LISTDSI doesn't support multi volume datasets. So I'm looking for a replacement for LISTDSI to get the total size of the files on all volumes. Any idea appreciated. -- Freundliche Gruesse / Kind regards *Dipl. Math. Juergen Kehr * IT Schulung Beratung / IT Education + Consulting Elfbuchenstrasse 10 34317 Habichtswald Germany Tel. +49-5606-5337408 Fax +49-3222-9341387 Mobil +49-172-5129389 mailto:kehrjuer...@t-online.de mailto:kehrjuer...@googlemail.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Replacement for LISTDSI for multivolume datasets searched
Yes, you can use the Catalog Search Interface (CSI) to do this. There is documentation in z/OS V1R12.0 DFSMS Managing Catalogs And a sample in SYS1.SAMPLIB(IGGCSIRX) Lizette Hi, in a REXX application I used LISTDSI to determine the size of some datasets, in order to generate a JCL stream and FTP locsite statements. Now the datasets growed, so I meeded to define some datasets as multi volume files. But here I recognized that LISTDSI doesn't support multi volume datasets. So I'm looking for a replacement for LISTDSI to get the total size of the files on all volumes. Any idea appreciated. -- Freundliche Gruesse / Kind regards -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
