Re: Fwd: Shipping Culture Is Hurting Us, or what's wrong with I.T. development

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 16:07:09 -0800, Tom Brennan wrote:

>You made me look -
>http://www.amazon.com/Minder-Wink-App-Enabled-Smart-Tray/dp/B00GN92KQ4
>I can't believe it :)
> 
Hauntingly reminiscent of:
https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~coke/history_long.txt
... perhaps even a patent conflict.

And somewhere, perhaps in the Amazon reviews, someone questioned the
reason for 14 compartments when eggs come in modules of 12.  I had simply
assumed that allowed sending the re-order notification before the tray was
entirely empty.

>But I do somewhat agree with the shipping culture.  I've created some
>small applications myself for various people, and if you initially ask
>them "What do you want?", they can't tell you.  But if you show them
>something - anything - then they start to get ideas and you can go from
>there.
>
I have long felt that if only the Wright Brothers had enjoyed the counsel
of an MBA they could have become the world's leading franchiser of
bicycle repair shops.

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Re: Shipping Culture Is Hurting Us, or what's wrong with I.T. development

[Ed Gould]

err MS is the major issue not so much the others.
Ed
On Feb 18, 2015, at 3:08 AM, Aled Hughes wrote:

What amazed me was that the President of the US invited the heads  
of Microsoft, Google and Apple to a meeting to discuss systems  
security! These are the people that essentially caused the problem  
in the first place. And why wasn't IBM invited? Allegedly, 65 - 70%  
of the world's data is held on mainframes. Not sure if that  
includes all the movies etc held on home PCs.


ALH







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On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 20:54:22 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:


The examples you give are all software.


Indeed.
Let's hope people think about the included software when they're  
buying

hardware. History doesn't inspire confidence.

Then again, when bodies supposedly mandated to protect national  
security
apparently compromise the firmware of commercial hard drives, what  
chance do we

have ?.

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Re: Shipping Culture Is Hurting Us, or what's wrong with I.T. development

[Elardus Engelbrecht]

Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:

> Elardus Engelbrecht said:
>>I know Google is using a special hardened version of Linux system

>SEL, or beyond that?

It is not known. In 
http://www.google.com/about/datacenters/inside/data-security/index.html , 

look at Security White Paper. There is a PDF document which says on page 9:



Designed in-house from the ground up, Google’s production servers are based on 
a stripped and hardened version of Linux that has been customized to include 
only the components necessary to run Google applications, such as those 
services required to administer the system and serve user traffic. The system 
is designed for Google to be able to maintain control over the entire hardware 
and software stack and to help provide a secure application environment.
Google’s production servers are built on a standard hardened operating system 
(OS), and security fixes are uniformly deployed to the company’s entire 
infrastructure. This homogeneous environment is maintained by proprietary 
software that continually monitors systems for binary modifications. If a 
modification is found that differs from the standard Google image, the system 
is automatically returned to its official state. These automated, self-healing 
mechanisms are designed to enable Google to monitor and remediate destabilizing 
events, receive notifications about incidents, and slow down potential 
compromise on the network.



This is apparently the most you will get from Google about their operating 
system(s).

Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht

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Re: Shipping Culture Is Hurting Us, or what's wrong with I.T. development

[John McKown]

On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 8:00 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) <
shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net> wrote:

> In
> <0399470223499986.wa.elardus.engelbrechtsita.co...@listserv.ua.edu>,
> on 02/18/2015
>at 04:40 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht 
> said:
>
> >I know Google is using a special hardened version of Linux system
>
> SEL, or beyond that?
>

​Must be more that just SELinux. I'm running Fedora 21 with SELinux fully
enabled myself, both at home and at work.



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Re: Shipping Culture Is Hurting Us, or what's wrong with I.T. development

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In <8d219718e572baa-c74-7b...@webmail-vm128.sysops.aol.com>, on
02/18/2015
   at 04:08 AM, Aled Hughes
<0050619ca8df-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> said:

>What amazed me was that the President of the US invited the heads 
>of Microsoft, Google and Apple to a meeting to discuss systems 
>security! These are the people that essentially caused the problem 
>in the first place. And why wasn't IBM invited?

Maybe they didn't want IBM to say that the emperor had no clothes?
 
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Re: Shipping Culture Is Hurting Us, or what's wrong with I.T. development

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In
<0399470223499986.wa.elardus.engelbrechtsita.co...@listserv.ua.edu>,
on 02/18/2015
   at 04:40 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht 
said:

>I know Google is using a special hardened version of Linux system

SEL, or beyond that?
 
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Re: Shipping Culture Is Hurting Us, or what's wrong with I.T. development

[Aled Hughes]

G'day Shane/Elardus

Benjamin Disraeli said: ''There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and 
statistics.''

And that great American wit/writer Mark Twain said: ''Facts are stubborn, but 
statistics are more pliable.''

Cheers!

ALH

 

 

 

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On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 04:08:12 -0500, Aled Hughes wrote:

>Allegedly, 65 - 70% of the world's data is held on mainframes.

97% of putts that are under hit don't go in the hole...  ;-)

Never did achieve the degree of confidence in statistics that my Uni lecturers 
would wish.

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Re: Shipping Culture Is Hurting Us, or what's wrong with I.T. development

[Elardus Engelbrecht]

Shane Ginnane wrote:

>>Allegedly, 65 - 70% of the world's data is held on mainframes.
>97% of putts that are under hit don't go in the hole...  ;-)

97% of your stats are 97% flawed... ;-D

Sorry, Shane, but I just can't resist this hole-in-one humour... ;-)

...and no, I am not a golfer anyways, I am too lazy and without balls to play 
with balls using badly designed sticks under the scorching sun.

Groete / Greetings
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Re: Shipping Culture Is Hurting Us, or what's wrong with I.T. development

[Shane Ginnane]

On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 04:08:12 -0500, Aled Hughes wrote:

>Allegedly, 65 - 70% of the world's data is held on mainframes.

97% of putts that are under hit don't go in the hole...  ;-)

Never did achieve the degree of confidence in statistics that my Uni lecturers 
would wish.

Shane ...

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Re: Shipping Culture Is Hurting Us, or what's wrong with I.T. development

[Elardus Engelbrecht]

Aled Hughes wrote:

>Allegedly, 65 - 70% of the world's data is held on mainframes. Not sure if 
>that includes all the movies etc held on home PCs. 

I learned over the years about those allegations. It differs a lot over the 
years. Please define 'data held on mainframe'. Is it Business data like, 
payslips, stock control, logistic data, accounting, trade secrets, etc.?

Ok, what about movies, e-mail correspondence and their backups, 
documentation/policies/procedures/etc. about everything?

Then backup data should not be forgotten - Think Tivoli Storage Manager 
(previously ADSM). These nifty toys store network server data on mainframe 
storage. And that data is just about everything under the shining sun.

Now you mention it - movies - Those YouTube movies - What system is used for 
them for hosting and storing them? Just curious... (For what it is worth, I 
know Google is using a special hardened version of Linux system for their 
searching and cataloging system.)

Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht

PS: I was an ADSM admin and later became TSM admin before dropping that on a 
willing colleague. ;-)

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Re: Shipping Culture Is Hurting Us, or what's wrong with I.T. development

[Aled Hughes]

What amazed me was that the President of the US invited the heads of Microsoft, 
Google and Apple to a meeting to discuss systems security! These are the people 
that essentially caused the problem in the first place. And why wasn't IBM 
invited? Allegedly, 65 - 70% of the world's data is held on mainframes. Not 
sure if that includes all the movies etc held on home PCs. 

ALH

 

 

 

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On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 20:54:22 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:

>The examples you give are all software.

Indeed.
Let's hope people think about the included software when they're buying 
hardware. History doesn't inspire confidence.

Then again, when bodies supposedly mandated to protect national security 
apparently compromise the firmware of commercial hard drives, what chance do we 
have ?.

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Re: Fwd: Shipping Culture Is Hurting Us, or what's wrong with I.T. development

[Shane Ginnane]

On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 20:54:22 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:

>The examples you give are all software.

Indeed.
Let's hope people think about the included software when they're buying 
hardware. History doesn't inspire confidence.

Then again, when bodies supposedly mandated to protect national security 
apparently compromise the firmware of commercial hard drives, what chance do we 
have ?.

Shane ...

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Re: Fwd: Shipping Culture Is Hurting Us, or what's wrong with I.T. development

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In <0269152064501693.wa.ibmmaintpg.com...@listserv.ua.edu>, on
02/17/2015
   at 05:52 PM, Shane Ginnane  said:

>Ain't just software.

The examples you give are all software.

>compromised home routers.

The bug was in the router software, not in the router hardware.
Likewise for all the others you mention.

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Re: Fwd: Shipping Culture Is Hurting Us, or what's wrong with I.T. development

[Tom Brennan]

You made me look -
http://www.amazon.com/Minder-Wink-App-Enabled-Smart-Tray/dp/B00GN92KQ4
I can't believe it :)

But I do somewhat agree with the shipping culture.  I've created some 
small applications myself for various people, and if you initially ask 
them "What do you want?", they can't tell you.  But if you show them 
something - anything - then they start to get ideas and you can go from 
there.


Shane Ginnane wrote:

Ain't just software.
The "internet of things"  is underway, and the same "ship it and be damned" 
attitude prevails. Especially re (absence of) security.
The Christmas Playstation and X-Box attack was launched from compromised home routers. 
Behind those same routers is now an array of {un,in}-secured devices. The future 
"bot of things" - toaster, fridges, TVs that listen to your every word (not 
just the command to change channel). Even egg trays - I kid you not.
TVs have been the first to make it into the news for leaking (deliberately) 
information, but think about your automated thermostat telling the world you've 
just left the house 

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Re: Fwd: Shipping Culture Is Hurting Us, or what's wrong with I.T. development

[Shane Ginnane]

Ain't just software.
The "internet of things"  is underway, and the same "ship it and be damned" 
attitude prevails. Especially re (absence of) security.
The Christmas Playstation and X-Box attack was launched from compromised home 
routers. Behind those same routers is now an array of {un,in}-secured devices. 
The future "bot of things" - toaster, fridges, TVs that listen to your every 
word (not just the command to change channel). Even egg trays - I kid you not.
TVs have been the first to make it into the news for leaking (deliberately) 
information, but think about your automated thermostat telling the world you've 
just left the house 

Shane ...

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Re: Shipping Culture Is Hurting Us, or what's wrong with I.T. development

[John McKown]

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:03 PM, Chase, John  wrote:

> Sounds a lot like "Agile".  :-)
>

​I like how Joe Celko (SQL expert) ​defined "Agile Programming": "Code
first, design later!"



>
> But then Steve Jobs made a fortune building things people didn't know they
> wanted.  :-)
>
> -jc-
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Re: Shipping Culture Is Hurting Us, or what's wrong with I.T. development

[Chase, John]

Sounds a lot like "Agile".  :-)

But then Steve Jobs made a fortune building things people didn't know they 
wanted.  :-)

-jc-

> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of John McKown
> 
> Too good not to pass to this group.
> 
> Preach it, Brother!
> 
> 
> ...
> Quickly getting something in front of the people that will actually use it is 
> a great idea. It means
> you waste less time building something they don’t actually want. But I look 
> around the industry today
> and I get worried.
> Don’t get me wrong – I see brilliant people shipping brilliant, innovative 
> software. But I also see a
> lot of us using half-baked technologies to shove half-assed software out the 
> door.
> ...
> 
> 
> -- Forwarded message ------
> From: Dave Jones 
> Date: Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 9:20 AM
> Subject: Shipping Culture Is Hurting Us, or what's wrong with I.T.
> development
> To: ib...@listserv.uark.edu
> 
> 
> A good read, imho:
> 
> http://bitbashing.io/2015/02/16/shipping-culture.html
> 
> Have a good one, too.
> 
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Fwd: Shipping Culture Is Hurting Us, or what's wrong with I.T. development

[John McKown]

Too good not to pass to this group.

Preach it, Brother!


...
Quickly getting something in front of the people that will actually use it
is a great idea. It means you waste less time building something they don’t
actually want. But I look around the industry today and I get worried.
Don’t get me wrong – I see brilliant people shipping brilliant, innovative
software. But I also see a lot of us using half-baked technologies to shove
half-assed software out the door.
...


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Date: Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 9:20 AM
Subject: Shipping Culture Is Hurting Us, or what's wrong with I.T.
development
To: ib...@listserv.uark.edu


A good read, imho:

http://bitbashing.io/2015/02/16/shipping-culture.html

Have a good one, too.

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Houston, TX
281.578.7544

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