Re: The world was promised 'cloud magic'. So much for that fairy tale

2022-11-10 Thread Bob Bridges 
"Clearly users have figured out that clouds have often taken them for a
ride."

Well, maybe not so clearly.  Don't get me wrong; as a security geek I'm
unhappy at the thought of entrusting my employer's mainframe security to an
external company, especially one whose main business isn't security.  But
the evidence the writer cites doesn't lead to the inescapable conclusion
that users now know the cloud claims are false.

It does seem like an obvious interpretation, though.

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Re: The world was promised 'cloud magic'. So much for that fairy tale

2022-11-10 Thread Paul Gilmartin 
On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 11:02:59 -0500, Phil Smith III wrote:

>https://www-theregister-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.theregister.com/AMP/2
>022/11/02/cloud_magic_era_ends/
>
404?  Perhaps 

>Funny, nobody said this about timesharing back in the day. (yeah, yeah,
>
I perceive some sarcasm there, but I can't tell where it's directed.
Nearly a half-century ago, a professor I know was fond of sneering,
"Ttimesharing is a waste of time!"  He preferred to operate with keypunch
and printer, which worked well for him.

Does "Ttimesharing" refer to moving to terminals as I/O devices or to
closing corporate data centers and moving to service bureaus?"

>EVERYTHING was different, but still)
>
And note that the article seems to advocate not moving back to traditional
operations but onward to "well-ventilated cabinets and careful attention to
resilient energy and comms connections."

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Re: The world was promised 'cloud magic'. So much for that fairy tale

2022-11-10 Thread Paul Gilmartin 
On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 11:02:59 -0500, Phil Smith III  wrote:

>https://www-theregister-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.theregister.com/AMP/2
>022/11/02/cloud_magic_era_ends/
>
404?  Perhaps 

>Funny, nobody said this about timesharing back in the day. (yeah, yeah,
>EVERYTHING was different, but still)

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Re: The world was promised 'cloud magic'. So much for that fairy tale

2022-11-10 Thread Matt Hogstrom 
Music to our ears … but … cloud has given a scale out model that supports new 
runtimes other than CICS, IMS and Java.   Operational automation built into the 
platform, networking magic that is complicated at velocity and other new 
capabilities around CI/CD, … 

Let’s not throw the baby out with the bathwater.  Cloud has driven innovation 
that otherwise wouldn’t have happened if people had simply kept the status quo. 
  

I’m most encouraged about the incorporation of these technologies onto IBM z so 
that customers can get the best of all worlds on the platform and we do have 
Cloud to thank for that.

Matt Hogstrom


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about everything
A specialist knows more and more about less and less till he knows everything 
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> On Nov 10, 2022, at 11:58 AM, Bill Johnson 
> <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> 
> All the cloud clowns aren’t going to be happy. Most of them were the same 
> people who said banks were being replaced by internet banks and one had 40 
> million accounts. The same people didn’t think pharmacies were open 24 by 7. 
> (I know not ALL) Those same people have never seen interest rates above zero, 
> probably think Elon Musk is a genius, and global warming isn’t real. 
> 
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> On Thursday, November 10, 2022, 11:03 AM, Phil Smith III  
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> https://www-theregister-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.theregister.com/AMP/2
> 022/11/02/cloud_magic_era_ends/
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> 
> 
> Funny, nobody said this about timesharing back in the day. (yeah, yeah,
> EVERYTHING was different, but still)
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Re: The world was promised 'cloud magic'. So much for that fairy tale

2022-11-10 Thread Bill Johnson 
All the cloud clowns aren’t going to be happy. Most of them were the same 
people who said banks were being replaced by internet banks and one had 40 
million accounts. The same people didn’t think pharmacies were open 24 by 7. (I 
know not ALL) Those same people have never seen interest rates above zero, 
probably think Elon Musk is a genius, and global warming isn’t real. 


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https://www-theregister-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.theregister.com/AMP/2
022/11/02/cloud_magic_era_ends/

 

Funny, nobody said this about timesharing back in the day. (yeah, yeah,
EVERYTHING was different, but still)


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The world was promised 'cloud magic'. So much for that fairy tale

2022-11-10 Thread Phil Smith III 
https://www-theregister-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.theregister.com/AMP/2
022/11/02/cloud_magic_era_ends/

 

Funny, nobody said this about timesharing back in the day. (yeah, yeah,
EVERYTHING was different, but still)


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