Re: VSAM Return Code 44 Received on Write to Fixed Length File

2012-11-21 Thread John Weber
Thank you for the assistance with our problem.

It turns out our secondary index which allows non-unique records was running 
into the default limit.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

John

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Subject: Re: VSAM Return Code 44 Received on Write to Fixed Length File

Then u get some default. Do a LISTC on the AIX to see what it is. You might 
want to PRINT the records in the AIX itself just to see. Or on an EXAMINE on it.
On Nov 19, 2012 6:52 PM, John Weber j...@fiteq.com wrote:

 Interesting about a secondary status variable.  We'll investigate that.

 Regarding the AIX definitions.  We do not include a RECORDSIZE parameter.

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 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] 
 On Behalf Of John McKown
 Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 4:44 PM
 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
 Subject: Re: VSAM Return Code 44 Received on Write to Fixed Length 
 File

 My habit with VSAM is to use the second COBOL FILE STATUS variable to 
 get the actual VSAM return and reason codes. Often that is the only 
 way to determine the actual reason.

 What comes to mind in your case is that the RECORDSIZE on your AIX is 
 too small to record all the base keys associated with a single AIX 
 key. This can cause a 44. Normally these keys are either ALL SPACES or 
 ALL LOW-VALUES or maybe ALL HIGH-VALUES.
  On Nov 19, 2012 6:21 PM, John Weber j...@fiteq.com wrote:

  The only sysprint from the job is the status code display from the
 program.
 
  -Original Message-
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  [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler
  Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 3:28 PM
  To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
  Subject: Re: VSAM Return Code 44 Received on Write to Fixed Length 
  File
 
  Could you post the IDC messages for the 44?
 
  Lizette
 
 
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  From: John Weber j...@fiteq.com
  Sent: Nov 19, 2012 4:11 PM
  To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
  Subject: VSAM Return Code 44 Received on Write to Fixed Length File
  
  We are using a batch process to write account records to a VSAM 
  file while also writing records to an audit file which is also a VSAM file.
  
  Both files include an index and several alternate indexes.
  Each alternate index allows duplicates (NONUNIQUEKEY).
  
  The audit file receives a VSAM return code of 44 and discontinues 
  writing after writing 3,258 of 10,000 records.
  
  Neither file is a variable file so the explanation of return code 
  44 is not relevant to the problem or solution.  (44 - REWRITE of 
  different size record)
  
  The sizing in our allocations of our primary data and secondary 
  index elements are appropriate for both files given the data in this 
  exercise.
  
  Please advise on problem solving this issue and/or what additional
  information is needed.
  
  Thank you...
  
  John
  
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Re: VSAM Return Code 44 Received on Write to Fixed Length File

2012-11-20 Thread McKown, John
Sorry about delay in reply. Was at home and got caught up in other things. In 
the LISTCAT, you need to look at the values in AVGLRECL and MAXLRECL. In the 
VSAM DEFINE, you can have RECORDSIZE(avg max). No offense, but it sounds like 
you could use some basic VSAM training (not my forte, BTW). 

You may be surprised to be told that, in VSAM, there really isn't such a thing 
as a fixed length record size. Oh, you can specify RECORDSIZE(n n) where n is 
supposedly the fixed record size. And guess what? VSAM doesn't care if you 
write a record which is too short or too long according to those values. 
The only thing you cannot do is write a record larger than the CISIZE minus 
4(?). And if you define the cluster with the SPANNED attribute, you can write a 
record which spans multiple CIs up to an entire CA in length (minus overhead of 
4 bytes per CI).

Again, your problem is _most likely_ that you have too many base records with a 
given alternate key. And I'd bet that key is one of ALL SPACES, ALL LOW-VALUES, 
or ALL HIGH-VALUES. But I could be wrong. Perhaps it is something like a 
zipcode. Or phone area code. I guess it depends on what your alternate index is 
based on. We had this exact problem where the alternate key was LOW-VALUES 
because the programmer used that for unknown. The programmer then wanted to 
have VSAM modified so that it would not maintain an alternate key when the 
value was LOW-VALUES, but would for any other value. Like I had the source to 
VSAM and could modify it to meet his desires. Most weird to me.

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 On Behalf Of John Weber
 Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 7:37 PM
 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
 Subject: Re: VSAM Return Code 44 Received on Write to Fixed Length File
 
 What are we looking for in the LISTCAT output?  RECORDSIZE is not
 found.  Is this because our VSAM file has a fixed length?  Thanks.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]
 On Behalf Of John McKown
 Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 5:10 PM
 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
 Subject: Re: VSAM Return Code 44 Received on Write to Fixed Length File
 
 Then u get some default. Do a LISTC on the AIX to see what it is. You
 might want to PRINT the records in the AIX itself just to see. Or on an
 EXAMINE on it.
 On Nov 19, 2012 6:52 PM, John Weber j...@fiteq.com wrote:
 
  Interesting about a secondary status variable.  We'll investigate
 that.
 
  Regarding the AIX definitions.  We do not include a RECORDSIZE
 parameter.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]
  On Behalf Of John McKown
  Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 4:44 PM
  To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
  Subject: Re: VSAM Return Code 44 Received on Write to Fixed Length
  File
 
  My habit with VSAM is to use the second COBOL FILE STATUS variable to
  get the actual VSAM return and reason codes. Often that is the only
  way to determine the actual reason.
 
  What comes to mind in your case is that the RECORDSIZE on your AIX is
  too small to record all the base keys associated with a single AIX
  key. This can cause a 44. Normally these keys are either ALL SPACES
 or
  ALL LOW-VALUES or maybe ALL HIGH-VALUES.
   On Nov 19, 2012 6:21 PM, John Weber j...@fiteq.com wrote:
 
   The only sysprint from the job is the status code display from the
  program.
  
   -Original Message-
   From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List
   [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler
   Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 3:28 PM
   To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
   Subject: Re: VSAM Return Code 44 Received on Write to Fixed Length
   File
  
   Could you post the IDC messages for the 44?
  
   Lizette
  
  
   -Original Message-
   From: John Weber j...@fiteq.com
   Sent: Nov 19, 2012 4:11 PM
   To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
   Subject: VSAM Return Code 44 Received on Write to Fixed Length
 File
   
   We are using a batch process to write account records to a VSAM
   file while also writing records to an audit file which is also a
 VSAM file.
   
   Both files include an index and several alternate indexes.
   Each alternate index

VSAM Return Code 44 Received on Write to Fixed Length File

2012-11-19 Thread John Weber
We are using a batch process to write account records to a VSAM file
while also writing records to an audit file which is also a VSAM file.

Both files include an index and several alternate indexes.
Each alternate index allows duplicates (NONUNIQUEKEY).

The audit file receives a VSAM return code of 44 and discontinues writing
after writing 3,258 of 10,000 records.

Neither file is a variable file so the explanation of return code 44 is not
relevant to the problem or solution.  (44 - REWRITE of different size record)

The sizing in our allocations of our primary data and secondary index elements
are appropriate for both files given the data in this exercise.

Please advise on problem solving this issue and/or what additional information 
is needed.

Thank you...

John

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Re: VSAM Return Code 44 Received on Write to Fixed Length File

2012-11-19 Thread Lizette Koehler
Could you post the IDC messages for the 44?

Lizette


-Original Message-
From: John Weber j...@fiteq.com
Sent: Nov 19, 2012 4:11 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: VSAM Return Code 44 Received on Write to Fixed Length File

We are using a batch process to write account records to a VSAM file
while also writing records to an audit file which is also a VSAM file.

Both files include an index and several alternate indexes.
Each alternate index allows duplicates (NONUNIQUEKEY).

The audit file receives a VSAM return code of 44 and discontinues writing
after writing 3,258 of 10,000 records.

Neither file is a variable file so the explanation of return code 44 is not
relevant to the problem or solution.  (44 - REWRITE of different size record)

The sizing in our allocations of our primary data and secondary index elements
are appropriate for both files given the data in this exercise.

Please advise on problem solving this issue and/or what additional information 
is needed.

Thank you...

John

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Re: VSAM Return Code 44 Received on Write to Fixed Length File

2012-11-19 Thread John Weber
The only sysprint from the job is the status code display from the program. 

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Lizette Koehler
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To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: VSAM Return Code 44 Received on Write to Fixed Length File

Could you post the IDC messages for the 44?

Lizette


-Original Message-
From: John Weber j...@fiteq.com
Sent: Nov 19, 2012 4:11 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: VSAM Return Code 44 Received on Write to Fixed Length File

We are using a batch process to write account records to a VSAM file 
while also writing records to an audit file which is also a VSAM file.

Both files include an index and several alternate indexes.
Each alternate index allows duplicates (NONUNIQUEKEY).

The audit file receives a VSAM return code of 44 and discontinues 
writing after writing 3,258 of 10,000 records.

Neither file is a variable file so the explanation of return code 44 is 
not relevant to the problem or solution.  (44 - REWRITE of different 
size record)

The sizing in our allocations of our primary data and secondary index 
elements are appropriate for both files given the data in this exercise.

Please advise on problem solving this issue and/or what additional information 
is needed.

Thank you...

John

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Re: VSAM Return Code 44 Received on Write to Fixed Length File

2012-11-19 Thread John Weber
Interesting about a secondary status variable.  We'll investigate that.

Regarding the AIX definitions.  We do not include a RECORDSIZE parameter.

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of John McKown
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 4:44 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: VSAM Return Code 44 Received on Write to Fixed Length File

My habit with VSAM is to use the second COBOL FILE STATUS variable to get the 
actual VSAM return and reason codes. Often that is the only way to determine 
the actual reason.

What comes to mind in your case is that the RECORDSIZE on your AIX is too small 
to record all the base keys associated with a single AIX key. This can cause a 
44. Normally these keys are either ALL SPACES or ALL LOW-VALUES or maybe ALL 
HIGH-VALUES.
 On Nov 19, 2012 6:21 PM, John Weber j...@fiteq.com wrote:

 The only sysprint from the job is the status code display from the program.

 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] 
 On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler
 Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 3:28 PM
 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
 Subject: Re: VSAM Return Code 44 Received on Write to Fixed Length 
 File

 Could you post the IDC messages for the 44?

 Lizette


 -Original Message-
 From: John Weber j...@fiteq.com
 Sent: Nov 19, 2012 4:11 PM
 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
 Subject: VSAM Return Code 44 Received on Write to Fixed Length File
 
 We are using a batch process to write account records to a VSAM file 
 while also writing records to an audit file which is also a VSAM file.
 
 Both files include an index and several alternate indexes.
 Each alternate index allows duplicates (NONUNIQUEKEY).
 
 The audit file receives a VSAM return code of 44 and discontinues 
 writing after writing 3,258 of 10,000 records.
 
 Neither file is a variable file so the explanation of return code 44 
 is not relevant to the problem or solution.  (44 - REWRITE of 
 different size record)
 
 The sizing in our allocations of our primary data and secondary index 
 elements are appropriate for both files given the data in this exercise.
 
 Please advise on problem solving this issue and/or what additional
 information is needed.
 
 Thank you...
 
 John
 
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Re: VSAM Return Code 44 Received on Write to Fixed Length File

2012-11-19 Thread John McKown
Then u get some default. Do a LISTC on the AIX to see what it is. You might
want to PRINT the records in the AIX itself just to see. Or on an EXAMINE
on it.
On Nov 19, 2012 6:52 PM, John Weber j...@fiteq.com wrote:

 Interesting about a secondary status variable.  We'll investigate that.

 Regarding the AIX definitions.  We do not include a RECORDSIZE parameter.

 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
 Behalf Of John McKown
 Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 4:44 PM
 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
 Subject: Re: VSAM Return Code 44 Received on Write to Fixed Length File

 My habit with VSAM is to use the second COBOL FILE STATUS variable to get
 the actual VSAM return and reason codes. Often that is the only way to
 determine the actual reason.

 What comes to mind in your case is that the RECORDSIZE on your AIX is too
 small to record all the base keys associated with a single AIX key. This
 can cause a 44. Normally these keys are either ALL SPACES or ALL LOW-VALUES
 or maybe ALL HIGH-VALUES.
  On Nov 19, 2012 6:21 PM, John Weber j...@fiteq.com wrote:

  The only sysprint from the job is the status code display from the
 program.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]
  On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler
  Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 3:28 PM
  To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
  Subject: Re: VSAM Return Code 44 Received on Write to Fixed Length
  File
 
  Could you post the IDC messages for the 44?
 
  Lizette
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: John Weber j...@fiteq.com
  Sent: Nov 19, 2012 4:11 PM
  To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
  Subject: VSAM Return Code 44 Received on Write to Fixed Length File
  
  We are using a batch process to write account records to a VSAM file
  while also writing records to an audit file which is also a VSAM file.
  
  Both files include an index and several alternate indexes.
  Each alternate index allows duplicates (NONUNIQUEKEY).
  
  The audit file receives a VSAM return code of 44 and discontinues
  writing after writing 3,258 of 10,000 records.
  
  Neither file is a variable file so the explanation of return code 44
  is not relevant to the problem or solution.  (44 - REWRITE of
  different size record)
  
  The sizing in our allocations of our primary data and secondary index
  elements are appropriate for both files given the data in this exercise.
  
  Please advise on problem solving this issue and/or what additional
  information is needed.
  
  Thank you...
  
  John
  
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Re: VSAM Return Code 44 Received on Write to Fixed Length File

2012-11-19 Thread John Weber
What are we looking for in the LISTCAT output?  RECORDSIZE is not found.  Is 
this because our VSAM file has a fixed length?  Thanks.

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Of John McKown
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 5:10 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: VSAM Return Code 44 Received on Write to Fixed Length File

Then u get some default. Do a LISTC on the AIX to see what it is. You might 
want to PRINT the records in the AIX itself just to see. Or on an EXAMINE on it.
On Nov 19, 2012 6:52 PM, John Weber j...@fiteq.com wrote:

 Interesting about a secondary status variable.  We'll investigate that.

 Regarding the AIX definitions.  We do not include a RECORDSIZE parameter.

 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] 
 On Behalf Of John McKown
 Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 4:44 PM
 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
 Subject: Re: VSAM Return Code 44 Received on Write to Fixed Length 
 File

 My habit with VSAM is to use the second COBOL FILE STATUS variable to 
 get the actual VSAM return and reason codes. Often that is the only 
 way to determine the actual reason.

 What comes to mind in your case is that the RECORDSIZE on your AIX is 
 too small to record all the base keys associated with a single AIX 
 key. This can cause a 44. Normally these keys are either ALL SPACES or 
 ALL LOW-VALUES or maybe ALL HIGH-VALUES.
  On Nov 19, 2012 6:21 PM, John Weber j...@fiteq.com wrote:

  The only sysprint from the job is the status code display from the
 program.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
  [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler
  Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 3:28 PM
  To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
  Subject: Re: VSAM Return Code 44 Received on Write to Fixed Length 
  File
 
  Could you post the IDC messages for the 44?
 
  Lizette
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: John Weber j...@fiteq.com
  Sent: Nov 19, 2012 4:11 PM
  To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
  Subject: VSAM Return Code 44 Received on Write to Fixed Length File
  
  We are using a batch process to write account records to a VSAM 
  file while also writing records to an audit file which is also a VSAM file.
  
  Both files include an index and several alternate indexes.
  Each alternate index allows duplicates (NONUNIQUEKEY).
  
  The audit file receives a VSAM return code of 44 and discontinues 
  writing after writing 3,258 of 10,000 records.
  
  Neither file is a variable file so the explanation of return code 
  44 is not relevant to the problem or solution.  (44 - REWRITE of 
  different size record)
  
  The sizing in our allocations of our primary data and secondary 
  index elements are appropriate for both files given the data in this 
  exercise.
  
  Please advise on problem solving this issue and/or what additional
  information is needed.
  
  Thank you...
  
  John
  
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