Re: Yet Another Mainframe z10 Bites the Dust!
John McKown wrote: >> >>> Thanks for the warning on degaussing Timothy! *George Rodriguez* >> Does Timothy *need* degaussing??? >Only if he has a magnetic personality. Should work, he has an iron fist... ;-) Apology to Timothy, just a little word play since this is not Friday today. Timothy, I value your posts here on IBM-MAIN, please keept it up! Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Yet Another Mainframe z10 Bites the Dust!
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Re: Yet Another Mainframe z10 Bites the Dust!
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Re: Yet Another Mainframe z10 Bites the Dust!
Thanks for the warning on degaussing Timothy! I appreciate it! We chose not to use encryption, why I'm not sure. If there's a next time, that'll happen! *George Rodriguez* *Specialist II - IT Security* *PX - 47652* *(561) 357-7652 (office)* *(954) 415-7586 (mobile)* *School District of Palm Beach County* *3348 Forest Hill Blvd.* *Room B-332* *West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869* *Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District* On Sat, Sep 15, 2018 at 8:51 PM Timothy Sipples wrote: > Kees Vernooij wrote: > >Some VTL's (a.o. TS77xx) have a backend tapelibrary > >with physical tapes. They need to be erased too. > >When we dismissed our STK tapelibrary, we hired a > >degausser to erase the data on the tapes. > > FYI, modern tape media, including all IBM 3592 series, have prerecorded > servo tracks. Degaussing such tape media will not only erase the data but > will also render the tapes unable to store any future data. > > Tape cartridges are designed for mobility, and in my view (I'm not alone) > they are the highest priority for implementation of storage-level > encryption. All IBM 3592 family tape drives beginning with the IBM TS1120 > support tape device-level encryption. You just have to configure it and > follow the implementation steps to use it. Then, when it comes time to > dispose media, you either destroy or retain the keys, and you're done -- > and the tape media can be sold or donated, and reused. > > If you haven't encrypted your tapes and need to protect data then please > consider overwriting the tapes so that they can be sold or donated. There > is often some value in the tape media. Degaussing, however, means the tape > cartridges are trashed, hopefully recycled for their materials in an > environmentally responsible way. > > Hard drives are much the same and have been for many years. Degaussing > utterly destroys them. > > > > Timothy Sipples > IT Architect Executive, Industry Solutions, IBM Z & LinuxONE, > Multi-Geography > E-Mail: sipp...@sg.ibm.com > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- *Disclaimer: *Under Florida law, e-mail addresses are public records. If you do not want your e-mail address released in response to a public records request, do not send electronic mail to this entity. Instead, contact this office by phone or in writing. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Yet Another Mainframe z10 Bites the Dust!
Kees Vernooij wrote: >Some VTL's (a.o. TS77xx) have a backend tapelibrary >with physical tapes. They need to be erased too. >When we dismissed our STK tapelibrary, we hired a >degausser to erase the data on the tapes. FYI, modern tape media, including all IBM 3592 series, have prerecorded servo tracks. Degaussing such tape media will not only erase the data but will also render the tapes unable to store any future data. Tape cartridges are designed for mobility, and in my view (I'm not alone) they are the highest priority for implementation of storage-level encryption. All IBM 3592 family tape drives beginning with the IBM TS1120 support tape device-level encryption. You just have to configure it and follow the implementation steps to use it. Then, when it comes time to dispose media, you either destroy or retain the keys, and you're done -- and the tape media can be sold or donated, and reused. If you haven't encrypted your tapes and need to protect data then please consider overwriting the tapes so that they can be sold or donated. There is often some value in the tape media. Degaussing, however, means the tape cartridges are trashed, hopefully recycled for their materials in an environmentally responsible way. Hard drives are much the same and have been for many years. Degaussing utterly destroys them. Timothy Sipples IT Architect Executive, Industry Solutions, IBM Z & LinuxONE, Multi-Geography E-Mail: sipp...@sg.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Yet Another Mainframe z10 Bites the Dust!
Thanks ListServ listeners! A lot of good info. The people that provide the the maintenance for the hardware is research how best to do what I need. I'm pretty sure that the underlying operating system is AIX (IBM's version of UNIX) and I have in house experts on that OS. I will ask them how to format the disk drives from the operator console. Again thanks so much for all the ideas. I'll let you know the outcome! *George Rodriguez* *Specialist II - IT Security* *PX - 47652* *(561) 357-7652 (office)* *(954) 415-7586 (mobile)* *School District of Palm Beach County* *3348 Forest Hill Blvd.* *Room B-332* *West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869* *Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District* On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 5:25 AM Robert S. Hansel (RSH) < r.han...@rshconsulting.com> wrote: > Todd, > Unfortunately, ERASE only works on DASD datasets. It doesn't do tapes, > even virtual ones. Clever idea nonetheless. > > George, > Does your tape management product or VTL hardware vendor provide utilities > for this task? > > Regards, Bob > > Robert S. Hansel > Lead RACF Specialist > RSH Consulting, Inc. > 617-969-8211 > www.linkedin.com/in/roberthansel > www.twitter.com/RSH_RACF > www.rshconsulting.com > > > Upcoming RSH RACF Training - WebEx > - RACF Audit & Compliance Roadmap - SEPT 10-14, 2018 > - RACF Level I Administration - DEC 4-7, 2018 > - RACF Level II Administration - NOV 5-9, 2018 > - RACF Level III Admin, Audit, & Compliance - OCT 1-5, 2018 > - RACF - Securing z/OS UNIX - OCT 22-26, 2018 > > > > -Original Message----- > Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 15:32:31 + > From:"Burrell, Todd" > Subject: Re: Yet Another Mainframe z10 Bites the Dust! > > Not sure if turning on ERASE on SCRATCH in RACF - and then deleting the > datasets would work? Just a thought? > > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of George Rodriguez > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 11:16 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Yet Another Mainframe z10 Bites the Dust! > > The School District of Palm Beach County is finally shutting down the IBM > z10 and all its components. > > I was wondering if any member the listserve can help me with "wiping out" > out VTL. Any help will be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks! > > *George Rodriguez* > > *Specialist II - IT Security* > *PX - 47652* > *(561) 357-7652 (office)* > *(954) 415-7586 (mobile)* > *School District of Palm Beach County* > *3348 Forest Hill Blvd.* > *Room B-332* > *West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869* > *Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District* > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- *Disclaimer: *Under Florida law, e-mail addresses are public records. If you do not want your e-mail address released in response to a public records request, do not send electronic mail to this entity. Instead, contact this office by phone or in writing. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Yet Another Mainframe z10 Bites the Dust!
Todd, Unfortunately, ERASE only works on DASD datasets. It doesn't do tapes, even virtual ones. Clever idea nonetheless. George, Does your tape management product or VTL hardware vendor provide utilities for this task? Regards, Bob Robert S. Hansel Lead RACF Specialist RSH Consulting, Inc. 617-969-8211 www.linkedin.com/in/roberthansel www.twitter.com/RSH_RACF www.rshconsulting.com Upcoming RSH RACF Training - WebEx - RACF Audit & Compliance Roadmap - SEPT 10-14, 2018 - RACF Level I Administration - DEC 4-7, 2018 - RACF Level II Administration - NOV 5-9, 2018 - RACF Level III Admin, Audit, & Compliance - OCT 1-5, 2018 - RACF - Securing z/OS UNIX - OCT 22-26, 2018 -Original Message- Date:Thu, 13 Sep 2018 15:32:31 + From:"Burrell, Todd" Subject: Re: Yet Another Mainframe z10 Bites the Dust! Not sure if turning on ERASE on SCRATCH in RACF - and then deleting the datasets would work? Just a thought? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of George Rodriguez Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 11:16 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Yet Another Mainframe z10 Bites the Dust! The School District of Palm Beach County is finally shutting down the IBM z10 and all its components. I was wondering if any member the listserve can help me with "wiping out" out VTL. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks! *George Rodriguez* *Specialist II - IT Security* *PX - 47652* *(561) 357-7652 (office)* *(954) 415-7586 (mobile)* *School District of Palm Beach County* *3348 Forest Hill Blvd.* *Room B-332* *West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869* *Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District* -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Yet Another Mainframe z10 Bites the Dust!
Some VTL's (a.o. TS77xx) have a backend tapelibrary with physical tapes. They need to be erased too. When we dismissed our STK tapelibrary, we hired a degausser to erase the data on the tapes. Kees. > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Brian Westerman > Sent: 14 September, 2018 9:08 > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Yet Another Mainframe z10 Bites the Dust! > > Depending on the VTL, you should be able to access the underlaying > operating system (normally some form of unix) via the command line or > terminal access and simply reformat the data partitions on the hard > drive(s). I know this can be done on Optica, and Luminex and IBM's > TS77xx, I am assuming that all other vendors allow the same process. > They would be silly not to. > > The tapes are actually just disk files on regular hard drives or > partitions, and they can be formatted just like any other hard drives. > Typically, the vendors have their OS on one drive (or partition) and > your data is on one or more other partitions (or completely other > drives). You can securely format them with the native (normally unix) > format commands, and you can format them to some other disk type if it > makes you happy, then format them back to the base type so they can be > used by whoever you sell the box to. > > The entire format process takes about 10 minutes per TB to do a complete > format that writes zeros multiple times to each byte. You can quick > format if you want but I don't think that will give you the security you > are looking for. So, it will run a while, so just start it and go home > for a while. > > Brian > > > > On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 22:16:55 -0400, Doug wrote: > > >Maybe I missed a post but, what ‘VTL’ are you running? > >IBM has a feature code that a CE can order that will do a data erase on > the library, cache and disk. The physical backend tapes would need to be > certified destroyed. Iron Mountain can do that for you. > >Just my 2 cents > >Doug > > > >. > > > >On Sep 13, 2018, at 17:32, Mike Schwab wrote: > > > >Once all the tapes are deleted by writing to all 50K, you just have to > >write as many volumes as needed to fill VTS. The large the dataset, > >the fewer the volumes. > >On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 2:52 PM George Rodriguez > ><016eebd7289b-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > >> > >> That's a big order. There are 50,000 virtual tapes defined in the > system... > >> WOW! > >> > >> *George Rodriguez* > >> > >> *Specialist II - IT Security* > >> *PX - 47652* > >> *(561) 357-7652 (office)* > >> *(954) 415-7586 (mobile)* > >> *School District of Palm Beach County* > >> *3348 Forest Hill Blvd.* > >> *Room B-332* > >> *West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869* > >> *Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District* > >> > >> > >>> On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 2:29 PM Mike Schwab > wrote: > >>> > >>> Overwrite each tape with a one track dataset of low values. > >>> Then overwrite tapes with a very large dataset of low values until > VTS is > >>> full. > >>> Repeat one track / large datasets with high values and b'01010101'. > >>> > >>> Repeat the 3 cycles until desired number of overwrites are > accomplished. > >>> > >>> On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 10:16 AM George Rodriguez > >>> <016eebd7289b-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> The School District of Palm Beach County is finally shutting down > the IBM > >>>> z10 and all its components. > >>>> > >>>> I was wondering if any member the listserve can help me with > "wiping out" > >>>> out VTL. Any help will be greatly appreciated. > >>>> > >>>> Thanks! > >>>> > >>>> *George Rodriguez* > >>>> > >>>> *Specialist II - IT Security* > >>>> *PX - 47652* > >>>> *(561) 357-7652 (office)* > >>>> *(954) 415-7586 (mobile)* > >>>> *School District of Palm Beach County* > >>>> *3348 Forest Hill Blvd.* > >>>> *Room B-332* > >>>> *West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869* > >>>> *Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District* > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>
Re: Yet Another Mainframe z10 Bites the Dust!
Depending on the VTL, you should be able to access the underlaying operating system (normally some form of unix) via the command line or terminal access and simply reformat the data partitions on the hard drive(s). I know this can be done on Optica, and Luminex and IBM's TS77xx, I am assuming that all other vendors allow the same process. They would be silly not to. The tapes are actually just disk files on regular hard drives or partitions, and they can be formatted just like any other hard drives. Typically, the vendors have their OS on one drive (or partition) and your data is on one or more other partitions (or completely other drives). You can securely format them with the native (normally unix) format commands, and you can format them to some other disk type if it makes you happy, then format them back to the base type so they can be used by whoever you sell the box to. The entire format process takes about 10 minutes per TB to do a complete format that writes zeros multiple times to each byte. You can quick format if you want but I don't think that will give you the security you are looking for. So, it will run a while, so just start it and go home for a while. Brian On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 22:16:55 -0400, Doug wrote: >Maybe I missed a post but, what ‘VTL’ are you running? >IBM has a feature code that a CE can order that will do a data erase on the >library, cache and disk. The physical backend tapes would need to be certified >destroyed. Iron Mountain can do that for you. >Just my 2 cents >Doug > >. > >On Sep 13, 2018, at 17:32, Mike Schwab wrote: > >Once all the tapes are deleted by writing to all 50K, you just have to >write as many volumes as needed to fill VTS. The large the dataset, >the fewer the volumes. >On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 2:52 PM George Rodriguez ><016eebd7289b-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: >> >> That's a big order. There are 50,000 virtual tapes defined in the system... >> WOW! >> >> *George Rodriguez* >> >> *Specialist II - IT Security* >> *PX - 47652* >> *(561) 357-7652 (office)* >> *(954) 415-7586 (mobile)* >> *School District of Palm Beach County* >> *3348 Forest Hill Blvd.* >> *Room B-332* >> *West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869* >> *Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District* >> >> >>> On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 2:29 PM Mike Schwab wrote: >>> >>> Overwrite each tape with a one track dataset of low values. >>> Then overwrite tapes with a very large dataset of low values until VTS is >>> full. >>> Repeat one track / large datasets with high values and b'01010101'. >>> >>> Repeat the 3 cycles until desired number of overwrites are accomplished. >>> >>> On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 10:16 AM George Rodriguez >>> <016eebd7289b-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: The School District of Palm Beach County is finally shutting down the IBM z10 and all its components. I was wondering if any member the listserve can help me with "wiping out" out VTL. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks! *George Rodriguez* *Specialist II - IT Security* *PX - 47652* *(561) 357-7652 (office)* *(954) 415-7586 (mobile)* *School District of Palm Beach County* *3348 Forest Hill Blvd.* *Room B-332* *West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869* *Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District* -- *Disclaimer: *Under Florida law, e-mail addresses are public records. If you do not want your e-mail address released in response to a public records request, do not send electronic mail to this entity. Instead, contact this office by phone or in writing. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA >>> Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? >>> >>> -- >>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >>> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >>> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *Disclaimer: *Under Florida law, e-mail addresses are public records. >> If you do not want your e-mail address released in response to a public >> records request, do not send electronic mail to this entity. Instead, >> contact this office by phone or in writing. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > >-- >Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA >Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? >
Re: Yet Another Mainframe z10 Bites the Dust!
Maybe I missed a post but, what ‘VTL’ are you running? IBM has a feature code that a CE can order that will do a data erase on the library, cache and disk. The physical backend tapes would need to be certified destroyed. Iron Mountain can do that for you. Just my 2 cents Doug . On Sep 13, 2018, at 17:32, Mike Schwab wrote: Once all the tapes are deleted by writing to all 50K, you just have to write as many volumes as needed to fill VTS. The large the dataset, the fewer the volumes. On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 2:52 PM George Rodriguez <016eebd7289b-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > That's a big order. There are 50,000 virtual tapes defined in the system... > WOW! > > *George Rodriguez* > > *Specialist II - IT Security* > *PX - 47652* > *(561) 357-7652 (office)* > *(954) 415-7586 (mobile)* > *School District of Palm Beach County* > *3348 Forest Hill Blvd.* > *Room B-332* > *West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869* > *Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District* > > >> On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 2:29 PM Mike Schwab wrote: >> >> Overwrite each tape with a one track dataset of low values. >> Then overwrite tapes with a very large dataset of low values until VTS is >> full. >> Repeat one track / large datasets with high values and b'01010101'. >> >> Repeat the 3 cycles until desired number of overwrites are accomplished. >> >> On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 10:16 AM George Rodriguez >> <016eebd7289b-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: >>> >>> The School District of Palm Beach County is finally shutting down the IBM >>> z10 and all its components. >>> >>> I was wondering if any member the listserve can help me with "wiping out" >>> out VTL. Any help will be greatly appreciated. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> *George Rodriguez* >>> >>> *Specialist II - IT Security* >>> *PX - 47652* >>> *(561) 357-7652 (office)* >>> *(954) 415-7586 (mobile)* >>> *School District of Palm Beach County* >>> *3348 Forest Hill Blvd.* >>> *Room B-332* >>> *West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869* >>> *Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District* >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *Disclaimer: *Under Florida law, e-mail addresses are public records. >>> If you do not want your e-mail address released in response to a public >>> records request, do not send electronic mail to this entity. Instead, >>> contact this office by phone or in writing. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >>> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> >> >> >> -- >> Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA >> Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? >> >> -- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> > > -- > > > > > > > *Disclaimer: *Under Florida law, e-mail addresses are public records. > If you do not want your e-mail address released in response to a public > records request, do not send electronic mail to this entity. Instead, > contact this office by phone or in writing. > > > > > > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Yet Another Mainframe z10 Bites the Dust!
Once all the tapes are deleted by writing to all 50K, you just have to write as many volumes as needed to fill VTS. The large the dataset, the fewer the volumes. On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 2:52 PM George Rodriguez <016eebd7289b-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > That's a big order. There are 50,000 virtual tapes defined in the system... > WOW! > > *George Rodriguez* > > *Specialist II - IT Security* > *PX - 47652* > *(561) 357-7652 (office)* > *(954) 415-7586 (mobile)* > *School District of Palm Beach County* > *3348 Forest Hill Blvd.* > *Room B-332* > *West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869* > *Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District* > > > On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 2:29 PM Mike Schwab wrote: > > > Overwrite each tape with a one track dataset of low values. > > Then overwrite tapes with a very large dataset of low values until VTS is > > full. > > Repeat one track / large datasets with high values and b'01010101'. > > > > Repeat the 3 cycles until desired number of overwrites are accomplished. > > > > On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 10:16 AM George Rodriguez > > <016eebd7289b-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > > > > The School District of Palm Beach County is finally shutting down the IBM > > > z10 and all its components. > > > > > > I was wondering if any member the listserve can help me with "wiping out" > > > out VTL. Any help will be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > *George Rodriguez* > > > > > > *Specialist II - IT Security* > > > *PX - 47652* > > > *(561) 357-7652 (office)* > > > *(954) 415-7586 (mobile)* > > > *School District of Palm Beach County* > > > *3348 Forest Hill Blvd.* > > > *Room B-332* > > > *West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869* > > > *Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District* > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Disclaimer: *Under Florida law, e-mail addresses are public records. > > > If you do not want your e-mail address released in response to a public > > > records request, do not send electronic mail to this entity. Instead, > > > contact this office by phone or in writing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > > > > -- > > Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA > > Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > > > > > > > *Disclaimer: *Under Florida law, e-mail addresses are public records. > If you do not want your e-mail address released in response to a public > records request, do not send electronic mail to this entity. Instead, > contact this office by phone or in writing. > > > > > > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Yet Another Mainframe z10 Bites the Dust!
We had 30K free of 500K tapes. 288TB. On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 2:52 PM George Rodriguez <016eebd7289b-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > That's a big order. There are 50,000 virtual tapes defined in the system... > WOW! > > *George Rodriguez* > > *Specialist II - IT Security* > *PX - 47652* > *(561) 357-7652 (office)* > *(954) 415-7586 (mobile)* > *School District of Palm Beach County* > *3348 Forest Hill Blvd.* > *Room B-332* > *West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869* > *Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District* > > > On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 2:29 PM Mike Schwab wrote: > > > Overwrite each tape with a one track dataset of low values. > > Then overwrite tapes with a very large dataset of low values until VTS is > > full. > > Repeat one track / large datasets with high values and b'01010101'. > > > > Repeat the 3 cycles until desired number of overwrites are accomplished. > > > > On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 10:16 AM George Rodriguez > > <016eebd7289b-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > > > > The School District of Palm Beach County is finally shutting down the IBM > > > z10 and all its components. > > > > > > I was wondering if any member the listserve can help me with "wiping out" > > > out VTL. Any help will be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > *George Rodriguez* > > > > > > *Specialist II - IT Security* > > > *PX - 47652* > > > *(561) 357-7652 (office)* > > > *(954) 415-7586 (mobile)* > > > *School District of Palm Beach County* > > > *3348 Forest Hill Blvd.* > > > *Room B-332* > > > *West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869* > > > *Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District* > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Disclaimer: *Under Florida law, e-mail addresses are public records. > > > If you do not want your e-mail address released in response to a public > > > records request, do not send electronic mail to this entity. Instead, > > > contact this office by phone or in writing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > > > > -- > > Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA > > Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > > > > > > > *Disclaimer: *Under Florida law, e-mail addresses are public records. > If you do not want your e-mail address released in response to a public > records request, do not send electronic mail to this entity. Instead, > contact this office by phone or in writing. > > > > > > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Yet Another Mainframe z10 Bites the Dust!
Not sure if this is an option for you but if the VTL encrypted the data on disk, securely wiping the encryption keys would render all data wiped. Andrew Arentsen From: "John McKown" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 09/13/2018 03:11 PM Subject:[EXTERNAL] Re: Yet Another Mainframe z10 Bites the Dust! Sent by:"IBM Mainframe Discussion List" On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 2:52 PM George Rodriguez < 016eebd7289b-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > That's a big order. There are 50,000 virtual tapes defined in the system... > WOW! > Depending on the connection technology of the disks, you might be able to remove them from the VTL, connect them to a PC, then use some sort of "disk wipe" utility on the PC to overwrite the data on the disks. For example, if the disks are SATA, you could put them on a PC running Linux and simpy do the command: "dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/sd?" where "sd?" is the Linux address of the attached disk. This would overwrite the entire disk with random bits. If you are really paranoid: for i in 1 2 3; do dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/sd?;done To do the overwrite 3 times. If the attachment is SCSI, there are SCSI HBAs for PC. Example: https://smile.amazon.com/Dell-Non-RAID-Serial-Attached-External/dp/B0153IR6QY/ . That is a example, not a recommendation. Also, if SAS, https://smile.amazon.com/SAS9211-8I-8PORT-Int-Sata-Pcie/dp/B002RL8I7M/ But erasing the entire drive is likely to make it unusable in the VTL. Have you asked the vendor if the software driving the VTL has a mass erase function? I know that the old IBM Shark had that. > > *George Rodriguez* > > *Specialist II - IT Security* > *PX - 47652* > *(561) 357-7652 (office)* > *(954) 415-7586 (mobile)* > *School District of Palm Beach County* > *3348 Forest Hill Blvd.* > *Room B-332* > *West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869* > *Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District* > > > On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 2:29 PM Mike Schwab > wrote: > > > Overwrite each tape with a one track dataset of low values. > > Then overwrite tapes with a very large dataset of low values until VTS is > > full. > > Repeat one track / large datasets with high values and b'01010101'. > > > > Repeat the 3 cycles until desired number of overwrites are accomplished. > > > > On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 10:16 AM George Rodriguez > > <016eebd7289b-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > > > > The School District of Palm Beach County is finally shutting down the > IBM > > > z10 and all its components. > > > > > > I was wondering if any member the listserve can help me with "wiping > out" > > > out VTL. Any help will be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > *George Rodriguez* > > > > > > *Specialist II - IT Security* > > > *PX - 47652* > > > *(561) 357-7652 (office)* > > > *(954) 415-7586 (mobile)* > > > *School District of Palm Beach County* > > > *3348 Forest Hill Blvd.* > > > *Room B-332* > > > *West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869* > > > *Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District* > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Disclaimer: *Under Florida law, e-mail addresses are public records. > > > If you do not want your e-mail address released in response to a public > > > records request, do not send electronic mail to this entity. Instead, > > > contact this office by phone or in writing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > > > > -- > > Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA > > Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > > > > > > > *Disclaimer: *Under Florida law, e-mail addresses are public records. > If you do not want your e-mail address released in response to a public > records request, do not send electronic mail to this entity. Instead, > contact this office by phone or in writing. > > > > > > > > >
Re: Yet Another Mainframe z10 Bites the Dust!
On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 2:52 PM George Rodriguez < 016eebd7289b-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > That's a big order. There are 50,000 virtual tapes defined in the system... > WOW! > Depending on the connection technology of the disks, you might be able to remove them from the VTL, connect them to a PC, then use some sort of "disk wipe" utility on the PC to overwrite the data on the disks. For example, if the disks are SATA, you could put them on a PC running Linux and simpy do the command: "dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/sd?" where "sd?" is the Linux address of the attached disk. This would overwrite the entire disk with random bits. If you are really paranoid: for i in 1 2 3; do dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/sd?;done To do the overwrite 3 times. If the attachment is SCSI, there are SCSI HBAs for PC. Example: https://smile.amazon.com/Dell-Non-RAID-Serial-Attached-External/dp/B0153IR6QY/ . That is a example, not a recommendation. Also, if SAS, https://smile.amazon.com/SAS9211-8I-8PORT-Int-Sata-Pcie/dp/B002RL8I7M/ But erasing the entire drive is likely to make it unusable in the VTL. Have you asked the vendor if the software driving the VTL has a mass erase function? I know that the old IBM Shark had that. > > *George Rodriguez* > > *Specialist II - IT Security* > *PX - 47652* > *(561) 357-7652 (office)* > *(954) 415-7586 (mobile)* > *School District of Palm Beach County* > *3348 Forest Hill Blvd.* > *Room B-332* > *West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869* > *Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District* > > > On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 2:29 PM Mike Schwab > wrote: > > > Overwrite each tape with a one track dataset of low values. > > Then overwrite tapes with a very large dataset of low values until VTS is > > full. > > Repeat one track / large datasets with high values and b'01010101'. > > > > Repeat the 3 cycles until desired number of overwrites are accomplished. > > > > On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 10:16 AM George Rodriguez > > <016eebd7289b-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > > > > The School District of Palm Beach County is finally shutting down the > IBM > > > z10 and all its components. > > > > > > I was wondering if any member the listserve can help me with "wiping > out" > > > out VTL. Any help will be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > *George Rodriguez* > > > > > > *Specialist II - IT Security* > > > *PX - 47652* > > > *(561) 357-7652 (office)* > > > *(954) 415-7586 (mobile)* > > > *School District of Palm Beach County* > > > *3348 Forest Hill Blvd.* > > > *Room B-332* > > > *West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869* > > > *Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District* > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Disclaimer: *Under Florida law, e-mail addresses are public records. > > > If you do not want your e-mail address released in response to a public > > > records request, do not send electronic mail to this entity. Instead, > > > contact this office by phone or in writing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > > > > -- > > Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA > > Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > > > > > > > *Disclaimer: *Under Florida law, e-mail addresses are public records. > If you do not want your e-mail address released in response to a public > records request, do not send electronic mail to this entity. Instead, > contact this office by phone or in writing. > > > > > > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- People who frustrate us will be around for as long as we need them. Maranatha! <>< John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Yet Another Mainframe z10 Bites the Dust!
That's a big order. There are 50,000 virtual tapes defined in the system... WOW! *George Rodriguez* *Specialist II - IT Security* *PX - 47652* *(561) 357-7652 (office)* *(954) 415-7586 (mobile)* *School District of Palm Beach County* *3348 Forest Hill Blvd.* *Room B-332* *West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869* *Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District* On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 2:29 PM Mike Schwab wrote: > Overwrite each tape with a one track dataset of low values. > Then overwrite tapes with a very large dataset of low values until VTS is > full. > Repeat one track / large datasets with high values and b'01010101'. > > Repeat the 3 cycles until desired number of overwrites are accomplished. > > On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 10:16 AM George Rodriguez > <016eebd7289b-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > > The School District of Palm Beach County is finally shutting down the IBM > > z10 and all its components. > > > > I was wondering if any member the listserve can help me with "wiping out" > > out VTL. Any help will be greatly appreciated. > > > > Thanks! > > > > *George Rodriguez* > > > > *Specialist II - IT Security* > > *PX - 47652* > > *(561) 357-7652 (office)* > > *(954) 415-7586 (mobile)* > > *School District of Palm Beach County* > > *3348 Forest Hill Blvd.* > > *Room B-332* > > *West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869* > > *Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District* > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Disclaimer: *Under Florida law, e-mail addresses are public records. > > If you do not want your e-mail address released in response to a public > > records request, do not send electronic mail to this entity. Instead, > > contact this office by phone or in writing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA > Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- *Disclaimer: *Under Florida law, e-mail addresses are public records. If you do not want your e-mail address released in response to a public records request, do not send electronic mail to this entity. Instead, contact this office by phone or in writing. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Yet Another Mainframe z10 Bites the Dust!
Overwrite each tape with a one track dataset of low values. Then overwrite tapes with a very large dataset of low values until VTS is full. Repeat one track / large datasets with high values and b'01010101'. Repeat the 3 cycles until desired number of overwrites are accomplished. On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 10:16 AM George Rodriguez <016eebd7289b-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > The School District of Palm Beach County is finally shutting down the IBM > z10 and all its components. > > I was wondering if any member the listserve can help me with "wiping out" > out VTL. Any help will be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks! > > *George Rodriguez* > > *Specialist II - IT Security* > *PX - 47652* > *(561) 357-7652 (office)* > *(954) 415-7586 (mobile)* > *School District of Palm Beach County* > *3348 Forest Hill Blvd.* > *Room B-332* > *West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869* > *Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District* > > -- > > > > > > > *Disclaimer: *Under Florida law, e-mail addresses are public records. > If you do not want your e-mail address released in response to a public > records request, do not send electronic mail to this entity. Instead, > contact this office by phone or in writing. > > > > > > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Yet Another Mainframe z10 Bites the Dust!
There's a whole lot of datasets to go through to do the ERASE function. Since the hardware maintenance was contracted out to SMS, yes I've asked the question and they just notified me that they pushed the question up to there support team. Physical destruction was an option we considered, but the equipment might be sold. I'm not sure about that statement, but it's what I've heard abound the water cool! lol :-) Thanks everyone for the help! *George Rodriguez* *Specialist II - IT Security* *PX - 47652* *(561) 357-7652 (office)* *(954) 415-7586 (mobile)* *School District of Palm Beach County* *3348 Forest Hill Blvd.* *Room B-332* *West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869* *Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District* On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 11:52 AM Pew, Curtis G wrote: > On Sep 13, 2018, at 10:16 AM, George Rodriguez < > 016eebd7289b-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > > I was wondering if any member the listserve can help me with "wiping out" > > out VTL. Any help will be greatly appreciated. > > > > Physical destruction of the media always works. > > > -- > Pew, Curtis G > curtis@austin.utexas.edu > ITS Systems/Core/Administrative Services > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- *Disclaimer: *Under Florida law, e-mail addresses are public records. If you do not want your e-mail address released in response to a public records request, do not send electronic mail to this entity. Instead, contact this office by phone or in writing. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Yet Another Mainframe z10 Bites the Dust!
On Sep 13, 2018, at 10:16 AM, George Rodriguez <016eebd7289b-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > I was wondering if any member the listserve can help me with "wiping out" > out VTL. Any help will be greatly appreciated. > Physical destruction of the media always works. -- Pew, Curtis G curtis@austin.utexas.edu ITS Systems/Core/Administrative Services -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Yet Another Mainframe z10 Bites the Dust!
On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 11:16:03 -0400, George Rodriguez wrote: >The School District of Palm Beach County is finally shutting down the IBM >z10 and all its components. I'm sorry to hear that. >I was wondering if any member the listserve can help me with "wiping out" >out VTL. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Have you asked your VTL vendor? -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Yet Another Mainframe z10 Bites the Dust!
Not sure if turning on ERASE on SCRATCH in RACF - and then deleting the datasets would work? Just a thought? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of George Rodriguez Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 11:16 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Yet Another Mainframe z10 Bites the Dust! The School District of Palm Beach County is finally shutting down the IBM z10 and all its components. I was wondering if any member the listserve can help me with "wiping out" out VTL. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks! *George Rodriguez* *Specialist II - IT Security* *PX - 47652* *(561) 357-7652 (office)* *(954) 415-7586 (mobile)* *School District of Palm Beach County* *3348 Forest Hill Blvd.* *Room B-332* *West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869* *Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District* -- *Disclaimer: *Under Florida law, e-mail addresses are public records. If you do not want your e-mail address released in response to a public records request, do not send electronic mail to this entity. Instead, contact this office by phone or in writing. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN This email transmission and any accompanying attachments may contain CSX privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the intended addressee. Any dissemination, distribution, copying or action taken in reliance on the contents of this email by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please immediately delete it and notify sender at the above CSX email address. Sender and CSX accept no liability for any damage caused directly or indirectly by receipt of this email. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Yet Another Mainframe z10 Bites the Dust!
The School District of Palm Beach County is finally shutting down the IBM z10 and all its components. I was wondering if any member the listserve can help me with "wiping out" out VTL. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks! *George Rodriguez* *Specialist II - IT Security* *PX - 47652* *(561) 357-7652 (office)* *(954) 415-7586 (mobile)* *School District of Palm Beach County* *3348 Forest Hill Blvd.* *Room B-332* *West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869* *Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District* -- *Disclaimer: *Under Florida law, e-mail addresses are public records. If you do not want your e-mail address released in response to a public records request, do not send electronic mail to this entity. Instead, contact this office by phone or in writing. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
