Re: Proceeding CDs

2006-10-06 Thread David W. Hankins
On Fri, Oct 06, 2006 at 10:56:51PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>   Remove that, and the question might be asked? "What do we get for
>   our money?"  more often.

Are you suggesting that proceeding CD's are actually a valid answer
to this question, or that people should merely be convinced to ask
this question less frequently by any means available other than
actually providing answers?

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Re: Proceeding CDs

2006-10-06 Thread bmanning
On Tue, Oct 03, 2006 at 06:35:15PM -0400, IETF Administrative Director wrote:
> The IAOC is preparing the 2007 budget and would like feedback on whether
> or not to continue producing the IETF meeting CDs of the Proceedings.
> 
> It has been suggested as a way of employing limited Secretariat labor
> more productively that the IAOC discontinue production of the Proceedings
> on CDs and, instead, make the files available collectively on the web site
> for each meeting in a zip file for downloading.  
> 
> Is there strong rationale for maintaining production of the CDs?
> 
> Ray Pelletier
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 i've been told that it is often useful to have a token of 
the money that was spent. and for some, the hardcopy proceedings
filled the bill nicely.  The CD, while not quite the same impact
for mgmt, does provide a tangible token of participation.
Remove that, and the question might be asked? "What do we get for
our money?"  more often.

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Re: Proceeding CDs

2006-10-06 Thread Joe Abley


On 6-Oct-2006, at 14:26, Gray, Eric wrote:


It makes sense now, but will it make sense in 10 years?


If there is concern about a permanent archive, then surely this is  
entirely orthogonal to the question of whether to burn things to  
scratch-prone, flimsy plastic discs.


To give information a good shot at being available for a long time,  
make sure it's widely distributed. If there was a straightforward way  
for entities such as universities, libraries, and dedicated archival  
and data indexing companies, ISPs and interested individuals to  
mirror the proceedings in an automated and robust fashion, I'm sure  
it would happen on a grand scale.


This kind of distribution, coupled with document formats which are as  
open and plain as possible (ASCII!), seems like the best way to  
ensure that the material is preserved on as many different types of  
media and filesystem as possible.



Joe


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RE: [Nea] WG Review: Network Endpoint Assessment (nea)

2006-10-06 Thread Narayanan, Vidya
Hi Susan,
Please see inline.  

> -Original Message-
> From: Susan Thomson (sethomso) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 12:22 PM
> To: Narayanan, Vidya
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; iesg@ietf.org; ietf@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: [Nea] WG Review: Network Endpoint Assessment (nea) 
> 
> Hi Vidya
> 
> Thanks for your comments.
> 
> Inline ...
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Narayanan, Vidya [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 12:48 PM
> > To: iesg@ietf.org
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: [Nea] WG Review: Network Endpoint Assessment (nea)
> > 
> > 
> > All,
> > Comments on the charter inline below.  
> > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: IESG Secretary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 7:30 AM
> > > To: ietf-announce@ietf.org
> > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: [Nea] WG Review: Network Endpoint Assessment (nea)
> > > 
> > > A new IETF working group has been proposed in the Security Area.  
> > > The IESG has not made any determination as yet. The 
> following draft 
> > > charter was submitted, and is provided for informational purposes 
> > > only.
> > > Please send your comments to the IESG mailing list
> > > (iesg@ietf.org) by October 9.
> > > 
> > > +++
> > > 
> > > Network Endpoint Assessment (nea)
> > > ==
> > > 
> > > Current Status: Proposed Working Group
> > > 
> > > Chair(s): 
> > > TBD
> > > 
> > > Security Area Director(s):
> > > Russ Housley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sam Hartman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > 
> > > Security Area Advisor:
> > > Russ Housley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > 
> > > Mailing List: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > 
> > > Description of Working Group:
> > > 
> > > Network Endpoint Assessment (NEA) architectures have been 
> > > implemented in the industry to assess the "posture" of endpoint 
> > > devices for the purposes of monitoring compliance to an 
> > > organization's posture policy and optionally restricting access 
> > > until the endpoint has been updated to satisfy the posture 
> > > requirements. An endpoint that does not comply with 
> posture policy 
> > > may be vulnerable to a number of known threats that may 
> exist on the 
> > > network. The intent of NEA is to facilitate corrective actions to 
> > > address these known vulnerabilities before a host is exposed to 
> > > potential attack.
> > 
> > 
> > Is it fair to then say that NEA is attempting to protect 
> the endhost 
> > and not necessarily the network?
> 
> Yes, this is the focus. 
> 
> > That is not immediately clear in the
> > charter. Obviously, the network must deal with all kinds of 
> known and 
> > unknown threats and a process like NEA is inadequate to 
> protect it at 
> > any acceptable level. That is why we employ a number of other 
> > mechanisms like firewalls, access control, packet filters, IDS/IPS, 
> > etc. in any combination to appropriately protect the networks.
> > 
> > So, stating that NEA is not attempting to protect the 
> network at large 
> > would bring a lot of clarity to the charter.
> > 
> 
> Since we have been around the block  a few times on this 
> section, could you suggest precise text that you would like 
> to see to make this clearer?  
> 

How about adding this text - "It should be noted that the networks at
large are exposed to attacks from lying endpoints and external entities
attaching to the networks as well as any problems arising from unknown
vulnerabilities on NEA compliant endpoints. Hence, NEA must not be
considered a protection mechanism for networks. Further, mechanisms
needed to protect the network from all kinds of vulnerabilities are
expected to be a superset of any protection that may be achieved by
employing NEA"? 


> > 
> > > Two deployment scenarios will be supported: advisory mode and 
> > > mandatory mode.
> > > In advisory mode, an endpoint may be advised of the result of 
> > > posture assessment and any recommended remediation 
> actions, but is 
> > > provided normal network access regardless of the result. In 
> > > mandatory mode, a non-compliant endpoint is given 
> restricted access 
> > > to the network sufficient for remediation purposes and 
> any essential 
> > > services or denied access completely.
> > > 
> > 
> > It is unclear how the advisory vs mandatory model relates 
> to the NEA 
> > procedures itself. NEA is attempting to provide a vehicle 
> to perform 
> > some compliance tests on acceptable "postures". What the network 
> > decides to do with that information seems entirely dependent on the 
> > policy of the network and the extent of non-compliance, 
> etc. What does 
> > it mean to say that NEA *allows* an advisory and/or a 
> mandatory model?
> > 
> > 
> Yes, it is a matter of policy. We have had other input as 
> well that indicates this text is causing confusion.  We added 
> this text in consultation with our AD to re-inforce the 
> notion that NEA did not necessarily i

Re: Proceeding CDs

2006-10-06 Thread Ted Faber
On Fri, Oct 06, 2006 at 02:26:23PM -0400, Gray, Eric wrote:
> It makes sense now, but will it make sense in 10 years?
> 
> With today's DVD technology, is it completely unlikely 
> that ISO CD formats may not be supported by then?  Is it
> not possible that CDs will go the way of 8-track tapes,
> beta-max, and 3.25 " floppy and 100 Mega-byte Zip drives?

I didn't understand the suggestion to be "produce *only* an ISO image."

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RE: Proceeding CDs

2006-10-06 Thread John C Klensin


--On Friday, 06 October, 2006 14:26 -0400 "Gray, Eric"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It makes sense now, but will it make sense in 10 years?
> 
> With today's DVD technology, is it completely unlikely 
> that ISO CD formats may not be supported by then?  Is it
> not possible that CDs will go the way of 8-track tapes,
> beta-max, and 3.25 " floppy and 100 Mega-byte Zip drives?
> 
> I can store more data on a memory stick than I can on a 
> CD.  In 10 years, I expect I'll be able to store as much
> as 20 times the data of a CD on a stick - and I don't 
> think the stick uses the ISO format.
> 
> It would be a shame to have to support an "ISO format
> converter" in 10 years so that people could access the
> older IETF documents and proceedings...

Eric,

I made a suggestion similar to Andy's and Mike's in a offlist
note to Ray.  I also suggested doing it as well as the ZIP file,
not instead of it -- the marginal costs in terms of storage or
production would not be large and it seems to me that they meet
the needs of different audiences.  Ultimately, an ISO CD image
is good for only one thing, which is producing CDs, and a
compact format where individual files are more accessible is
clearly a good idea.  To my knowledge, no one has suggested
discontinuing the current online HTML accessibility either.

Beyond that, while I understand the concerns you list, one could
make the same observations about HTML (and make the same "size
of installed base" argument for CDs that most of us would make
about HTML).One needs to be conservative, but not to get
ridiculous.  Remember that there was no particular reason to
assume that zip-format files would last when they were first
introduced, or that the format would survive its author (several
other archive formats of the time basically didn't).

Speaking as someone who can still read and write 9-track tapes
(but not 8 track), 100 Mb ZIP disks, and 3 1/2 (and 5 1/4) inch
diskettes. :-) ...

john




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RE: Proceeding CDs

2006-10-06 Thread Michael C. StJohns
New production of CDs for music will probably end in 10 or so years, 
but not much earlier - I don't know that the discussion to end them 
is even taking place yet - you have to have a replacement technology 
well penetrated in the market before you stop the old stuff.


But the successor to CDs (DVD, HD-DVD) drives will still be able to 
read CDs.  And an ISO is just a set of bits - I don't expect the 
drivers that allow us to read such a set of bits to go away 
soon.  Given the choice between ZIP and ISO, I'd choose iso because I 
can either burn it or mount it. As for the memory stick, its just a 
storage device, not a storage format.  Its oranges to the apples 
discussion of zip vs ISO vs PDF vs etc...



At 02:26 PM 10/6/2006, Gray, Eric wrote:

It makes sense now, but will it make sense in 10 years?

With today's DVD technology, is it completely unlikely
that ISO CD formats may not be supported by then?  Is it
not possible that CDs will go the way of 8-track tapes,
beta-max, and 3.25 " floppy and 100 Mega-byte Zip drives?

I can store more data on a memory stick than I can on a
CD.  In 10 years, I expect I'll be able to store as much
as 20 times the data of a CD on a stick - and I don't
think the stick uses the ISO format.

It would be a shame to have to support an "ISO format
converter" in 10 years so that people could access the
older IETF documents and proceedings...

--
Eric

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--> From: Michael C. StJohns [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
--> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 2:14 PM
--> To: Andy Bierman; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--> Cc: ietf@ietf.org
--> Subject: Re: Proceeding CDs
-->
--> At 01:57 PM 10/6/2006, Andy Bierman wrote:
--> >If I really wanted to have a CD of the proceedings,
--> >then I would want to retrieve a .iso file from the archive.
-->
--> Actually, I *like* this option a lot.
-->
--> I don't see any reason to continue to produce the CDs, but
--> I do see a
--> need for a permanent archival form and having an ISO I
--> could download
--> and burn (or mount for that matter) makes a lot of sense.
-->
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RE: Proceeding CDs

2006-10-06 Thread Gray, Eric
It makes sense now, but will it make sense in 10 years?

With today's DVD technology, is it completely unlikely 
that ISO CD formats may not be supported by then?  Is it
not possible that CDs will go the way of 8-track tapes,
beta-max, and 3.25 " floppy and 100 Mega-byte Zip drives?

I can store more data on a memory stick than I can on a 
CD.  In 10 years, I expect I'll be able to store as much
as 20 times the data of a CD on a stick - and I don't 
think the stick uses the ISO format.

It would be a shame to have to support an "ISO format
converter" in 10 years so that people could access the
older IETF documents and proceedings...

--
Eric 

--> -Original Message-
--> From: Michael C. StJohns [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
--> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 2:14 PM
--> To: Andy Bierman; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--> Cc: ietf@ietf.org
--> Subject: Re: Proceeding CDs
--> 
--> At 01:57 PM 10/6/2006, Andy Bierman wrote:
--> >If I really wanted to have a CD of the proceedings,
--> >then I would want to retrieve a .iso file from the archive.
--> 
--> Actually, I *like* this option a lot.
--> 
--> I don't see any reason to continue to produce the CDs, but 
--> I do see a 
--> need for a permanent archival form and having an ISO I 
--> could download 
--> and burn (or mount for that matter) makes a lot of sense.
--> 
--> Mike
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Re: Proceeding CDs

2006-10-06 Thread Michael C. StJohns

At 01:57 PM 10/6/2006, Andy Bierman wrote:

If I really wanted to have a CD of the proceedings,
then I would want to retrieve a .iso file from the archive.


Actually, I *like* this option a lot.

I don't see any reason to continue to produce the CDs, but I do see a 
need for a permanent archival form and having an ISO I could download 
and burn (or mount for that matter) makes a lot of sense.


Mike


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Re: Proceeding CDs

2006-10-06 Thread Andy Bierman

IETF Administrative Director wrote:

The IAOC is preparing the 2007 budget and would like feedback on whether
or not to continue producing the IETF meeting CDs of the Proceedings.

It has been suggested as a way of employing limited Secretariat labor
more productively that the IAOC discontinue production of the Proceedings
on CDs and, instead, make the files available collectively on the web site
for each meeting in a zip file for downloading.  


Is there strong rationale for maintaining production of the CDs?



No.
IMO, free online retrieval of IETF proceedings is sufficient.
Spend the time and money on something more important.

My 2 cents on data format:

If I really wanted to have a CD of the proceedings,
then I would want to retrieve a .iso file from the archive.

(Moving from the Print Era to the Electronic Age is hard...
I just recycled my collection of paper IETF proceedings a year ago.
I bet some of you still have every one!)



Ray Pelletier
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Re: Proceeding CDs

2006-10-06 Thread Marshall Eubanks

Does anyone know of
any libraries that attempt to acquire / archive a complete set of  
IETF proceedings ?


They might not read this list and should be contacted directly in my  
opinion.


Regards
Marshall

On Oct 6, 2006, at 1:01 PM, shogunx wrote:


On Tue, 3 Oct 2006, IETF Administrative Director wrote:

The IAOC is preparing the 2007 budget and would like feedback on  
whether

or not to continue producing the IETF meeting CDs of the Proceedings.

It has been suggested as a way of employing limited Secretariat labor
more productively that the IAOC discontinue production of the  
Proceedings
on CDs and, instead, make the files available collectively on the  
web site

for each meeting in a zip file for downloading.


If you do so, make sure there is at least a tar.gz also.



Is there strong rationale for maintaining production of the CDs?

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Re: Proceeding CDs

2006-10-06 Thread shogunx
On Tue, 3 Oct 2006, IETF Administrative Director wrote:

> The IAOC is preparing the 2007 budget and would like feedback on whether
> or not to continue producing the IETF meeting CDs of the Proceedings.
>
> It has been suggested as a way of employing limited Secretariat labor
> more productively that the IAOC discontinue production of the Proceedings
> on CDs and, instead, make the files available collectively on the web site
> for each meeting in a zip file for downloading.

If you do so, make sure there is at least a tar.gz also.

>
> Is there strong rationale for maintaining production of the CDs?
>
> Ray Pelletier
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Re: Proceeding CDs

2006-10-06 Thread Frank Ellermann
IETF Administrative Director wrote:
 
> Is there strong rationale for maintaining production of the CDs?

No opinion - but on a related issue:  Some slide shows are very
interesting, and the HTML output of Powerpoint is *_MUCH_* better
than huge PDFs.

Frank



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Re: As Promised, an attempt at 2026bis

2006-10-06 Thread Douglas Otis


On Oct 3, 2006, at 4:00 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:

Brian Carpenter has written draft-carpenter-rfc2026- 
critique-02.txt which does exactly that, and he has repeatedly  
solicited comments on it.  If you think that it would be helpful  
to have it published as an informational RFC before undertaking to  
make normative changes to our standards procedures, please say so.


Thanks for the plug, Mike :-)

Quite seriously - am I to conclude from the absence of comments on  
that draft that everyone agrees that it correctly describes current  
practice? If so, I'll look for an AD to sponsor it.


Please do.

-Doug

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Proceeding CDs

2006-10-06 Thread IETF Administrative Director
The IAOC is preparing the 2007 budget and would like feedback on whether
or not to continue producing the IETF meeting CDs of the Proceedings.

It has been suggested as a way of employing limited Secretariat labor
more productively that the IAOC discontinue production of the Proceedings
on CDs and, instead, make the files available collectively on the web site
for each meeting in a zip file for downloading.  

Is there strong rationale for maintaining production of the CDs?

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IETF 68 & 69 Locations (lst)

2006-10-06 Thread IETF Administrative Director
I am pleased to announce the hotel meeting sites for IETF 68 in Prague and
IETF 69 in Chicago, as well as a major contract with an international
hotel chain.

IETF 68 is being held 18 - 23 March 2007 at the Hilton Prague.  This is a
"one roof" venue, that is, the meeting is at the hotel with a room block
of 500 rooms. 

IETF 69 is being held at the Palmer House Hilton in Chicago from July 22
- 27. This is also a "one roof" meeting with ample meeting space and a
room block of 1000 rooms.

More information and links for reservation purposes can be located at:
http://www3.ietf.org/meetings/meetings.html

The foregoing probably tipped you off that the contract is between the
Hilton Hotels Corporation and the Internet Society, on behalf of the IETF.


This 5 year, multi-event contract provides many benefits to the IETF
including favorable guest rates for the market, complimentary Internet,
reduced event costs, reduced contracting risk, expedited contracting and
more.  

Moreover, the contract does not prevent the IETF from booking meetings
with other hotel chains.

I want to thank the NeuStar Secretariat team for their initiative in
pursuing this agreement, as well as their skill in negotiating it.  It is
a first of its kind with the Hilton chain worldwide, and represents a
giant step forward in the IETF's commitment to planning meetings 18 to 24
months in advance and undertaking measures that will reduce costs, while
providing additional value for the meetings and the participants.

As a result of this contract we are already considering venues in 2008
and beyond; and I expect we will be executing contracts for them very
quickly over the next six months.  

If your company has ever considered being a Host and has a particular
location in mind, now is the time to contact us.   The meeting calendar
through 2010 with provisional regional locations can be found here: 
http://www3.ietf.org/meetings/0mtg-sites.txt  

A Host brings a certain gravitational pull to a particular location and
we are interested in working with you to locate an available, qualified
venue and make that happen.  By the way, if you'd like to Host and don't
have a location in mind -- we have some for you and we want to hear from
you too.

My thanks also to the Internet Society, our organizational home.  We
can't do this without their assistance and support - thanks.

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2006-10-06 Thread upendra bhanja
please unsubscribe me from this forumJORDI PALET MARTINEZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Very nice job. Congratulations !I hope soon we can have in our roadmap a venue in Latin America also. May bein a couple of years we can then have one in Africa too :-)Regards,Jordi> De: IETF Administrative Director <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Responder a: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Fecha: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 18:02:41 -0400> Para: IETF Announcement list > Asunto: IETF 68 & 69 Locations (a)> > I am pleased to announce the hotel meeting sites for IETF 68 in Prague and> IETF 69 in Chicago, as well as a major contract with an international> hotel chain.> > IETF 68 is being held 18 - 23 March 2007 at the Hilton Prague. This
 is a> "one roof" venue, that is, the meeting is at the hotel with a room block> of 500 rooms. > > IETF 69 is being held at the Palmer House Hilton in Chicago from July 22> - 27. This is also a "one roof" meeting with ample meeting space and a> room block of 1000 rooms.> > More information and links for reservation purposes can be located at:> http://www3.ietf.org/meetings/meetings.html> > The foregoing probably tipped you off that the contract is between the> Hilton Hotels Corporation and the Internet Society, on behalf of the IETF.> > > This 5 year, multi-event contract provides many benefits to the IETF> including favorable guest rates for the market, complimentary Internet,> reduced event costs, reduced contracting risk, expedited contracting and> more. > > Moreover, the contract does not prevent the IETF from booking
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Re: IETF 68 & 69 Locations (a)

2006-10-06 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
Very nice job. Congratulations !

I hope soon we can have in our roadmap a venue in Latin America also. May be
in a couple of years we can then have one in Africa too :-)

Regards,
Jordi




> De: IETF Administrative Director <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Responder a: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Fecha: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 18:02:41 -0400
> Para: IETF Announcement list 
> Asunto: IETF 68 & 69 Locations (a)
> 
> I am pleased to announce the hotel meeting sites for IETF 68 in Prague and
> IETF 69 in Chicago, as well as a major contract with an international
> hotel chain.
> 
> IETF 68 is being held 18 - 23 March 2007 at the Hilton Prague.  This is a
> "one roof" venue, that is, the meeting is at the hotel with a room block
> of 500 rooms. 
> 
> IETF 69 is being held at the Palmer House Hilton in Chicago from July 22
> - 27. This is also a "one roof" meeting with ample meeting space and a
> room block of 1000 rooms.
> 
> More information and links for reservation purposes can be located at:
> http://www3.ietf.org/meetings/meetings.html
> 
> The foregoing probably tipped you off that the contract is between the
> Hilton Hotels Corporation and the Internet Society, on behalf of the IETF.
> 
> 
> This 5 year, multi-event contract provides many benefits to the IETF
> including favorable guest rates for the market, complimentary Internet,
> reduced event costs, reduced contracting risk, expedited contracting and
> more.  
> 
> Moreover, the contract does not prevent the IETF from booking meetings
> with other hotel chains.
> 
> I want to thank the NeuStar Secretariat team for their initiative in
> pursuing this agreement, as well as their skill in negotiating it.  It is
> a first of its kind with the Hilton chain worldwide, and represents a
> giant step forward in the IETF's commitment to planning meetings 18 to 24
> months in advance and undertaking measures that will reduce costs, while
> providing additional value for the meetings and the participants.
> 
> As a result of this contract we are already considering venues in 2008
> and beyond; and I expect we will be executing contracts for them very
> quickly over the next six months.
> 
> If your company has ever considered being a Host and has a particular
> location in mind, now is the time to contact us.   The meeting calendar
> through 2010 with provisional regional locations can be found here:
> http://www3.ietf.org/meetings/0mtg-sites.txt
> 
> A Host brings a certain gravitational pull to a particular location and
> we are interested in working with you to locate an available, qualified
> venue and make that happen.  By the way, if you'd like to Host and don't
> have a location in mind -- we have some for you and we want to hear from
> you too.
> 
> My thanks also to the Internet Society, our organizational home.  We
> can't do this without their assistance and support- thanks.
> 
> Ray Pelletier
> IAD
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
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