Re: IAOC: delegating ex-officio responsibility
[as editor:] It seems that the high order bit of this discussion circles around the question on whether it a requirement for the IETF Chair to have a voting position in order to effectively perform oversight. Once we figured out where we want to go with that we can think about delegation by the chair vs appointment by the bodies and the implementation details with respect to the trust. [as olaf:] I agree that the IETF chair needs to have a good oversight about what goes on in the IETF, to a lesser extend it is good that the IAB has that oversight too (specifically with respect to its chartered responsibilities) but I wonder if a voting membership is the appropriate instrument. I believe effective oversight depends on having the appropriate high level information and having the opportunity to timely inject information that is needed to steer an outcome. An alternative method for sharing and injecting is having regular meetings between the I* chairs and the ISOC President/CEO. I believe that such meetings are much more effective for the parties involved than being exposed to all details. This only an illustration of an instrument, there may be other instruments for oversight as well. But I do not think the ex-officio membership is the only method. --Olaf Olaf M. KolkmanNLnet Labs Science Park 140, http://www.nlnetlabs.nl/ 1098 XG Amsterdam smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Alternative To IPv6
and of course you will have a magic transition scenario as well, and all the content providers will adapt within 3 months, without any problems of load balancing what we have today IF NOT, your announcement just will provoque more delay in transition to IPv6, the only viable and urgent solution ahead of us. Regards, Géza On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 10:43 PM, J. C. Jones jaibudu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, Those associated with the IETF and those with interest in computer networking might be interested to know that a new, clean-slate network protocol stack, an alternative to the IPv4 and IPv6, is due out in 2012. This new protocol stack will provide the following features: 1. A generalized solution to *naming*, *numbering*, and *addressing *problems, where domain names and IP addresses have been given a sound, theoretical basis, with particular emphasis on rethinking the nature of domain names with respect to IP addresses. Well-known port numbers would become unnecessary for many applications. 2. A generalized solution to the *mobility *problem, where networks of networks may be mobile, with continuously optimal routing from source to target and ultra-fast handover over multiple wireless technologies existing within the same node that allows PDA's to easily be used as cell phones while making and breaking of Wi-Fi links. 3. A generalized solution to the *multicast *problem, where a PDA might serve as the root of a *1,000,000,000*-node multicast tree, and where an application sourcing the multicast can be written by a programmer in one afternoon whose possesses a near-minimum understanding of computer networking. 4. A generalized solution to the *security *problem, where each feature commonly provided by an underlying security framework [hiding, signing, etc.] might be independently enabled or disabled without affecting the operation of cooperative features. 5. A generalized solution to the *access control* problem, where specifying access control parameters makes sense to technical neophytes, where username/passwords are essentially non-existent, and where it is plainly evident from the model that it is regular and persistent. 6. A gratuitous, parasitic framework that, if it were so chosen, would allow for the *elimination of the majority of email spam* and similar nuisances on the Internet. 7. A strictly* 99.8% portable* reference implementation for most multi-threaded OS's, written in C++. 8. A network application *library *that presents *persistent primitives of computer networking* [C++ classes]. 9. *International support* for almost all of the world's languages, not only for domain names, but for all textual processing under the purview of the protocol stack. Specifically, almost equal weight will be given for non-English languages as for English. 10. A total executable size of l*ess than 1MB* [without a GUI] for a * full-featured* stack destined for small-footprint devices. 11. *Initial compatibility with IPv4* routing, where new, disruptive applications may be created over the new protocol stack without requiring changes to existing IPv4 routing. A full-break from IPv4 would require no human intervention [renumbering] at the point of change-over, and after change-over, said disruptive applications would continue to function, unaware that change-over has occurred. 12. *Simplicity*. The new stack should be understandable in its entirely by a single software engineer after 3 months of study. I will send out notices as the release date in 2012 approaches. Warm Regards, -JC ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Buckets of spam coming through IETF lists
John, If you want to report a SPAM problem with an IETF mailing list, please report it to ietf-act...@ietf.org. It will get prompt response. From the email you forwarded, it looks like a problem with lists hosted at ISI.EDU (that is, not at ietf.org). Bob p.s. Or should I have taken the date you sent this more seriously? On Apr 1, 2011, at 10:28 PM, John R. Levine wrote: Some clever spambot seems to have scraped a bunch of addresses out of the archives and is sending spam with multiple addresses on the From: line through IETF and IRTF mailing lists. Surely I'm not the only one who's seeing it. Given the amount of legitimate mail with multiple From: addresses (none, in practice) a quick shim in front of Mailman should deal with it until someone can go fix the underlying code. Regards, John Levine, jo...@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of The Internet for Dummies, Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 14:47:22 -0700 (PDT) From: g...@isi.edu, j...@isi.edu, cak...@isi.edu, i...@isi.edu, cor...@isi.edu, jean...@isi.edu, galst...@isi.edu, ra...@isi.edu, end2end...@isi.edu, ns-us...@isi.edu, ns-commits-ow...@isi.edu, to...@isi.edu, kyam...@isi.edu, newu...@isi.edu, prob...@isi.edu, c...@isi.edu, management-requ...@isi.edu, han...@isi.edu, rba...@isi.edu To: g...@isi.edu, j...@isi.edu, cak...@isi.edu, i...@isi.edu, cor...@isi.edu, jean...@isi.edu, galst...@isi.edu, ra...@isi.edu, end2end...@isi.edu, ns-us...@isi.edu, ns-commits-ow...@isi.edu, to...@isi.edu, kyam...@isi.edu, newu...@isi.edu, prob...@isi.edu, c...@isi.edu, management-requ...@isi.edu, han...@isi.edu, rba...@isi.edu Subject: [IRSG] An offer you can't refuse ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Alternative To IPv6
' From: Turchanyi Geza turchanyi.g...@gmail.com IF NOT, your announcement just will provoque more delay in transition to IPv6 Well, he did send his email on April 1 :-) the only viable and urgent solution ahead of us. Hey, it was April 2 when you sent this! Noel ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Alternative To IPv6
I will send out notices as the release date in 2012 approaches. That's excellent, please send the notice before the Mayan calendar ends. Tnx. -J ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Alternative To IPv6
Hi, Quite a few people reminded me for the date of your message, which was All Fool Day. Oh yes, I surely forgot to check this! Then I realised one more thing: I surely forgot to translate jaibuduvin! J'ai bu du vin is in French, that I know at least, and translates to I was drinking wine! My serious congratulation to your jokes! Mes felicitacions serieux! Amitié, Géza On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 1:02 AM, Jorge Amodio jmamo...@gmail.com wrote: I will send out notices as the release date in 2012 approaches. That's excellent, please send the notice before the Mayan calendar ends. Tnx. -J ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
