Re: Proposed IETF 95 Date Change
I'd support a date change for IETF 95 but it should be the week of the 14th to take into account Palm Sunday and Good Friday. As to Ramadan, I too would like to understand if there is a need to take this holiday into account, and what would be the practical way to do that?
Re: Proposed IETF 95 Date Change
On 21/07/2012 02:30, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: On Jul 20, 2012, at 6:08 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote: As for the Ramadan issue: we've had IETF meetings during Jewish holidays a few times, and folks dealt with it as best they can. If there are some accommodations that can be made at any IETF meeting for different holidays of major religions, I would bet that IETF Secretariat would be glad to hear them. It comes down to adding them to the clash list... (which is at http://www.ietf.org/meeting/clash-list.html) And we know that if we did that, on top of all the other technical meetings that we have to avoid, the result would be overconstrained and scheduling would become impossible. IMNSHO we need to treat all religious constraints alike, and in practice that means ignoring them. For practical reasons, we can't ignore major holidays - not because some of them are religious, but because they block up hotels and airlines. Finding the least bad solution is always going to be a compromise, and I thank the IAOC for continuing to plan several years ahead. Brian
Re: Proposed IETF 95 Date Change
On Sat, 2012-07-21 at 01:30 +, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: On Jul 20, 2012, at 6:08 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote: As for the Ramadan issue: we've had IETF meetings during Jewish holidays a few times, and folks dealt with it as best they can. If there are some accommodations that can be made at any IETF meeting for different holidays of major religions, I would bet that IETF Secretariat would be glad to hear them. It comes down to adding them to the clash list... Wow, if I'd known that before I'd have added my daughter's birthday (9 Nov) to the list about 25 years ago; maybe I wouldn't have been at IETF meetings for all but two...
Re: Proposed IETF 95 Date Change
As for the Ramadan issue you deserve to deal with surly folk such as i when we have not eaten for twelve hours. randy
Re: Last Call: draft-sparks-genarea-mailarch-05.txt (IETF Email List Archiving, Web-based Browsing and Search Tool Requirements) to Informational RFC
I have read this document, and based on my experience with mailing lists both at the IETF and the W3C, it is adequate. I sincerely hope that support for Archived-At message header fields will be provided, because this can be extremely convenient to quickly reference a message in communication with third parties (starting with the mailing list proper). Regards, Martin. On 2012/07/17 1:30, The IESG wrote: The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider the following document: - 'IETF Email List Archiving, Web-based Browsing and Search Tool Requirements' draft-sparks-genarea-mailarch-05.txt as Informational RFC The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2012-08-13. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to i...@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract The IETF makes heavy use of email lists to conduct its work. Participants frequently need to search and browse the archives of these lists, and have asked for improved search capabilities. The current archive mechanism could also be made more efficient. This memo captures the requirements for improved email list archiving and searching systems. The file can be obtained via http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sparks-genarea-mailarch/ IESG discussion can be tracked via http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sparks-genarea-mailarch/ballot/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D.
Re: Proposed IETF 95 Date Change
On Jul 21, 2012, at 10:00 AM, Eliot Lear wrote: I'd support a date change for IETF 95 but it should be the week of the 14th to take into account Palm Sunday and Good Friday. As to Ramadan, I too would like to understand if there is a need to take this holiday into account, and what would be the practical way to do that? My Moslem coworkers, some more observant, some less so, all come to work on Ramadan. Ramadan lasts a whole month (well, a whole lunar cycle), and involves fasting from sunrise to sunset. This is relatively OK when Ramadan falls in winter, but more painful when it falls in summer. This year Ramadan started yesterday, and ends on August 19. Moving the meeting one week in either direction would not have helped. Yoav
Re: Proposed IETF 95 Date Change
You can just plan one at anytime but in the early morning. This would help and will come before the tiring part is taking place. Best Regards Muhammad Badi On Jul 21, 2012, at 4:55 PM, Yoav Nir wrote: On Jul 21, 2012, at 10:00 AM, Eliot Lear wrote: I'd support a date change for IETF 95 but it should be the week of the 14th to take into account Palm Sunday and Good Friday. As to Ramadan, I too would like to understand if there is a need to take this holiday into account, and what would be the practical way to do that? My Moslem coworkers, some more observant, some less so, all come to work on Ramadan. Ramadan lasts a whole month (well, a whole lunar cycle), and involves fasting from sunrise to sunset. This is relatively OK when Ramadan falls in winter, but more painful when it falls in summer. This year Ramadan started yesterday, and ends on August 19. Moving the meeting one week in either direction would not have helped. Yoav
Re: Proposed IETF 95 Date Change
On 21 July 2012 06:55, Yoav Nir y...@checkpoint.com wrote: This year Ramadan started yesterday, and ends on August 19. Moving the meeting one week in either direction would not have helped. But moving it to the southern hemisphere would have.
Re: Proposed IETF 95 Date Change
From: James Polk jmp...@cisco.com outstanding - now we can't meet that whole year... ;-) Particularly since in _my_ religion, our religious days consist of the set of days which _aren't_ religious holidays in any other religion... :-) Noel
Re: Proposed IETF 95 Date Change
On Sat, 2012-07-21 at 13:25 -0700, Martin Thomson wrote: On 21 July 2012 06:55, Yoav Nir y...@checkpoint.com wrote: This year Ramadan started yesterday, and ends on August 19. Moving the meeting one week in either direction would not have helped. But moving it to the southern hemisphere would have. How?
Re: Proposed IETF 95 Date Change
Glen Zorn glenz...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, 2012-07-21 at 13:25 -0700, Martin Thomson wrote: On 21 July 2012 06:55, Yoav Nir y...@checkpoint.com wrote: This year Ramadan started yesterday, and ends on August 19. Moving the meeting one week in either direction would not have helped. But moving it to the southern hemisphere would have. How? By cutting the sunrise-to-sunset fasting period of the day to a much shorter period. -- Cos
Re: Proposed IETF 95 Date Change
On Sat, 2012-07-21 at 21:42 -0400, Ofer Inbar wrote: Glen Zorn glenz...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, 2012-07-21 at 13:25 -0700, Martin Thomson wrote: On 21 July 2012 06:55, Yoav Nir y...@checkpoint.com wrote: This year Ramadan started yesterday, and ends on August 19. Moving the meeting one week in either direction would not have helped. But moving it to the southern hemisphere would have. How? By cutting the sunrise-to-sunset fasting period of the day to a much shorter period. I see. Well, look on the bright side: the meeting could have been in Reykjavik ;-). -- Cos attachment: face-wink.png
Re: Proposed IETF 95 Date Change
I see. Well, look on the bright side: the meeting could have been in Reykjavik ;-). Yes, that would have been bright, wouldn't it? R's, John PS: sure like those hot dogs, though.
