Re: Less Corporate Diversity
On 21/03/13 1:33 PM, John C Klensin wrote: --On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 23:36 +0100 Jari Arkko jari.ar...@piuha.net wrote: I think it is mostly market forces and historical reasons, and the development of the IETF to focus on more particular core aspects of the Internet (like routing) as opposed to what the small shops might work on. I mostly agree. However, I see lots of activity in Apps and RAI, very little of which would seem to be core aspects of the Internet. Also, given the cost factor, the length of time it usually seems to take us to spin up a WG and get anything done is probably also a significant barrier: a small shop who could afford to send someone to a meeting or three might have neither the people-resources nor travel and meeting budget to commit to a few years of meetings. Hi John, I think that any small shop (whatever that means) would be put off if they sent someone to an IETF as it appears that it is dominated by the big vendors pushing their own agendas. Given that impression I imagine the small shop has better things to do with its resources. Mark.
Re: Excellent choice for summer meeting location!
Dassa wrote: | -What kind of city with a population of 75,000 has hotel | accommodations for 2000 people unless it's a tourist Mecca | and likely expensive and overbooked? A lot of regional centres are geared to large numbers of tourists/visitors. As for expensive and overbooked, I find most large cities have prices two or three times those in regional centres for accommadation and as any use of a regional centre would be a big bonus to the host city, there is scope for negotiation and I'm sure additional price cuts. Not many regional cities would have the conference facilities that will cope with an IETF, it's not your normal conference that just needs a single large plenary hall. I will also note that in 2000 Adelaide, a city of around 1 million people, struggled for hotel rooms given that people not associated with the IETF also wanted hotel rooms in the city :) Mark. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Excellent choice for summer meeting location!
Dassa wrote: Actually I find it hard to understand Adelaide having issues with accommadation unless there was another major event at the same time. How does it cope with motor sport events, they used to hold some there didn't they? Hotels don't like blocking all of their rooms to one event so you will never get all of their rooms.Count yourself lucky to get 50% of them. Also some have standing bookings, such as airline flight crews, etc., that cut down their actual usable capacity. Of course the secretariat know all of this. For motor sport events there is a smaller percentage of non locals, more people in a single room and they are happy to travel further. Also I recall in the first years of the Formula One Grand Prix the GP office was organising home stays in addition to booking accomodation over 50km from the event. Not exactly ideal for an IETF. When the Ring Cycle was in town all the hotels kept their rates at rack rate and insisted that all bookings conform to the cycle. This made it unworkable even though the convention centre was available. Note Adelaide has more hotel beds now than in 2000 and while the building work at the Convention Centre is finished it build more exhibition space rather than more plenary rooms. In short, unless you have tried to do this you probably don't realise how difficult it is to find a site suitable for the IETF. Mark. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Excellent choice for summer meeting location!
Franck Martin wrote: On serious note: go in the Alps. The ski stations are nearly empty (no snow), they have huge capacity (some were Winter Olympic places), the weather is quite good and the scenery is breath taking. Might I suggest that you find a suitable venue and a sponsor that can provide connectivity to the venue and then suggest it. Having been through this process (and Jordi I started hassling for Adelaide at the Columbus meeting in 1993 and Jun spent a similar amount of time trying to get it to Tokyo so keep going :) I can say it's not easy trying to find a venue that can be configured for an IETF (multiple large meeting rooms) together with a large number of close by hotel rooms. Mark. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: /48 micro allocations for v6 root servers, was: national security
Franck Martin wrote: Just some perspectives on the IPv6 addressing scheme, that I have highlighted to APNIC. A country like Tuvalu with about 10,000 people, which is an island with many possibility of connectivity to the Internet would be attributed what range if they request IPv6? Don't tell me they do not need IPv6 or they can get it from their upstream provider. It is a country, they should be able to change their upstream provider every 6 months without having to change the IP space of the country... BTW: I know about 10 countries in this case in the Pacific Islands, unfortunately few are APNIC members or attend APNIC. I know it's a bit bigger but see Papua New Guinea (2001:0C60::/32). I'm not sure if they are using it yet as I stopped providing support for PNG before I could roll out new router OS versions necessary to support IPv6. I doubt that APNIC would have a problem with Tuvalu making a case for a prefix. Mark.
Re: IETF58 - Network Status
Kevin C. Almeroth wrote: It might be a good idea to stop comparing Minneapolis to Vienna. Vienna had a host and Minneapolis did not. I'm not sure there should be any difference. I was the host in Adelaide but I didn't do the radios, I out sourced them to a local company that specialises in that sort of stuff. They were interested in seeing a large deployment of radios and understanding the problems encountered. Perhaps we should be targeting these sort of companies to help us? Mark.
RE: Financial state of the IETF - to be presented Wednesday
At 7:56 AM -0500 16/3/03, Margaret Wasserman wrote: What about South America and India. I've heard that both are substantially less expensive than the US/Europe/Japan for vacation accomodations. Does the same hold for convention costs? Out of curiosity I would like to know how the Adelaide meeting compared since I never bothered to ask when I hosted. Mark.
Re: Wireless LAN experiences from the IETF meetings?
We are investigating the deployment of a wireless LAN infrastructure (IEEE 802.11) for our building and were hoping to tap into past experiences from wireless LAN deployments at the IETF meetings. Are there any documents online that present "guidelines" for deployment of wireless LANs at the IETF meetings? Alternatively, can anyone recommend other documents which might help get us started - especially along the lines of strategic deployment of IEEE 802.11 access points? I'm not aware of any such documents. The problem with the IETF is that every venue is different with it's own properties. For example we were told that the Adelaide Convention Centre was relatively radio transparent but when we got there and the inter Hall walls were put in place we found that they weren't. This meant that the original plan was out the window and it was back to mapping the venue as the AP's were installed (together with installing more APs, including one in each of the large halls which wasn't in the original plan). I think you really need to borrow some kit and find out what your environment is like. Mark.
Re: draft-ietf-nat-protocol-complications-02.txt
The problem is not NAT's. The problem is why people have to use NAT's...they can't get the numbers they need or want, in large measure, due to the greed of ISP's. That is a huge generalisation. The ISP I work for offers customers as many IP numbers as they can justify and at no additional cost to them. Irrespective of the availability of public address space a large number of customers choose to do NAT for their own reasons. Mark.
Static addresses for the Adelaide IETF
Just another question :-) For people who will want static IPs rather than dynamic (I assume for firewall configuration), will you want to use wireless? I'm told to keep MBONE/wired and wireless LANs apart and so I'm trying to determine if I need more than one static address pool. Note this is not the time to request a static assignment! This is just question time :-) Mark.
Who is interested in wireless cards for the Adelaide IETF meeting?
Lucent will be making available 802.11 DS wireless technology for the forthcoming meeting in Adelaide. They have offered a similar deal to Nortel at the last meeting where IETFers can loan a card for the duration of the meeting and/or buy a card. They would like to get some idea of how many people attending the meeting would like to take up this offer so they can ensure they have sufficent stocks to meet the demand. The package being offered is a WaveLAN IEEE Turbo 11Mbps PC card for AU$276.36 (approx US$175). Drivers are available from Lucent for (at least) Windows 95, 98, NT, CE, 2000, MacOS and Linux. Could people that are interested please send expressions of interest to [EMAIL PROTECTED] so I can let Lucent know how many cards are needed. Thanks, Mark.
Re: Internet SYN Flooding, spoofing attacks
We (at least cisco, anyways) already have a knob for this: [no] ip verify unicast reverse-path We call it Unicast RPF. And its well documented... NOT and available on all routers/interfaces... NOT If it was documented and available on things like PRIs then it would be a lot easier to deploy. Also some of the bugs that turn off CEF need to be addressed (or at least also cause "ip verify unicast reverse-path" to be turned off too). Mark.
Re: Internet SYN Flooding, spoofing attacks
This is a small percentage, I would thing, since the percentage of ISP's offering transit pales in comparison to all other "access" ISP's that do not. And in cases where ISP's _do_ offer transit, or have transit agreements, will they really do this on their transit interfaces? I think not. Maybe not as small as you think when simplex satellite is involved. Mark.
Re: IETF meeting wireless standard
I'm definitely interested. So do we have someone with a company connection who can get the IETF a good bulk discount on 801.11 DS cards? Especially the 11 megabit variant... (Is Adelaide going to have 11 mbps support?) The current plan is to have 802.11 DS 11Mbps support. I am still working on the final details with two vendors (who are also interested in doing an IETF special deal on the cards). If I can get appropriate access points we wlll also have 802.11 FH support but that is of a lesser priority for me at this stage. As a local host I would certainly like to see the IETF say "the wireless standard is x" (for one single value of x) as trying to pull this together is tough enough as it is without having to source two different types of wireless cards (luckily for me GSM uses 900MHz :-) Mark.
