Re: [spfbis] there is no transitiion, was Last Call: draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt

2013-08-21 Thread John Levine
Actually, I just checked.   Right now, none of them seem to publish SPF RRtype 
records.
Yahoo doesn't even publish a TXT record containing SPF information.   An 
argument could
be made that if we really wanted to push the adoption of SPF RRtypes, getting 
Google,
Yahoo and Hotmail to publish SPF RRtype records would actually make it 
worthwhile to
query SPF first, because most queries probably go to those domains.

This would require some reason why it is worth them spending time and
money to do something that has no operational benefit whatsoever.

If they start publishing type 99, something will break, because when
you change something in large systems, something always breaks.  Some
mail systems somewhere with bugs in type 99 handling that they never
noticed will start making mail fail.  For doing that, will anyone's
mail work better?  No.  Will their DNS work better?  No.

As I have mentioned a couple of times already, even though Yahoo
doesn't publish SPF (I believe due to political issues related to the
history of Domainkeys and DKIM), they do check SPF.  They used to
check both TXT and type 99, and stopped checking type 99.  What
argumment is there to spend money to revisit and reverse that
decision?

Arguments about DNS purity, and hypothetical arguments about other TXT
records that will never exist are unlikely to be persusasive.

R's,
John


Re: [spfbis] there is no transitiion, was Last Call: draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt

2013-08-21 Thread Ted Lemon
On Aug 21, 2013, at 10:44 AM, John Levine jo...@taugh.com wrote:
 This would require some reason why it is worth them spending time and
 money to do something that has no operational benefit whatsoever.

Sorry, I wasn't trying to make an argument for you to refute.   I'm saying that 
if the people who want to change the outcome of the spfbis consensus are 
serious, this would be a good way to show that they have community support for 
their position.