Re: Getting to Quebec City
On Jun 18, 2011, at 12:09 PM, Alastair Johnson wrote: That's what I'm doing - the SFO-ORD-YQB fare was the same as flying to YUL. +1 Bob AJ On 18/06/2011, at 11:50 AM, Michael StJohns mstjo...@comcast.net wrote: Why didn't you fly ORD-YQB? There's a 7pm flight that gets in around 10:23. It had to be cheaper than a hotel and train ride. Mike At 12:20 PM 6/18/2011, Ole Jacobsen wrote: Here is what I am doing: * Fly SFO-ORD and ORD-YUL, gets me to Montreal at 21:14 * Spend the night at the Hilton Montreal, this is very close to the train station. * Take Train 620 @ 0830 from Montreal, arrives 11:35 in Quebec City (if it runs on time :-) That should at least get me to the meeting before the opening reception, we'll see... Yes, this involves an extra hotel night etc, but I think it will be a lot less stressful. Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: o...@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj Skype: organdemo ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Getting to Quebec City
We wrote these instructions for those who want to fly to Montréal instead of Québec: http://ietf81.ca/?page_id=423 Simon -- DTN made easy, lean, and smart -- http://postellation.viagenie.ca NAT64/DNS64 open-source-- http://ecdysis.viagenie.ca STUN/TURN server -- http://numb.viagenie.ca ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Getting to Quebec City
At 10:43 AM -0500 6/18/11, Mary Barnes wrote: As far as renting a car, it is likely a very good choice for anyone that is arriving in Montreal later in the day. I have a choice of one direct flight to Montreal that puts me arriving in Montreal 7pm. Even a one stop flight still puts me arriving around that time. So, given my experience in Maastricht with trains and a trip that took about 18 hours gate to gate, I plan to rent a car (and drop it off in QC on Sunday), which results in a trip 8 hours gate to gate. I was considering flying to Montreal and taking the train to Quebec City, but the only schedule that was reasonable for me involved an overnight in Montreal. I am planning to take the train from Quebec City to Montreal on Friday, and fly home from Montreal on Saturday. -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal;facts are suspect;I speak for myself only -- Randomly selected tag: --- Few ideas are really bad. Most are either pre- or post-mature. --Jon Postel ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Getting to Quebec City
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 5:32 PM, Eric Rescorla e...@rtfm.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 5:08 PM, John Levine jo...@iecc.com wrote: As you may have noticed, flying to Quebec City (YQB) is incredibly expensive. That's because it's a regional airport with little competion. Flying to Montreal is usuallly a lot cheaper. Getting from Trudeau airport in Montreal involves some planning, but it's not hard. The trip is about four hours; Quebec is big, bigger than any state in the US. Nitpick alert: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_area Quebec: Land area=1,365,128 km2 Water Area=176,928 km2 Alaska: Land Area: 1,481,347 km2 Water Area=236,507 km2 Perhaps you meant Continental US. ...or Contiguous US, to rule out any misunderstanding :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contiguous_United_States --julien ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Getting to Quebec City
On 6/18/2011 7:08 AM, John Levine wrote: As you may have noticed, flying to Quebec City (YQB) is incredibly expensive. Hmm. My ticket to QC was only ~$40 CAD than the equivalent one to Montreal, far less than R/T bus or train fare... ... attachment: gwz.vcf___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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On 6/18/2011 8:31 AM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 12:08:52AM -, John Levine wrote: By train: there are four trains a day from Montreal to Quebec. Although there is a train station in Dorval, close to the airport, it doesn't have any through trains to Quebec so it's easier to go downtown. Note that if you plan to use Via Rail, you should treat the train timetables as rough guidelines rather than something on which to rely. The train usually does not run exactly on time, although the timetables might be close enough for IETF arrival purposes. But worse, there are occasional equipment failures that make things fail in big ways. Via runs on tracks shared with (and owned by) the freight lines, so if Via has an equipment failure that causes them a delay, they can miss a window completely. I have arrived over 4 hours late on a trip that should not have taken 4 hours total. Sounds like air travel in China ;-) ... attachment: gwz.vcf___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Getting to Quebec City
As far as renting a car, it is likely a very good choice for anyone that is arriving in Montreal later in the day. I have a choice of one direct flight to Montreal that puts me arriving in Montreal 7pm. Even a one stop flight still puts me arriving around that time. So, given my experience in Maastricht with trains and a trip that took about 18 hours gate to gate, I plan to rent a car (and drop it off in QC on Sunday), which results in a trip 8 hours gate to gate. Whereas, flying into QC ends up taking nearly 12 hours with layovers/connections. While Quebec might be bigger than states other than Alaska., the distances between QC, Montreal, Toronto, etc. are very similar to Dallas, Austin, San Antonio and Houston, which are all reasonable drive times for some of us. Regards, Mary. On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 7:08 PM, John Levine jo...@iecc.com wrote: As you may have noticed, flying to Quebec City (YQB) is incredibly expensive. That's because it's a regional airport with little competion. Flying to Montreal is usuallly a lot cheaper. Getting from Trudeau airport in Montreal involves some planning, but it's not hard. The trip is about four hours; Quebec is big, bigger than any state in the US. By bus: Orleans Express has five buses a day. You can buy tickets online or at the ICE America desk in the airport lobby: https://www.orleansexpress.com/search.aspx By train: there are four trains a day from Montreal to Quebec. Although there is a train station in Dorval, close to the airport, it doesn't have any through trains to Quebec so it's easier to go downtown. The 747 city bus runs every 10 to 15 minutes express to downtown. Get off at Mansfield for the central train station. The fare is $8, most easily paid by getting a day transit pass, which also costs $8, at the currency exchange booth in the airport lobby. For train schedules and fares, see the Via Rail web site. The Quebec train station is a medium walk or a short taxi trip from the convention centre. http://www.stm.info/english/info/a-747.htm http://www.viarail.ca You can rent a car and drive, but unless you're planning to do som touring before or after the meeting, e.g., to the Saguenay fjord, Montreal to Quebec not a very interesting drive so I wouldn't bother. R's, John ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Getting to Quebec City
As far as renting a car, it is likely a very good choice for anyone that is arriving in Montreal later in the day. I have a choice of one direct flight to Montreal that puts me arriving in Montreal 7pm. FYI, there is a direct bus from YUL to Quebec that leaves at 20:30. With Wifi, even. It's a reasonable choice, and about $100 less than a one way car rental. The Quebec bus station is adjacent to the train station and a quick taxi to hotels. R's, John ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Getting to Quebec City
Here is what I am doing: * Fly SFO-ORD and ORD-YUL, gets me to Montreal at 21:14 * Spend the night at the Hilton Montreal, this is very close to the train station. * Take Train 620 @ 0830 from Montreal, arrives 11:35 in Quebec City (if it runs on time :-) That should at least get me to the meeting before the opening reception, we'll see... Yes, this involves an extra hotel night etc, but I think it will be a lot less stressful. Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: o...@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj Skype: organdemo ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Getting to Quebec City
Why didn't you fly ORD-YQB? There's a 7pm flight that gets in around 10:23. It had to be cheaper than a hotel and train ride. Mike At 12:20 PM 6/18/2011, Ole Jacobsen wrote: Here is what I am doing: * Fly SFO-ORD and ORD-YUL, gets me to Montreal at 21:14 * Spend the night at the Hilton Montreal, this is very close to the train station. * Take Train 620 @ 0830 from Montreal, arrives 11:35 in Quebec City (if it runs on time :-) That should at least get me to the meeting before the opening reception, we'll see... Yes, this involves an extra hotel night etc, but I think it will be a lot less stressful. Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: o...@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj Skype: organdemo ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Getting to Quebec City
That's what I'm doing - the SFO-ORD-YQB fare was the same as flying to YUL. AJ On 18/06/2011, at 11:50 AM, Michael StJohns mstjo...@comcast.net wrote: Why didn't you fly ORD-YQB? There's a 7pm flight that gets in around 10:23. It had to be cheaper than a hotel and train ride. Mike At 12:20 PM 6/18/2011, Ole Jacobsen wrote: Here is what I am doing: * Fly SFO-ORD and ORD-YUL, gets me to Montreal at 21:14 * Spend the night at the Hilton Montreal, this is very close to the train station. * Take Train 620 @ 0830 from Montreal, arrives 11:35 in Quebec City (if it runs on time :-) That should at least get me to the meeting before the opening reception, we'll see... Yes, this involves an extra hotel night etc, but I think it will be a lot less stressful. Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: o...@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj Skype: organdemo ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Getting to Quebec City
On Sat, 18 Jun 2011, Michael StJohns wrote: Why didn't you fly ORD-YQB? There's a 7pm flight that gets in around 10:23. It had to be cheaper than a hotel and train ride. Probably not available at the time I made the booking... Ole ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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Why didn't you fly ORD-YQB? There's a 7pm flight that gets in around 10:23. It had to be cheaper than a hotel and train ride. Probably not available at the time I made the booking... Expert flyer says it still has four seats available, with fares in Y B M U H Q V classes and one way fare of $307. You can change your ticket and save the hassle. Regards, John Levine, jo...@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of The Internet for Dummies, Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Getting to Quebec City
On 18 Jun 2011, at 17:08, John R. Levine wrote: As far as renting a car, it is likely a very good choice for anyone that is arriving in Montreal later in the day. I have a choice of one direct flight to Montreal that puts me arriving in Montreal 7pm. FYI, there is a direct bus from YUL to Quebec that leaves at 20:30. With Wifi, even. It's a reasonable choice, and about $100 less than a one way car rental. The Quebec bus station is adjacent to the train station and a quick taxi to hotels. I'm flying internationally to Montreal and have a connecting flight from there to Quebec City with Air Canada (if they're not on strike, though the planes still to be flying despite that). The connect is listed at 50 mins so is probably about 30-40 in the air. Tim ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Getting to Quebec City
As you may have noticed, flying to Quebec City (YQB) is incredibly expensive. That's because it's a regional airport with little competion. Flying to Montreal is usuallly a lot cheaper. Getting from Trudeau airport in Montreal involves some planning, but it's not hard. The trip is about four hours; Quebec is big, bigger than any state in the US. By bus: Orleans Express has five buses a day. You can buy tickets online or at the ICE America desk in the airport lobby: https://www.orleansexpress.com/search.aspx By train: there are four trains a day from Montreal to Quebec. Although there is a train station in Dorval, close to the airport, it doesn't have any through trains to Quebec so it's easier to go downtown. The 747 city bus runs every 10 to 15 minutes express to downtown. Get off at Mansfield for the central train station. The fare is $8, most easily paid by getting a day transit pass, which also costs $8, at the currency exchange booth in the airport lobby. For train schedules and fares, see the Via Rail web site. The Quebec train station is a medium walk or a short taxi trip from the convention centre. http://www.stm.info/english/info/a-747.htm http://www.viarail.ca You can rent a car and drive, but unless you're planning to do som touring before or after the meeting, e.g., to the Saguenay fjord, Montreal to Quebec not a very interesting drive so I wouldn't bother. R's, John ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Getting to Quebec City
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 5:08 PM, John Levine jo...@iecc.com wrote: As you may have noticed, flying to Quebec City (YQB) is incredibly expensive. That's because it's a regional airport with little competion. Flying to Montreal is usuallly a lot cheaper. Getting from Trudeau airport in Montreal involves some planning, but it's not hard. The trip is about four hours; Quebec is big, bigger than any state in the US. Nitpick alert: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_area Quebec: Land area=1,365,128 km2 Water Area=176,928 km2 Alaska: Land Area: 1,481,347 km2 Water Area=236,507 km2 Perhaps you meant Continental US. Best, -Ekr ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Getting to Quebec City
On 06/17/2011 04:32 PM, Eric Rescorla wrote: Quebec: Land area=1,365,128 km2 Water Area=176,928 km2 Alaska: Land Area: 1,481,347 km2 Water Area=236,507 km2 Perhaps you meant Continental US. Until recently if you tried to sign up for Google Voice from Alaska you were informed that the service is not available in your country. People ask what the local currency is. John's oversight is a trivial one by comparison. Melinda ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Getting to Quebec City
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 12:08:52AM -, John Levine wrote: By train: there are four trains a day from Montreal to Quebec. Although there is a train station in Dorval, close to the airport, it doesn't have any through trains to Quebec so it's easier to go downtown. Note that if you plan to use Via Rail, you should treat the train timetables as rough guidelines rather than something on which to rely. The train usually does not run exactly on time, although the timetables might be close enough for IETF arrival purposes. But worse, there are occasional equipment failures that make things fail in big ways. Via runs on tracks shared with (and owned by) the freight lines, so if Via has an equipment failure that causes them a delay, they can miss a window completely. I have arrived over 4 hours late on a trip that should not have taken 4 hours total. One history of Canada suggests that we were only stitched together in order to enable the CPR to be built. Now we can barely run trains. Sir Sanford Fleming must be unhappy. A -- Andrew Sullivan a...@anvilwalrusden.com ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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Perhaps, the real surface is becoming smaller and smaller due to green house effect! I wonder if Eye Pi Vee Six is greener! On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 1:50 AM, Melinda Shore melinda.sh...@gmail.comwrote: On 06/17/2011 04:32 PM, Eric Rescorla wrote: Quebec: Land area=1,365,128 km2 Water Area=176,928 km2 Alaska: Land Area: 1,481,347 km2 Water Area=236,507 km2 Perhaps you meant Continental US. Until recently if you tried to sign up for Google Voice from Alaska you were informed that the service is not available in your country. People ask what the local currency is. John's oversight is a trivial one by comparison. Melinda __**_ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/**listinfo/ietfhttps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
