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The joke is: "I pee on everything." It occurs to me that this aspect of our history -- and especially the confirmation of it demonstrated by the length of this thread -- probably explains much of our style for conducting business. We really should not be at all surprised that participants are so often pissed off. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 09:32:35AM -0700, Philip Nesser wrote: > IIRC the phrase started out as "IP over Everthing" back in the days when > there was still competing network protocols and we were writing standards > for IP over Infiniband, IP over IEEE , etc since there were > "competing" protocols X.25 over blah, IPX over blah, CNLP over blah, > etc... and network adaptors were still fairly pricey. At some point in the > mid-90s the emphasis started to shift and we started thinking of almost > anything being an "end point" and it became more "IP on Everything". Of course, there's also "IP by carrier pigeon". "IP on/over carrier pigeon" just doesn't sound right. :-) - Ted ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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> The joke is: "I pee on everything." That's right and it was hilarious to see three-piece suit wearing Vint show it up when we all were drinking beers outside the hotel at some sort of party during Inet-SFO. Cheers Jorge ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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IIRC the phrase started out as "IP over Everthing" back in the days when there was still competing network protocols and we were writing standards for IP over Infiniband, IP over IEEE , etc since there were "competing" protocols X.25 over blah, IPX over blah, CNLP over blah, etc... and network adaptors were still fairly pricey. At some point in the mid-90s the emphasis started to shift and we started thinking of almost anything being an "end point" and it became more "IP on Everything". ---> Phil On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Lixia Zhang wrote: > > On Aug 18, 2010, at 8:28 AM, Ole Jacobsen wrote: > > > But his T-shirt says "IP *on* Everything" which makes it funnier. > > > > > http://jboss-uat.crn.com/channel-encyclopedia/definition-print.htm?term=IP+on+Everything&printType=image > > > > Ole > > my english is not good, but doesn't "on" carry more significant meaning > over "over"? > over only means that ip pkts get carried over (so the everything here only > means different carrier) > > with on, "everything" can have a much broader range, from your toaster to > mars > > > > > > On Tue, 17 Aug 2010, John C Klensin wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> --On Monday, August 16, 2010 14:39 -0700 Dave CROCKER > >> wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> On 8/16/2010 2:30 PM, Fred Baker wrote: > or http://www.pdphoto.org/PictureDetail.php?mat=&pg=7634 > >>> > >>> Given that the pun is based on Vint's observing that we had IP > >>> running "over" all sorts of different media, as I recall his > >>> comment was "IP over Everything". > >> > >> Yes. His comment and his tee-shirt. > >> > >> john > >> > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> Ietf mailing list > >> Ietf@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > >> > > ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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On Thu, 19 Aug 2010, Lixia Zhang wrote: > > On Aug 18, 2010, at 8:28 AM, Ole Jacobsen wrote: > > > But his T-shirt says "IP *on* Everything" which makes it funnier. > > > > http://jboss-uat.crn.com/channel-encyclopedia/definition-print.htm?term=IP+on+Everything&printType=image > > > > Ole > > my english is not good, but doesn't "on" carry more significant > meaning over "over"? over only means that ip pkts get carried over > (so the everything here only means different carrier) > > with on, "everything" can have a much broader range, from your toaster to mars > The joke is: "I pee on everything." Ole ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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On Aug 18, 2010, at 8:28 AM, Ole Jacobsen wrote: > But his T-shirt says "IP *on* Everything" which makes it funnier. > > http://jboss-uat.crn.com/channel-encyclopedia/definition-print.htm?term=IP+on+Everything&printType=image > > Ole my english is not good, but doesn't "on" carry more significant meaning over "over"? over only means that ip pkts get carried over (so the everything here only means different carrier) with on, "everything" can have a much broader range, from your toaster to mars > > On Tue, 17 Aug 2010, John C Klensin wrote: > >> >> >> --On Monday, August 16, 2010 14:39 -0700 Dave CROCKER >> wrote: >> >>> >>> On 8/16/2010 2:30 PM, Fred Baker wrote: or http://www.pdphoto.org/PictureDetail.php?mat=&pg=7634 >>> >>> Given that the pun is based on Vint's observing that we had IP >>> running "over" all sorts of different media, as I recall his >>> comment was "IP over Everything". >> >> Yes. His comment and his tee-shirt. >> >> john >> >> >> >> ___ >> Ietf mailing list >> Ietf@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf >> ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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>> or http://www.pdphoto.org/PictureDetail.php?mat=&pg=7634 > > Given that the pun is based on Vint's observing that we had IP running > "over" all sorts of different media, as I recall his comment was "IP over > Everything". > > d/ I remember Vint wearing the T-shirt on the SFO Inet meeting, I think it was 1993, and I believe is the same T-shirt when he was featured on the cover of Boardwatch Mag. The T-shirt clearly said "IP on Everything", but I agree that in the context of those days it meant "over" everything, such as Ethernet, P2P, TDM, OCx, FR, ATM, SMDS, X.25, you name it. I like the Internet Staff with a variant, "Internet Staff != ICANN employee" Cheers Jorge ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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But his T-shirt says "IP *on* Everything" which makes it funnier. http://jboss-uat.crn.com/channel-encyclopedia/definition-print.htm?term=IP+on+Everything&printType=image Ole On Tue, 17 Aug 2010, John C Klensin wrote: > > > --On Monday, August 16, 2010 14:39 -0700 Dave CROCKER > wrote: > > > > > On 8/16/2010 2:30 PM, Fred Baker wrote: > >> or http://www.pdphoto.org/PictureDetail.php?mat=&pg=7634 > > > > Given that the pun is based on Vint's observing that we had IP > > running "over" all sorts of different media, as I recall his > > comment was "IP over Everything". > > Yes. His comment and his tee-shirt. > >john > > > > ___ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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--On Monday, August 16, 2010 14:39 -0700 Dave CROCKER wrote: > > On 8/16/2010 2:30 PM, Fred Baker wrote: >> or http://www.pdphoto.org/PictureDetail.php?mat=&pg=7634 > > Given that the pun is based on Vint's observing that we had IP > running "over" all sorts of different media, as I recall his > comment was "IP over Everything". Yes. His comment and his tee-shirt. john ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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They were a gift. The fact that I was confused on the source tells you the attitude in which they were given, and the attitude the giver wanted the rest of us to adopt. On Aug 17, 2010, at 11:36 AM, Ralph Droms wrote: > My recollection is that they were a gift from Craig Partridge... > > - Ralph > > On Aug 17, 2010, at 2:23 PM 8/17/10, Patrik Fältström wrote: > >> >> On 17 aug 2010, at 19.43, Fred Baker wrote: >> >>> I actually really appreciated Marshall Rose's shirt from Danbury - >>> >>> "Internet Staff" >> >> +1 >> >> Patrik >> >> ___ >> Ietf mailing list >> Ietf@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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My recollection is that they were a gift from Craig Partridge... - Ralph On Aug 17, 2010, at 2:23 PM 8/17/10, Patrik Fältström wrote: > > On 17 aug 2010, at 19.43, Fred Baker wrote: > >> I actually really appreciated Marshall Rose's shirt from Danbury - >> >>"Internet Staff" > > +1 > > Patrik > > ___ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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On 17 aug 2010, at 19.43, Fred Baker wrote: > I actually really appreciated Marshall Rose's shirt from Danbury - > > "Internet Staff" +1 Patrik ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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I actually really appreciated Marshall Rose's shirt from Danbury - "Internet Staff" On Aug 17, 2010, at 10:29 AM, J.D. Falk wrote: > On Aug 16, 2010, at 8:14 PM, Dave CROCKER wrote: > >> how about just capturing the essence of the IETF with: >> >> >> There have been many contributors to this document >> both in terms of concepts and in terms of text. >> >> --Jon Postel >> Editor >> IEN 111 >> August 1979 > > "I'm a contributor" > > ___ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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On Aug 16, 2010, at 8:14 PM, Dave CROCKER wrote: > how about just capturing the essence of the IETF with: > > >There have been many contributors to this document >both in terms of concepts and in terms of text. > >--Jon Postel > Editor > IEN 111 > August 1979 "I'm a contributor" ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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Perhaps we need a whole "Postel/Cerf Collection" (or perhaps a more general "Titans of the IETF Collection") which could be modeled at the next Plenary... ---Birkenstocks with "IP" and "TCP" on the bottoms of each sandal ---Varieties of Hats with the phrase "IP On Everything ---Umbrellas with "IP Over Everything" ---(For the well off) Golden Crowns with the points bent downward inscribed "This is the IETF, We reject kings, presidents and voting. We believe in rough consensus and running code" ---"Tuxedo T-shirts" with a name tag saying "Vint Cerf" ---etc ---> Phil On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Dave CROCKER wrote: > > > On 17/08/2010, at 8:34 AM, Fred Baker wrote: >> >>> IEN 111, August 1979. The preface reads: >>> >>> This document describes the Internet Protocol. There have been three >>> previous editions of this specification, and the present text draws >>> heavily from them. There have been many contributors to this document >>> both in terms of concepts and in terms of text. >>> >>> Jon Postel >>> Editor >>> >> > > how about just capturing the essence of the IETF with: > > > >There have been many contributors to this document >both in terms of concepts and in terms of text. > >--Jon Postel > Editor > IEN 111 > August 1979 > > > > d/ > -- > > Dave Crocker > Brandenburg InternetWorking > bbiw.net > > ___ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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>Given that the pun is based on Vint's observing that we had IP running "over" >all sorts of different media, as I recall his comment was "IP over Everything". Please do NOT put that on a thong. R's, John ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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On 17/08/2010, at 8:34 AM, Fred Baker wrote: IEN 111, August 1979. The preface reads: This document describes the Internet Protocol. There have been three previous editions of this specification, and the present text draws heavily from them. There have been many contributors to this document both in terms of concepts and in terms of text. Jon Postel Editor how about just capturing the essence of the IETF with: There have been many contributors to this document both in terms of concepts and in terms of text. --Jon Postel Editor IEN 111 August 1979 d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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On 8/16/2010 2:30 PM, Fred Baker wrote: or http://www.pdphoto.org/PictureDetail.php?mat=&pg=7634 Given that the pun is based on Vint's observing that we had IP running "over" all sorts of different media, as I recall his comment was "IP over Everything". d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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An updated version based on the 6LoWPAN and other fronts work could be: "IP on Anything" Cheers Jorge On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Christian Huitema wrote: > Classic: > > IP over everything > > (dog optional) > > -Original Message- > From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mark > Nottingham > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 8:05 PM > To: Fred Baker > Cc: wgcha...@ietf.org; ietf@ietf.org > Subject: Re: IETF Logo Wear > > That's going to be hard to fit on a t-shirt, Fred. > > *ducks* > > > On 17/08/2010, at 8:34 AM, Fred Baker wrote: > >> IEN 111, August 1979. The preface reads: >> >> This document describes the Internet Protocol. There have been three >> previous editions of this specification, and the present text draws >> heavily from them. There have been many contributors to this document >> both in terms of concepts and in terms of text. >> >> Jon Postel >> Editor >> >> I suspect that, as editor, he would blanch a bit at finding anything there >> attributed specifically to *him*; he would have said - and on occasion did >> say - "I was there", but would go on to point out that there were many >> contributors and many contributions. That said, it is the first instance I >> can find of the Robustness Principle: >> >> The implementation of a protocol must be robust. Each implementation >> must expect to interoperate with others created by different >> individuals. While the goal of this specification is to be explicit >> about the protocol there is the possibility of differing >> interpretations. In general, an implementation should be conservative >> in its sending behavior, and liberal in its receiving behavior. That >> is, it should be careful to send well-formed datagrams, but should >> accept any datagram that it can interpret (e.g., not object to >> technical errors where the meaning is still clear). >> >> The comment, in various forms, is repeated in IENs 112, 123, 124, 128, and >> 129, and in RFCs 760, 761, 791, and 793. >> >> >> On Aug 16, 2010, at 3:09 PM, Sean Turner wrote: >> >>> I like: >>> >>> "Be conservative in what you send and liberal in what you accept" >>> Jon Postel >>> >>> I'm sure somebody who has been around longer than me can offer up a >>> date ;) >>> >>> spt >>> >>> >>> Fred Baker wrote: >>>> There's no place like ::1 >>>> On Aug 16, 2010, at 2:01 PM, Philip Nesser wrote: >>>>> We obviously need an IETF branded one of these: >>>>> http://www.cafepress.com/+theres_127001_infant_bodysuit,88172 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---> Phil >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:26 AM, IETF Administrative Director >>>>> wrote: >>>>> All; >>>>> >>>>> At the request of the community the IAOC and the IETF Trust have >>>>> approved the establishment of an online store from which the >>>>> community can buy IETF logo wear. >>>>> >>>>> The store is at CafePress at: http://www.cafepress.com/ietf >>>>> >>>>> The store is maintained by the Internet Society and is expected to >>>>> generate a very modest income, which will be used to offset IETF >>>>> operational expenses. >>>>> >>>>> Suggestions for products or designs may be directed to Steve Conte, >>>>> co...@isoc.org. >>>>> >>>>> Shouldn't everyone in your family have an IETF logo wear t-shirt? >>>>> >>>>> Ray Pelletier >>>>> IAD >>>>> ___ >>>>> Ietf mailing list >>>>> Ietf@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf >>>>> >>>>> ___ >>>>> Ietf mailing list >>>>> Ietf@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf >>>> ___ >>>> Ietf mailing list >>>> Ietf@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf >>> ___ >>> Ietf mailing list >>> Ietf@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf >> > > > -- > Mark Nottingham http://www.mnot.net/ > > ___ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > > ___ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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Classic: IP over everything (dog optional) -Original Message- From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nottingham Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 8:05 PM To: Fred Baker Cc: wgcha...@ietf.org; ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: IETF Logo Wear That's going to be hard to fit on a t-shirt, Fred. *ducks* On 17/08/2010, at 8:34 AM, Fred Baker wrote: > IEN 111, August 1979. The preface reads: > > This document describes the Internet Protocol. There have been three > previous editions of this specification, and the present text draws > heavily from them. There have been many contributors to this document > both in terms of concepts and in terms of text. > > Jon Postel > Editor > > I suspect that, as editor, he would blanch a bit at finding anything there > attributed specifically to *him*; he would have said - and on occasion did > say - "I was there", but would go on to point out that there were many > contributors and many contributions. That said, it is the first instance I > can find of the Robustness Principle: > > The implementation of a protocol must be robust. Each implementation > must expect to interoperate with others created by different > individuals. While the goal of this specification is to be explicit > about the protocol there is the possibility of differing > interpretations. In general, an implementation should be conservative > in its sending behavior, and liberal in its receiving behavior. That > is, it should be careful to send well-formed datagrams, but should > accept any datagram that it can interpret (e.g., not object to > technical errors where the meaning is still clear). > > The comment, in various forms, is repeated in IENs 112, 123, 124, 128, and > 129, and in RFCs 760, 761, 791, and 793. > > > On Aug 16, 2010, at 3:09 PM, Sean Turner wrote: > >> I like: >> >> "Be conservative in what you send and liberal in what you accept" >>Jon Postel >> >> I'm sure somebody who has been around longer than me can offer up a >> date ;) >> >> spt >> >> >> Fred Baker wrote: >>> There's no place like ::1 >>> On Aug 16, 2010, at 2:01 PM, Philip Nesser wrote: >>>> We obviously need an IETF branded one of these: >>>> http://www.cafepress.com/+theres_127001_infant_bodysuit,88172 >>>> >>>> >>>> ---> Phil >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:26 AM, IETF Administrative Director >>>> wrote: >>>> All; >>>> >>>> At the request of the community the IAOC and the IETF Trust have >>>> approved the establishment of an online store from which the >>>> community can buy IETF logo wear. >>>> >>>> The store is at CafePress at: http://www.cafepress.com/ietf >>>> >>>> The store is maintained by the Internet Society and is expected to >>>> generate a very modest income, which will be used to offset IETF >>>> operational expenses. >>>> >>>> Suggestions for products or designs may be directed to Steve Conte, >>>> co...@isoc.org. >>>> >>>> Shouldn't everyone in your family have an IETF logo wear t-shirt? >>>> >>>> Ray Pelletier >>>> IAD >>>> ___ >>>> Ietf mailing list >>>> Ietf@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> Ietf mailing list >>>> Ietf@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf >>> ___ >>> Ietf mailing list >>> Ietf@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf >> ___ >> Ietf mailing list >> Ietf@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > -- Mark Nottingham http://www.mnot.net/ ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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That's going to be hard to fit on a t-shirt, Fred. *ducks* On 17/08/2010, at 8:34 AM, Fred Baker wrote: > IEN 111, August 1979. The preface reads: > > This document describes the Internet Protocol. There have been three > previous editions of this specification, and the present text draws > heavily from them. There have been many contributors to this document > both in terms of concepts and in terms of text. > > Jon Postel > Editor > > I suspect that, as editor, he would blanch a bit at finding anything there > attributed specifically to *him*; he would have said - and on occasion did > say - "I was there", but would go on to point out that there were many > contributors and many contributions. That said, it is the first instance I > can find of the Robustness Principle: > > The implementation of a protocol must be robust. Each implementation > must expect to interoperate with others created by different > individuals. While the goal of this specification is to be explicit > about the protocol there is the possibility of differing > interpretations. In general, an implementation should be conservative > in its sending behavior, and liberal in its receiving behavior. That > is, it should be careful to send well-formed datagrams, but should > accept any datagram that it can interpret (e.g., not object to > technical errors where the meaning is still clear). > > The comment, in various forms, is repeated in IENs 112, 123, 124, 128, and > 129, and in RFCs 760, 761, 791, and 793. > > > On Aug 16, 2010, at 3:09 PM, Sean Turner wrote: > >> I like: >> >> "Be conservative in what you send and liberal in what you accept" >>Jon Postel >> >> I'm sure somebody who has been around longer than me can offer up a date ;) >> >> spt >> >> >> Fred Baker wrote: >>> There's no place like ::1 >>> On Aug 16, 2010, at 2:01 PM, Philip Nesser wrote: >>>> We obviously need an IETF branded one of these: >>>> http://www.cafepress.com/+theres_127001_infant_bodysuit,88172 >>>> >>>> >>>> ---> Phil >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:26 AM, IETF Administrative Director >>>> wrote: >>>> All; >>>> >>>> At the request of the community the IAOC and the IETF Trust have approved >>>> the establishment of an online store from which the community can buy IETF >>>> logo wear. >>>> >>>> The store is at CafePress at: http://www.cafepress.com/ietf >>>> >>>> The store is maintained by the Internet Society and is expected to >>>> generate a very modest income, which will be used to offset IETF >>>> operational expenses. >>>> >>>> Suggestions for products or designs may be directed to Steve Conte, >>>> co...@isoc.org. >>>> >>>> Shouldn't everyone in your family have an IETF logo wear t-shirt? >>>> >>>> Ray Pelletier >>>> IAD >>>> ___ >>>> Ietf mailing list >>>> Ietf@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> Ietf mailing list >>>> Ietf@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf >>> ___ >>> Ietf mailing list >>> Ietf@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf >> ___ >> Ietf mailing list >> Ietf@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > -- Mark Nottingham http://www.mnot.net/ ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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IEN 111, August 1979. The preface reads: This document describes the Internet Protocol. There have been three previous editions of this specification, and the present text draws heavily from them. There have been many contributors to this document both in terms of concepts and in terms of text. Jon Postel Editor I suspect that, as editor, he would blanch a bit at finding anything there attributed specifically to *him*; he would have said - and on occasion did say - "I was there", but would go on to point out that there were many contributors and many contributions. That said, it is the first instance I can find of the Robustness Principle: The implementation of a protocol must be robust. Each implementation must expect to interoperate with others created by different individuals. While the goal of this specification is to be explicit about the protocol there is the possibility of differing interpretations. In general, an implementation should be conservative in its sending behavior, and liberal in its receiving behavior. That is, it should be careful to send well-formed datagrams, but should accept any datagram that it can interpret (e.g., not object to technical errors where the meaning is still clear). The comment, in various forms, is repeated in IENs 112, 123, 124, 128, and 129, and in RFCs 760, 761, 791, and 793. On Aug 16, 2010, at 3:09 PM, Sean Turner wrote: > I like: > > "Be conservative in what you send and liberal in what you accept" > Jon Postel > > I'm sure somebody who has been around longer than me can offer up a date ;) > > spt > > > Fred Baker wrote: >> There's no place like ::1 >> On Aug 16, 2010, at 2:01 PM, Philip Nesser wrote: >>> We obviously need an IETF branded one of these: >>> http://www.cafepress.com/+theres_127001_infant_bodysuit,88172 >>> >>> >>> ---> Phil >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:26 AM, IETF Administrative Director >>> wrote: >>> All; >>> >>> At the request of the community the IAOC and the IETF Trust have approved >>> the establishment of an online store from which the community can buy IETF >>> logo wear. >>> >>> The store is at CafePress at: http://www.cafepress.com/ietf >>> >>> The store is maintained by the Internet Society and is expected to >>> generate a very modest income, which will be used to offset IETF >>> operational expenses. >>> >>> Suggestions for products or designs may be directed to Steve Conte, >>> co...@isoc.org. >>> >>> Shouldn't everyone in your family have an IETF logo wear t-shirt? >>> >>> Ray Pelletier >>> IAD >>> ___ >>> Ietf mailing list >>> Ietf@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf >>> >>> ___ >>> Ietf mailing list >>> Ietf@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf >> ___ >> Ietf mailing list >> Ietf@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > ___ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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I like: "Be conservative in what you send and liberal in what you accept" Jon Postel I'm sure somebody who has been around longer than me can offer up a date ;) spt Fred Baker wrote: There's no place like ::1 On Aug 16, 2010, at 2:01 PM, Philip Nesser wrote: We obviously need an IETF branded one of these: http://www.cafepress.com/+theres_127001_infant_bodysuit,88172 ---> Phil On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:26 AM, IETF Administrative Director wrote: All; At the request of the community the IAOC and the IETF Trust have approved the establishment of an online store from which the community can buy IETF logo wear. The store is at CafePress at: http://www.cafepress.com/ietf The store is maintained by the Internet Society and is expected to generate a very modest income, which will be used to offset IETF operational expenses. Suggestions for products or designs may be directed to Steve Conte, co...@isoc.org. Shouldn't everyone in your family have an IETF logo wear t-shirt? Ray Pelletier IAD ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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or http://www.pdphoto.org/PictureDetail.php?mat=&pg=7634 On Aug 16, 2010, at 2:20 PM, Fred Baker wrote: > > There's no place like ::1 > > On Aug 16, 2010, at 2:01 PM, Philip Nesser wrote: > >> We obviously need an IETF branded one of these: >> http://www.cafepress.com/+theres_127001_infant_bodysuit,88172 >> >> >> ---> Phil >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:26 AM, IETF Administrative Director >> wrote: >> All; >> >> At the request of the community the IAOC and the IETF Trust have approved >> the establishment of an online store from which the community can buy IETF >> logo wear. >> >> The store is at CafePress at: http://www.cafepress.com/ietf >> >> The store is maintained by the Internet Society and is expected to >> generate a very modest income, which will be used to offset IETF >> operational expenses. >> >> Suggestions for products or designs may be directed to Steve Conte, >> co...@isoc.org. >> >> Shouldn't everyone in your family have an IETF logo wear t-shirt? >> >> Ray Pelletier >> IAD >> ___ >> Ietf mailing list >> Ietf@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf >> >> ___ >> Ietf mailing list >> Ietf@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > > ___ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: IETF Logo Wear
There's no place like ::1 On Aug 16, 2010, at 2:01 PM, Philip Nesser wrote: > We obviously need an IETF branded one of these: > http://www.cafepress.com/+theres_127001_infant_bodysuit,88172 > > > ---> Phil > > > On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:26 AM, IETF Administrative Director > wrote: > All; > > At the request of the community the IAOC and the IETF Trust have approved > the establishment of an online store from which the community can buy IETF > logo wear. > > The store is at CafePress at: http://www.cafepress.com/ietf > > The store is maintained by the Internet Society and is expected to > generate a very modest income, which will be used to offset IETF > operational expenses. > > Suggestions for products or designs may be directed to Steve Conte, > co...@isoc.org. > > Shouldn't everyone in your family have an IETF logo wear t-shirt? > > Ray Pelletier > IAD > ___ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > > ___ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: IETF Logo Wear
Or http://www.cafepress.com/+tcpip_infant_bodysuit,287721854 Alia On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Philip Nesser wrote: > We obviously need an IETF branded one of these: > http://www.cafepress.com/+theres_127001_infant_bodysuit,88172 > > > ---> Phil > > > On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:26 AM, IETF Administrative Director > wrote: >> >> All; >> >> At the request of the community the IAOC and the IETF Trust have approved >> the establishment of an online store from which the community can buy IETF >> logo wear. >> >> The store is at CafePress at: http://www.cafepress.com/ietf >> >> The store is maintained by the Internet Society and is expected to >> generate a very modest income, which will be used to offset IETF >> operational expenses. >> >> Suggestions for products or designs may be directed to Steve Conte, >> co...@isoc.org. >> >> Shouldn't everyone in your family have an IETF logo wear t-shirt? >> >> Ray Pelletier >> IAD >> ___ >> Ietf mailing list >> Ietf@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > > > ___ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > > ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: IETF Logo Wear
We obviously need an IETF branded one of these: http://www.cafepress.com/+theres_127001_infant_bodysuit,88172 ---> Phil On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:26 AM, IETF Administrative Director wrote: > All; > > At the request of the community the IAOC and the IETF Trust have approved > the establishment of an online store from which the community can buy IETF > logo wear. > > The store is at CafePress at: http://www.cafepress.com/ietf > > The store is maintained by the Internet Society and is expected to > generate a very modest income, which will be used to offset IETF > operational expenses. > > Suggestions for products or designs may be directed to Steve Conte, > co...@isoc.org. > > Shouldn't everyone in your family have an IETF logo wear t-shirt? > > Ray Pelletier > IAD > ___ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: IETF Logo Wear
Subject: IETF Logo Wear Date: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 08:26:53AM -0700 Quoting IETF Administrative Director (i...@ietf.org): > Shouldn't everyone in your family have an IETF logo wear t-shirt? Indeed they should. Where are the child sizes? /Father of three Internet users -- Måns Nilsson primary/secondary/besserwisser/machina MN-1334-RIPE +46 705 989668 JAPAN is a WONDERFUL planet -- I wonder if we'll ever reach their level of COMPARATIVE SHOPPING ... pgp7SPyIRid2S.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
IETF Logo Wear
All; At the request of the community the IAOC and the IETF Trust have approved the establishment of an online store from which the community can buy IETF logo wear. The store is at CafePress at: http://www.cafepress.com/ietf The store is maintained by the Internet Society and is expected to generate a very modest income, which will be used to offset IETF operational expenses. Suggestions for products or designs may be directed to Steve Conte, co...@isoc.org. Shouldn't everyone in your family have an IETF logo wear t-shirt? Ray Pelletier IAD ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
