Re: IETF Logo Wear

2010-08-20 Thread Dave CROCKER



The joke is: "I pee on everything."



It occurs to me that this aspect of our history -- and especially the 
confirmation of it demonstrated by the length of this thread -- probably 
explains much of our style for conducting business.


We really should not be at all surprised that participants are so often pissed 
off.

d/

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Re: IETF Logo Wear

2010-08-20 Thread Ted Ts'o
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 09:32:35AM -0700, Philip Nesser wrote:
> IIRC the phrase started out as "IP over Everthing" back in the days when
> there was still competing network protocols and we were writing standards
> for IP over Infiniband,  IP over IEEE ,  etc  since there were
> "competing" protocols  X.25 over blah,  IPX over blah, CNLP over blah,
> etc... and network adaptors were still fairly pricey.  At some point in the
> mid-90s the emphasis started to shift and we started thinking of almost
> anything being an "end point" and it became more "IP on Everything".

Of course, there's also "IP by carrier pigeon".

"IP on/over carrier pigeon" just doesn't sound right.  :-)

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Re: IETF Logo Wear

2010-08-19 Thread Jorge Amodio
> The joke is: "I pee on everything."

That's right and it was hilarious to see three-piece suit wearing Vint
show it up when we all were drinking beers outside the hotel at some
sort of party during Inet-SFO.

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Re: IETF Logo Wear

2010-08-19 Thread Philip Nesser
IIRC the phrase started out as "IP over Everthing" back in the days when
there was still competing network protocols and we were writing standards
for IP over Infiniband,  IP over IEEE ,  etc  since there were
"competing" protocols  X.25 over blah,  IPX over blah, CNLP over blah,
etc... and network adaptors were still fairly pricey.  At some point in the
mid-90s the emphasis started to shift and we started thinking of almost
anything being an "end point" and it became more "IP on Everything".

--->  Phil


On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Lixia Zhang  wrote:

>
> On Aug 18, 2010, at 8:28 AM, Ole Jacobsen wrote:
>
> > But his T-shirt says "IP *on* Everything" which makes it funnier.
> >
> >
> http://jboss-uat.crn.com/channel-encyclopedia/definition-print.htm?term=IP+on+Everything&printType=image
> >
> > Ole
>
> my english is not good, but doesn't "on" carry more significant meaning
> over "over"?
> over only means that ip pkts get carried over (so the everything here only
> means different carrier)
>
> with on, "everything" can have a much broader range, from your toaster to
> mars
>
>
> >
> > On Tue, 17 Aug 2010, John C Klensin wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> --On Monday, August 16, 2010 14:39 -0700 Dave CROCKER
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> On 8/16/2010 2:30 PM, Fred Baker wrote:
>  or http://www.pdphoto.org/PictureDetail.php?mat=&pg=7634
> >>>
> >>> Given that the pun is based on Vint's observing that we had IP
> >>> running "over" all sorts of different media, as I recall his
> >>> comment was "IP over Everything".
> >>
> >> Yes.  His comment and his tee-shirt.
> >>
> >>   john
> >>
> >>
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Re: IETF Logo Wear

2010-08-19 Thread Ole Jacobsen


On Thu, 19 Aug 2010, Lixia Zhang wrote:

> 
> On Aug 18, 2010, at 8:28 AM, Ole Jacobsen wrote:
> 
> > But his T-shirt says "IP *on* Everything" which makes it funnier.
> > 
> > http://jboss-uat.crn.com/channel-encyclopedia/definition-print.htm?term=IP+on+Everything&printType=image
> > 
> > Ole
> 
> my english is not good, but doesn't "on" carry more significant 
> meaning over "over"? over only means that ip pkts get carried over 
> (so the everything here only means different carrier)
> 
> with on, "everything" can have a much broader range, from your toaster to mars
> 

The joke is: "I pee on everything."

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Re: IETF Logo Wear

2010-08-19 Thread Lixia Zhang

On Aug 18, 2010, at 8:28 AM, Ole Jacobsen wrote:

> But his T-shirt says "IP *on* Everything" which makes it funnier.
> 
> http://jboss-uat.crn.com/channel-encyclopedia/definition-print.htm?term=IP+on+Everything&printType=image
> 
> Ole

my english is not good, but doesn't "on" carry more significant meaning over 
"over"?
over only means that ip pkts get carried over (so the everything here only 
means different carrier)

with on, "everything" can have a much broader range, from your toaster to mars


> 
> On Tue, 17 Aug 2010, John C Klensin wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> --On Monday, August 16, 2010 14:39 -0700 Dave CROCKER
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On 8/16/2010 2:30 PM, Fred Baker wrote:
 or http://www.pdphoto.org/PictureDetail.php?mat=&pg=7634
>>> 
>>> Given that the pun is based on Vint's observing that we had IP
>>> running "over" all sorts of different media, as I recall his
>>> comment was "IP over Everything".
>> 
>> Yes.  His comment and his tee-shirt.
>> 
>>   john
>> 
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Re: IETF Logo Wear

2010-08-18 Thread Jorge Amodio
>> or http://www.pdphoto.org/PictureDetail.php?mat=&pg=7634
>
> Given that the pun is based on Vint's observing that we had IP running
> "over" all sorts of different media, as I recall his comment was "IP over
> Everything".
>
> d/

I remember Vint wearing the T-shirt on the SFO Inet meeting, I think
it was 1993, and I believe is the same T-shirt when he was featured on
the cover of Boardwatch Mag.

The T-shirt clearly said "IP on Everything", but I agree that in the
context of those days it meant "over" everything, such as Ethernet,
P2P, TDM, OCx, FR, ATM, SMDS, X.25, you name it.

I like the Internet Staff with a variant,  "Internet Staff != ICANN employee"

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Re: IETF Logo Wear

2010-08-18 Thread Ole Jacobsen
But his T-shirt says "IP *on* Everything" which makes it funnier.

http://jboss-uat.crn.com/channel-encyclopedia/definition-print.htm?term=IP+on+Everything&printType=image

Ole

On Tue, 17 Aug 2010, John C Klensin wrote:

> 
> 
> --On Monday, August 16, 2010 14:39 -0700 Dave CROCKER
>  wrote:
> 
> > 
> > On 8/16/2010 2:30 PM, Fred Baker wrote:
> >> or http://www.pdphoto.org/PictureDetail.php?mat=&pg=7634
> > 
> > Given that the pun is based on Vint's observing that we had IP
> > running "over" all sorts of different media, as I recall his
> > comment was "IP over Everything".
> 
> Yes.  His comment and his tee-shirt.
> 
>john
> 
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Re: IETF Logo Wear

2010-08-18 Thread John C Klensin


--On Monday, August 16, 2010 14:39 -0700 Dave CROCKER
 wrote:

> 
> On 8/16/2010 2:30 PM, Fred Baker wrote:
>> or http://www.pdphoto.org/PictureDetail.php?mat=&pg=7634
> 
> Given that the pun is based on Vint's observing that we had IP
> running "over" all sorts of different media, as I recall his
> comment was "IP over Everything".

Yes.  His comment and his tee-shirt.

   john



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Re: IETF Logo Wear

2010-08-17 Thread Fred Baker
They were a gift. The fact that I was confused on the source tells you the 
attitude in which they were given, and the attitude the giver wanted the rest 
of us to adopt.

On Aug 17, 2010, at 11:36 AM, Ralph Droms wrote:

> My recollection is that they were a gift from Craig Partridge...
> 
> - Ralph
> 
> On Aug 17, 2010, at 2:23 PM 8/17/10, Patrik Fältström wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On 17 aug 2010, at 19.43, Fred Baker wrote:
>> 
>>> I actually really appreciated Marshall Rose's shirt from Danbury - 
>>> 
>>>   "Internet Staff"
>> 
>> +1
>> 
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Re: IETF Logo Wear

2010-08-17 Thread Ralph Droms
My recollection is that they were a gift from Craig Partridge...

- Ralph

On Aug 17, 2010, at 2:23 PM 8/17/10, Patrik Fältström wrote:

> 
> On 17 aug 2010, at 19.43, Fred Baker wrote:
> 
>> I actually really appreciated Marshall Rose's shirt from Danbury - 
>> 
>>"Internet Staff"
> 
> +1
> 
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Re: IETF Logo Wear

2010-08-17 Thread Patrik Fältström

On 17 aug 2010, at 19.43, Fred Baker wrote:

> I actually really appreciated Marshall Rose's shirt from Danbury - 
> 
> "Internet Staff"

+1

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Re: IETF Logo Wear

2010-08-17 Thread Fred Baker
I actually really appreciated Marshall Rose's shirt from Danbury - 

 "Internet Staff"

On Aug 17, 2010, at 10:29 AM, J.D. Falk wrote:

> On Aug 16, 2010, at 8:14 PM, Dave CROCKER wrote:
> 
>> how about just capturing the essence of the IETF with:
>> 
>> 
>>   There have been many contributors to this document
>>   both in terms of concepts and in terms of text.
>> 
>>   --Jon Postel
>> Editor
>> IEN 111
>> August 1979
> 
> "I'm a contributor"
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Re: IETF Logo Wear

2010-08-17 Thread J.D. Falk
On Aug 16, 2010, at 8:14 PM, Dave CROCKER wrote:

> how about just capturing the essence of the IETF with:
> 
> 
>There have been many contributors to this document
>both in terms of concepts and in terms of text.
> 
>--Jon Postel
>  Editor
>  IEN 111
>  August 1979

"I'm a contributor"

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Re: IETF Logo Wear

2010-08-17 Thread Philip Nesser
Perhaps we need a whole "Postel/Cerf Collection" (or perhaps a more general
"Titans of the IETF Collection") which could be modeled at the next
Plenary...

---Birkenstocks with "IP" and "TCP" on the bottoms of each sandal
---Varieties of Hats with the phrase "IP On Everything
---Umbrellas with "IP Over Everything"
---(For the well off)  Golden Crowns with the points bent downward inscribed
"This is the IETF,  We reject kings, presidents and voting. We believe in
rough consensus and running code"
---"Tuxedo T-shirts" with a name tag saying "Vint Cerf"
---etc

--->  Phil


On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Dave CROCKER  wrote:

>
>
>  On 17/08/2010, at 8:34 AM, Fred Baker wrote:
>>
>>> IEN 111, August 1979. The preface reads:
>>>
>>> This document describes the Internet Protocol.  There have been three
>>> previous editions of this specification, and the present text draws
>>> heavily from them.  There have been many contributors to this document
>>> both in terms of concepts and in terms of text.
>>>
>>>   Jon Postel
>>>   Editor
>>>
>>
>
> how about just capturing the essence of the IETF with:
>
>
>
>There have been many contributors to this document
>both in terms of concepts and in terms of text.
>
>--Jon Postel
>  Editor
>  IEN 111
>  August 1979
>
>
>
> d/
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Re: IETF Logo Wear

2010-08-17 Thread John Levine
>Given that the pun is based on Vint's observing that we had IP running "over" 
>all sorts of different media, as I recall his comment was "IP over Everything".

Please do NOT put that on a thong.

R's,
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Re: IETF Logo Wear

2010-08-17 Thread Dave CROCKER




On 17/08/2010, at 8:34 AM, Fred Baker wrote:

IEN 111, August 1979. The preface reads:

This document describes the Internet Protocol.  There have been three
previous editions of this specification, and the present text draws
heavily from them.  There have been many contributors to this document
both in terms of concepts and in terms of text.

   Jon Postel
   Editor



how about just capturing the essence of the IETF with:


There have been many contributors to this document
both in terms of concepts and in terms of text.

--Jon Postel
  Editor
  IEN 111
  August 1979


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Re: IETF Logo Wear

2010-08-17 Thread Dave CROCKER



On 8/16/2010 2:30 PM, Fred Baker wrote:

or http://www.pdphoto.org/PictureDetail.php?mat=&pg=7634


Given that the pun is based on Vint's observing that we had IP running "over" 
all sorts of different media, as I recall his comment was "IP over Everything".


d/

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Re: IETF Logo Wear

2010-08-16 Thread Jorge Amodio
An updated version based on the 6LoWPAN and other fronts work could be:

"IP on Anything"

Cheers
Jorge

On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Christian Huitema
 wrote:
> Classic:
>
> IP over everything
>
> (dog optional)
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mark 
> Nottingham
> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 8:05 PM
> To: Fred Baker
> Cc: wgcha...@ietf.org; ietf@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: IETF Logo Wear
>
> That's going to be hard to fit on a t-shirt, Fred.
>
> *ducks*
>
>
> On 17/08/2010, at 8:34 AM, Fred Baker wrote:
>
>> IEN 111, August 1979. The preface reads:
>>
>> This document describes the Internet Protocol.  There have been three
>> previous editions of this specification, and the present text draws
>> heavily from them.  There have been many contributors to this document
>> both in terms of concepts and in terms of text.
>>
>>                                                           Jon Postel
>>                                                           Editor
>>
>> I suspect that, as editor, he would blanch a bit at finding anything there 
>> attributed specifically to *him*; he would have said - and on occasion did 
>> say - "I was there", but would go on to point out that there were many 
>> contributors and many contributions. That said, it is the first instance I 
>> can find of the Robustness Principle:
>>
>>  The implementation of a protocol must be robust.  Each implementation
>> must expect to interoperate with others created by different
>> individuals.  While the goal of this specification is to be explicit
>> about the protocol there is the possibility of differing
>> interpretations.  In general, an implementation should be conservative
>> in its sending behavior, and liberal in its receiving behavior.  That
>> is, it should be careful to send well-formed datagrams, but should
>> accept any datagram that it can interpret (e.g., not object to
>> technical errors where the meaning is still clear).
>>
>> The comment, in various forms, is repeated in IENs 112, 123, 124, 128, and 
>> 129, and in RFCs 760, 761, 791, and 793.
>>
>>
>> On Aug 16, 2010, at 3:09 PM, Sean Turner wrote:
>>
>>> I like:
>>>
>>> "Be conservative in what you send and liberal in what you accept"
>>>    Jon Postel
>>>
>>> I'm sure somebody who has been around longer than me can offer up a
>>> date ;)
>>>
>>> spt
>>>
>>>
>>> Fred Baker wrote:
>>>>     There's no place like ::1
>>>> On Aug 16, 2010, at 2:01 PM, Philip Nesser wrote:
>>>>> We obviously need an IETF branded one of these:
>>>>> http://www.cafepress.com/+theres_127001_infant_bodysuit,88172
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --->  Phil
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:26 AM, IETF Administrative Director 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> All;
>>>>>
>>>>> At the request of the community the IAOC and the IETF Trust have
>>>>> approved the establishment of an online store from which the
>>>>> community can buy IETF logo wear.
>>>>>
>>>>> The store is at CafePress at:  http://www.cafepress.com/ietf
>>>>>
>>>>> The store is maintained by the Internet Society and is expected to
>>>>> generate a very modest income, which will be used to offset IETF
>>>>> operational expenses.
>>>>>
>>>>> Suggestions for products or designs may be directed to Steve Conte,
>>>>> co...@isoc.org.
>>>>>
>>>>> Shouldn't everyone in your family have an IETF logo wear t-shirt?
>>>>>
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RE: IETF Logo Wear

2010-08-16 Thread Christian Huitema
Classic:

IP over everything

(dog optional)

-Original Message-
From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mark 
Nottingham
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 8:05 PM
To: Fred Baker
Cc: wgcha...@ietf.org; ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: IETF Logo Wear

That's going to be hard to fit on a t-shirt, Fred.

*ducks*


On 17/08/2010, at 8:34 AM, Fred Baker wrote:

> IEN 111, August 1979. The preface reads:
> 
> This document describes the Internet Protocol.  There have been three 
> previous editions of this specification, and the present text draws 
> heavily from them.  There have been many contributors to this document 
> both in terms of concepts and in terms of text.
> 
>   Jon Postel
>   Editor
> 
> I suspect that, as editor, he would blanch a bit at finding anything there 
> attributed specifically to *him*; he would have said - and on occasion did 
> say - "I was there", but would go on to point out that there were many 
> contributors and many contributions. That said, it is the first instance I 
> can find of the Robustness Principle:
> 
>  The implementation of a protocol must be robust.  Each implementation  
> must expect to interoperate with others created by different  
> individuals.  While the goal of this specification is to be explicit  
> about the protocol there is the possibility of differing  
> interpretations.  In general, an implementation should be conservative  
> in its sending behavior, and liberal in its receiving behavior.  That  
> is, it should be careful to send well-formed datagrams, but should  
> accept any datagram that it can interpret (e.g., not object to  
> technical errors where the meaning is still clear).
> 
> The comment, in various forms, is repeated in IENs 112, 123, 124, 128, and 
> 129, and in RFCs 760, 761, 791, and 793.
> 
> 
> On Aug 16, 2010, at 3:09 PM, Sean Turner wrote:
> 
>> I like:
>> 
>> "Be conservative in what you send and liberal in what you accept"
>>Jon Postel
>> 
>> I'm sure somebody who has been around longer than me can offer up a 
>> date ;)
>> 
>> spt
>> 
>> 
>> Fred Baker wrote:
>>> There's no place like ::1
>>> On Aug 16, 2010, at 2:01 PM, Philip Nesser wrote:
>>>> We obviously need an IETF branded one of these:  
>>>> http://www.cafepress.com/+theres_127001_infant_bodysuit,88172
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --->  Phil
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:26 AM, IETF Administrative Director 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> All;
>>>> 
>>>> At the request of the community the IAOC and the IETF Trust have 
>>>> approved the establishment of an online store from which the 
>>>> community can buy IETF logo wear.
>>>> 
>>>> The store is at CafePress at:  http://www.cafepress.com/ietf
>>>> 
>>>> The store is maintained by the Internet Society and is expected to 
>>>> generate a very modest income, which will be used to offset IETF 
>>>> operational expenses.
>>>> 
>>>> Suggestions for products or designs may be directed to Steve Conte, 
>>>> co...@isoc.org.
>>>> 
>>>> Shouldn't everyone in your family have an IETF logo wear t-shirt?
>>>> 
>>>> Ray Pelletier
>>>> IAD
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Re: IETF Logo Wear

2010-08-16 Thread Mark Nottingham
That's going to be hard to fit on a t-shirt, Fred.

*ducks*


On 17/08/2010, at 8:34 AM, Fred Baker wrote:

> IEN 111, August 1979. The preface reads:
> 
> This document describes the Internet Protocol.  There have been three
> previous editions of this specification, and the present text draws
> heavily from them.  There have been many contributors to this document
> both in terms of concepts and in terms of text.
> 
>   Jon Postel
>   Editor
> 
> I suspect that, as editor, he would blanch a bit at finding anything there 
> attributed specifically to *him*; he would have said - and on occasion did 
> say - "I was there", but would go on to point out that there were many 
> contributors and many contributions. That said, it is the first instance I 
> can find of the Robustness Principle:
> 
>  The implementation of a protocol must be robust.  Each implementation
>  must expect to interoperate with others created by different
>  individuals.  While the goal of this specification is to be explicit
>  about the protocol there is the possibility of differing
>  interpretations.  In general, an implementation should be conservative
>  in its sending behavior, and liberal in its receiving behavior.  That
>  is, it should be careful to send well-formed datagrams, but should
>  accept any datagram that it can interpret (e.g., not object to
>  technical errors where the meaning is still clear).
> 
> The comment, in various forms, is repeated in IENs 112, 123, 124, 128, and 
> 129, and in RFCs 760, 761, 791, and 793.
> 
> 
> On Aug 16, 2010, at 3:09 PM, Sean Turner wrote:
> 
>> I like:
>> 
>> "Be conservative in what you send and liberal in what you accept"
>>Jon Postel
>> 
>> I'm sure somebody who has been around longer than me can offer up a date ;)
>> 
>> spt
>> 
>> 
>> Fred Baker wrote:
>>> There's no place like ::1
>>> On Aug 16, 2010, at 2:01 PM, Philip Nesser wrote:
>>>> We obviously need an IETF branded one of these:  
>>>> http://www.cafepress.com/+theres_127001_infant_bodysuit,88172
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --->  Phil
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:26 AM, IETF Administrative Director 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> All;
>>>> 
>>>> At the request of the community the IAOC and the IETF Trust have approved
>>>> the establishment of an online store from which the community can buy IETF
>>>> logo wear.
>>>> 
>>>> The store is at CafePress at:  http://www.cafepress.com/ietf
>>>> 
>>>> The store is maintained by the Internet Society and is expected to
>>>> generate a very modest income, which will be used to offset IETF
>>>> operational expenses.
>>>> 
>>>> Suggestions for products or designs may be directed to Steve Conte,
>>>> co...@isoc.org.
>>>> 
>>>> Shouldn't everyone in your family have an IETF logo wear t-shirt?
>>>> 
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Re: IETF Logo Wear

2010-08-16 Thread Fred Baker
IEN 111, August 1979. The preface reads:

This document describes the Internet Protocol.  There have been three
previous editions of this specification, and the present text draws
heavily from them.  There have been many contributors to this document
both in terms of concepts and in terms of text.

   Jon Postel
   Editor

I suspect that, as editor, he would blanch a bit at finding anything there 
attributed specifically to *him*; he would have said - and on occasion did say 
- "I was there", but would go on to point out that there were many contributors 
and many contributions. That said, it is the first instance I can find of the 
Robustness Principle:

  The implementation of a protocol must be robust.  Each implementation
  must expect to interoperate with others created by different
  individuals.  While the goal of this specification is to be explicit
  about the protocol there is the possibility of differing
  interpretations.  In general, an implementation should be conservative
  in its sending behavior, and liberal in its receiving behavior.  That
  is, it should be careful to send well-formed datagrams, but should
  accept any datagram that it can interpret (e.g., not object to
  technical errors where the meaning is still clear).

The comment, in various forms, is repeated in IENs 112, 123, 124, 128, and 129, 
and in RFCs 760, 761, 791, and 793.


On Aug 16, 2010, at 3:09 PM, Sean Turner wrote:

> I like:
> 
> "Be conservative in what you send and liberal in what you accept"
> Jon Postel
> 
> I'm sure somebody who has been around longer than me can offer up a date ;)
> 
> spt
> 
> 
> Fred Baker wrote:
>>  There's no place like ::1
>> On Aug 16, 2010, at 2:01 PM, Philip Nesser wrote:
>>> We obviously need an IETF branded one of these:  
>>> http://www.cafepress.com/+theres_127001_infant_bodysuit,88172
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --->  Phil
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:26 AM, IETF Administrative Director 
>>>  wrote:
>>> All;
>>> 
>>> At the request of the community the IAOC and the IETF Trust have approved
>>> the establishment of an online store from which the community can buy IETF
>>> logo wear.
>>> 
>>> The store is at CafePress at:  http://www.cafepress.com/ietf
>>> 
>>> The store is maintained by the Internet Society and is expected to
>>> generate a very modest income, which will be used to offset IETF
>>> operational expenses.
>>> 
>>> Suggestions for products or designs may be directed to Steve Conte,
>>> co...@isoc.org.
>>> 
>>> Shouldn't everyone in your family have an IETF logo wear t-shirt?
>>> 
>>> Ray Pelletier
>>> IAD
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Re: IETF Logo Wear

2010-08-16 Thread Sean Turner

I like:

"Be conservative in what you send and liberal in what you accept"
 Jon Postel

I'm sure somebody who has been around longer than me can offer up a 
date ;)


spt


Fred Baker wrote:

There's no place like ::1

On Aug 16, 2010, at 2:01 PM, Philip Nesser wrote:


We obviously need an IETF branded one of these:  
http://www.cafepress.com/+theres_127001_infant_bodysuit,88172


--->  Phil


On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:26 AM, IETF Administrative Director  
wrote:
All;

At the request of the community the IAOC and the IETF Trust have approved
the establishment of an online store from which the community can buy IETF
logo wear.

The store is at CafePress at:  http://www.cafepress.com/ietf

The store is maintained by the Internet Society and is expected to
generate a very modest income, which will be used to offset IETF
operational expenses.

Suggestions for products or designs may be directed to Steve Conte,
co...@isoc.org.

Shouldn't everyone in your family have an IETF logo wear t-shirt?

Ray Pelletier
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Re: IETF Logo Wear

2010-08-16 Thread Fred Baker
or http://www.pdphoto.org/PictureDetail.php?mat=&pg=7634

On Aug 16, 2010, at 2:20 PM, Fred Baker wrote:

> 
>   There's no place like ::1
> 
> On Aug 16, 2010, at 2:01 PM, Philip Nesser wrote:
> 
>> We obviously need an IETF branded one of these:  
>> http://www.cafepress.com/+theres_127001_infant_bodysuit,88172
>> 
>> 
>> --->  Phil
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:26 AM, IETF Administrative Director 
>>  wrote:
>> All;
>> 
>> At the request of the community the IAOC and the IETF Trust have approved
>> the establishment of an online store from which the community can buy IETF
>> logo wear.
>> 
>> The store is at CafePress at:  http://www.cafepress.com/ietf
>> 
>> The store is maintained by the Internet Society and is expected to
>> generate a very modest income, which will be used to offset IETF
>> operational expenses.
>> 
>> Suggestions for products or designs may be directed to Steve Conte,
>> co...@isoc.org.
>> 
>> Shouldn't everyone in your family have an IETF logo wear t-shirt?
>> 
>> Ray Pelletier
>> IAD
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Re: IETF Logo Wear

2010-08-16 Thread Fred Baker
There's no place like ::1

On Aug 16, 2010, at 2:01 PM, Philip Nesser wrote:

> We obviously need an IETF branded one of these:  
> http://www.cafepress.com/+theres_127001_infant_bodysuit,88172
> 
> 
> --->  Phil
> 
> 
> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:26 AM, IETF Administrative Director  
> wrote:
> All;
> 
> At the request of the community the IAOC and the IETF Trust have approved
> the establishment of an online store from which the community can buy IETF
> logo wear.
> 
> The store is at CafePress at:  http://www.cafepress.com/ietf
> 
> The store is maintained by the Internet Society and is expected to
> generate a very modest income, which will be used to offset IETF
> operational expenses.
> 
> Suggestions for products or designs may be directed to Steve Conte,
> co...@isoc.org.
> 
> Shouldn't everyone in your family have an IETF logo wear t-shirt?
> 
> Ray Pelletier
> IAD
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Re: IETF Logo Wear

2010-08-16 Thread Alia Atlas
Or http://www.cafepress.com/+tcpip_infant_bodysuit,287721854

Alia

On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Philip Nesser  wrote:
> We obviously need an IETF branded one of these:
> http://www.cafepress.com/+theres_127001_infant_bodysuit,88172
>
>
> --->  Phil
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:26 AM, IETF Administrative Director 
> wrote:
>>
>> All;
>>
>> At the request of the community the IAOC and the IETF Trust have approved
>> the establishment of an online store from which the community can buy IETF
>> logo wear.
>>
>> The store is at CafePress at:  http://www.cafepress.com/ietf
>>
>> The store is maintained by the Internet Society and is expected to
>> generate a very modest income, which will be used to offset IETF
>> operational expenses.
>>
>> Suggestions for products or designs may be directed to Steve Conte,
>> co...@isoc.org.
>>
>> Shouldn't everyone in your family have an IETF logo wear t-shirt?
>>
>> Ray Pelletier
>> IAD
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Re: IETF Logo Wear

2010-08-16 Thread Philip Nesser
We obviously need an IETF branded one of these:
http://www.cafepress.com/+theres_127001_infant_bodysuit,88172


--->  Phil


On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:26 AM, IETF Administrative Director
wrote:

> All;
>
> At the request of the community the IAOC and the IETF Trust have approved
> the establishment of an online store from which the community can buy IETF
> logo wear.
>
> The store is at CafePress at:  http://www.cafepress.com/ietf
>
> The store is maintained by the Internet Society and is expected to
> generate a very modest income, which will be used to offset IETF
> operational expenses.
>
> Suggestions for products or designs may be directed to Steve Conte,
> co...@isoc.org.
>
> Shouldn't everyone in your family have an IETF logo wear t-shirt?
>
> Ray Pelletier
> IAD
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Re: IETF Logo Wear

2010-08-16 Thread Mans Nilsson
Subject: IETF Logo Wear Date: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 08:26:53AM -0700 Quoting 
IETF Administrative Director (i...@ietf.org):

> Shouldn't everyone in your family have an IETF logo wear t-shirt?

Indeed they should. Where are the child sizes? 

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IETF Logo Wear

2010-08-16 Thread IETF Administrative Director
All;

At the request of the community the IAOC and the IETF Trust have approved
the establishment of an online store from which the community can buy IETF
logo wear.

The store is at CafePress at:  http://www.cafepress.com/ietf

The store is maintained by the Internet Society and is expected to
generate a very modest income, which will be used to offset IETF
operational expenses.

Suggestions for products or designs may be directed to Steve Conte,
co...@isoc.org.

Shouldn't everyone in your family have an IETF logo wear t-shirt?

Ray Pelletier
IAD
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