Re: More member-only anti-spam
Lloyd, My explanation was probably a bit too short but it is not only members who can send mails to the udlr mailing list but also non members as long as they reply to a confirmation message. Spamers don't reply to confirmation messages, furtunately. When I was at INRIA, I was administrating the UDLR mailing list, adding and deleting emails manually from the list of members (it was taking me more and more time...). Meanwhile, we started to receive spams like "how to be a millionaire", "how to get a degree in computing" as well as pointers to X sites... Members were strongly complaining about these mails asking me to do something efficient enough to stop this. As a result, INRIA put in place a mechanism to add/delete members automaticaly to/from the UDLR mailing list. It was also supposed to stop spaming, and I believe it still works pretty well. Today, when a non-member sends a mail to the mailing list, a confirmation message is sent back to him. If the non-member replies to it, the original mail is forwarded to the mailing list. Generally, if the non-member is a spamer, he will never reply to the confirmation. I believe that non-members can still send mails to the UDLR mailing list, it just takes one extra-step. Would this cost be too high for an antispam measure ? Anyway, if there is a standard way to administrate a mailing list, I will be very glad to hear about it and see what I can do with INRIA. Regards, Emmanuel -- Lloyd Wood wrote: On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Emmanuel Duros wrote on udlr: I am forwarding this mails to the udlr mailing list. There has been for several months an anti-spam mechanism at INRIA. It basicaly prevents unsubscribed people from sending mails to the mailing list. Unfortunately, [EMAIL PROTECTED] is one of them... [..] quite important forwarded mail of 10 Feb, indicating udlr draft moving to proposed standard, snipped. You just can't do members-only on IETF WG lists. See recent discussion on poisson. I'd suggest moving the list elsewhere... Antispam measures interfere with the normal business of the IETF, to its detriment. L. [EMAIL PROTECTED]PGPhttp://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/L.Wood/ -- UDcast, Sophia Antipolis France Tel : +33 (0)4 93 00 16 60 - Mob : +33 (0)6 14 21 56 06 Fax : +33 (0)4 93 00 16 61 UDcast: Where IP and UniDirectional links meet http://www.UDcast.com
Re: More member-only anti-spam
At 07:44 13/02/01, Lloyd Wood wrote: You just can't do members-only on IETF WG lists. See recent discussion on poisson. I'd suggest moving the list elsewhere... I'm not sure what "members-only" means in your usage. Self-moderated[1] lists have been permitted for some years in IETF business, provided that non-subscriber email goes to some human who then posts the on-topic email. The IESG have put authoritative information online at: http://www.ietf.org/IESG/STATEMENTS/moderated-lists.txt, which folks ought to at least review prior to commenting further. Ran [EMAIL PROTECTED] speaking only for myself [1] A self-moderated list is one that accepts postings from a source email address that is subscribed to the list but declines to accept postings from source email address that is not on the list. Most usually, postings from a source email address that is not subscribed to the list would go to a human list administrator.
Re: More member-only anti-spam
Speaking as co-Chair of POISSON, before we go too far down this discussion right now, POISSON will be taking up the topic of requirements for IETF mailing lists with the goal of producing a suitable document (or two or three or whatever). Please be patient for a short while longer and watch for the announcement on "[EMAIL PROTECTED]". If you're interested in this topic I would suggest you subscribe to that mailing list now, by sending a message with the single word "subscribe" in the body to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]". Thanks, Jim On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Lloyd Wood wrote: Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:44:56 + (GMT) From: Lloyd Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: More member-only anti-spam On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Emmanuel Duros wrote on udlr: I am forwarding this mails to the udlr mailing list. There has been for several months an anti-spam mechanism at INRIA. It basicaly prevents unsubscribed people from sending mails to the mailing list. Unfortunately, [EMAIL PROTECTED] is one of them... [..] quite important forwarded mail of 10 Feb, indicating udlr draft moving to proposed standard, snipped. You just can't do members-only on IETF WG lists. See recent discussion on poisson. I'd suggest moving the list elsewhere... Antispam measures interfere with the normal business of the IETF, to its detriment. L. [EMAIL PROTECTED]PGPhttp://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/L.Wood/
