Re: NIST documents
Dearlove, Christopher (UK) wrote: One draft I'm working on [...] (Of course I haven't been able to check the copyright on [NIST documents ...) As a author of IT-related documents, you should be aware that, by its constitution plus long lasting tradition, the US government works of authorship have no copyright claims on them. The principle being that we, the people paid for a civil servant to make a write-up, nobody can claim intellectual property. Maybe the openness of the Internet owes a lot to this tradition. So, NIST documents can be used as if in the public domain. Bizarrely, the RSA and early public key crypto patents were filed precisely because US government funding was involved, but that's part of a longer story. Regards, -- - Thierry Moreau CONNOTECH Experts-conseils inc. 9130 Place de Montgolfier Montreal, QC, Canada H2M 2A1 Tel. +1-514-385-5691
Re: NIST documents
In reference to Maybe the openness of the Internet owes a lot to this tradition. let me offer a comment regarding the RFCs. There might be a general connection, but there wasn't an explicit connection. The decision that RFCs would be freely available and without restriction regarding use came primarily from me. I was part of the team at UCLA, which together with our counterparts at SRI, UCSB and Utah developed the initial set of ideas about the Arpanet protocols. When we started to write down our ideas, we wanted to remove all barriers for publication and use. A participant from one of the institutions involved in the next round of connections, i.e., not one of the first four, expressed concern that his institution would require pre-publication review and approval, so we declared RFCs not to be publications. There was no directive from DARPA or anyone else in the government nor was there even discussion about this policy. It was a pragmatic decision aimed at facilitating maximum communication with minimum overhead and minimum delay. We implicitly assumed there would be formal processes for the real documents later, and, of course, the RFCs were just a temporary expedient intended to last just a few months… I suppose if the course we set had been antithetical to the U.S. Government's wishes, we might have gotten some guidance to do something different, but I don't recall the subject ever coming up. We not only wanted the rules to be as unrestrictive as possible, we also wanted to spend as little time as possible discussing the rules. Steve On Oct 4, 2013, at 8:35 AM, Thierry Moreau thierry.mor...@connotech.com wrote: Dearlove, Christopher (UK) wrote: One draft I'm working on [...] (Of course I haven't been able to check the copyright on [NIST documents ...) As a author of IT-related documents, you should be aware that, by its constitution plus long lasting tradition, the US government works of authorship have no copyright claims on them. The principle being that we, the people paid for a civil servant to make a write-up, nobody can claim intellectual property. Maybe the openness of the Internet owes a lot to this tradition. So, NIST documents can be used as if in the public domain. Bizarrely, the RSA and early public key crypto patents were filed precisely because US government funding was involved, but that's part of a longer story. Regards, -- - Thierry Moreau CONNOTECH Experts-conseils inc. 9130 Place de Montgolfier Montreal, QC, Canada H2M 2A1 Tel. +1-514-385-5691
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-- Sent from a hand held device. On 04.10.2013, at 16:43, Steve Crocker st...@shinkuro.com wrote: ... We not only wanted the rules to be as unrestrictive as possible, we also wanted to spend as little time as possible discussing the rules. ... and by doing so you (plural) made a very significant difference in our little Internet corner of the great scheme of things. I empathise withe the siprit you evoke. I am grateful for what you (plural) did and I hope we did half as well in the little corner across the pond. Take care ( both proverbially and literally: ICANN eats people) Daniel
Re: NIST documents
except see for example http://www.cendi.gov/publications/04-8copyright.html#317 3.1.7 Does the Government have copyright protection in U.S. Government works in other countries? Yes, the copyright exclusion for works of the U.S. Government is not intended to have any impact on protection of these works abroad (S. REP. NO. 473, 94th Cong., 2d Sess. 56 (1976)). Therefore, the U.S. Government may obtain protection in other countries depending on the treatment of government works by the national copyright law of the particular country. Copyright is sometimes asserted by U.S. Government agencies outside the United States. best to be careful George T. Willingmyre, P.E. President GTW Associates -Original Message- From: Thierry Moreau Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 8:35 AM To: Dearlove, Christopher (UK) Cc: ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: NIST documents Dearlove, Christopher (UK) wrote: One draft I'm working on [...] (Of course I haven't been able to check the copyright on [NIST documents ...) As a author of IT-related documents, you should be aware that, by its constitution plus long lasting tradition, the US government works of authorship have no copyright claims on them. The principle being that we, the people paid for a civil servant to make a write-up, nobody can claim intellectual property. Maybe the openness of the Internet owes a lot to this tradition. So, NIST documents can be used as if in the public domain. Bizarrely, the RSA and early public key crypto patents were filed precisely because US government funding was involved, but that's part of a longer story. Regards, -- - Thierry Moreau CONNOTECH Experts-conseils inc. 9130 Place de Montgolfier Montreal, QC, Canada H2M 2A1 Tel. +1-514-385-5691
NIST documents
One draft I'm working on references some standard NIST cryptographic documents. (RFCs don't include everything we need.) I need to check some details therein. Unfortunately the current US government shutdown has taken NIST's website, including those documents, offline. And (not considering this possibility) I didn't download copies of them. Any link to where copies of such documents are kept would be useful. (Of course I haven't been able to check the copyright on them to know if that's legal, so there may be no appropriate site.) Otherwise, consider the above an observation. -- Christopher Dearlove Senior Principal Engineer, Communications Group Communications, Networks and Image Analysis Capability BAE Systems Advanced Technology Centre West Hanningfield Road, Great Baddow, Chelmsford, CM2 8HN, UK Tel: +44 1245 242194 | Fax: +44 1245 242124 chris.dearl...@baesystems.com | http://www.baesystems.com BAE Systems (Operations) Limited Registered Office: Warwick House, PO Box 87, Farnborough Aerospace Centre, Farnborough, Hants, GU14 6YU, UK Registered in England Wales No: 1996687 This email and any attachments are confidential to the intended recipient and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it from your system and notify the sender. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose or distribute its contents to any other person.
Re: NIST documents
Try Wayback, http://archive.org - Ralph On Oct 3, 2013, at 7:02 AM 10/3/13, Dearlove, Christopher (UK) chris.dearl...@baesystems.com wrote: One draft I'm working on references some standard NIST cryptographic documents. (RFCs don't include everything we need.) I need to check some details therein. Unfortunately the current US government shutdown has taken NIST's website, including those documents, offline. And (not considering this possibility) I didn't download copies of them. Any link to where copies of such documents are kept would be useful. (Of course I haven't been able to check the copyright on them to know if that's legal, so there may be no appropriate site.) Otherwise, consider the above an observation. -- Christopher Dearlove Senior Principal Engineer, Communications Group Communications, Networks and Image Analysis Capability BAE Systems Advanced Technology Centre West Hanningfield Road, Great Baddow, Chelmsford, CM2 8HN, UK Tel: +44 1245 242194 | Fax: +44 1245 242124 chris.dearl...@baesystems.com | http://www.baesystems.com BAE Systems (Operations) Limited Registered Office: Warwick House, PO Box 87, Farnborough Aerospace Centre, Farnborough, Hants, GU14 6YU, UK Registered in England Wales No: 1996687 This email and any attachments are confidential to the intended recipient and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it from your system and notify the sender. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose or distribute its contents to any other person.
RE: NIST documents
Good call, thanks Ralph. Should it be useful to anyone else, the relevant link for what I was after is http://web.archive.org/web/20130907062401/http://csrc.nist.gov/publications/PubsFIPS.html (The first link I've tried works.) -- Christopher Dearlove Senior Principal Engineer, Communications Group Communications, Networks and Image Analysis Capability BAE Systems Advanced Technology Centre West Hanningfield Road, Great Baddow, Chelmsford, CM2 8HN, UK Tel: +44 1245 242194 | Fax: +44 1245 242124 chris.dearl...@baesystems.com | http://www.baesystems.com BAE Systems (Operations) Limited Registered Office: Warwick House, PO Box 87, Farnborough Aerospace Centre, Farnborough, Hants, GU14 6YU, UK Registered in England Wales No: 1996687 -Original Message- From: Ralph Droms [mailto:rdroms.i...@gmail.com] Sent: 03 October 2013 12:11 To: Dearlove, Christopher (UK) Cc: ietf@ietf.org list Subject: Re: NIST documents --! WARNING ! -- This message originates from outside our organisation, either from an external partner or from the internet. Keep this in mind if you answer this message. Follow the 'Report Suspicious Emails' link on IT matters for instructions on reporting suspicious email messages. Try Wayback, http://archive.org - Ralph On Oct 3, 2013, at 7:02 AM 10/3/13, Dearlove, Christopher (UK) chris.dearl...@baesystems.com wrote: One draft I'm working on references some standard NIST cryptographic documents. (RFCs don't include everything we need.) I need to check some details therein. Unfortunately the current US government shutdown has taken NIST's website, including those documents, offline. And (not considering this possibility) I didn't download copies of them. Any link to where copies of such documents are kept would be useful. (Of course I haven't been able to check the copyright on them to know if that's legal, so there may be no appropriate site.) Otherwise, consider the above an observation. -- Christopher Dearlove Senior Principal Engineer, Communications Group Communications, Networks and Image Analysis Capability BAE Systems Advanced Technology Centre West Hanningfield Road, Great Baddow, Chelmsford, CM2 8HN, UK Tel: +44 1245 242194 | Fax: +44 1245 242124 chris.dearl...@baesystems.com | http://www.baesystems.com BAE Systems (Operations) Limited Registered Office: Warwick House, PO Box 87, Farnborough Aerospace Centre, Farnborough, Hants, GU14 6YU, UK Registered in England Wales No: 1996687 This email and any attachments are confidential to the intended recipient and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it from your system and notify the sender. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose or distribute its contents to any other person.
