Re: RFC and I-D Citation Tool
Hi, On 2012-08-01 01:17 Ole Jacobsen said: One feature request that I discussed with Henrik was to either auto-detect I-D file names and handle them slightly differently from RFC numbers (by putting the file name as the final entry) OR just having two tools. With the kind of feedback Henrik is getting I am sure the tool will be improved/enhanced over time. I've now set up the tool to use different templates, depending on whether the document is an RFC or a draft (actually, it's decided on whether or not I find an RFC number in the metadata I have for a document). Let me know if this works for you, or if further tweaks are needed to provide what is desired. Best regards, Henrik signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: RFC and I-D Citation Tool
Hi, one suggestion: I-Ds must be cited as Work in Progress only. From the boilerplate text: Internet-Drafts are draft documents valid for a maximum of six months and may be updated, replaced, or obsoleted by other documents at any time. It is inappropriate to use Internet-Drafts as reference ^^^ material or to cite them other than as work in progress. ^^ I typically do it like this. Instead of: Alia Atlas, Cisco Systems, Dave Ward, Juniper Networks, and Thomas Nadeau, Interface to the Routing System Framework, July 2012, draft-ward-irs-framework-00. I use: Alia Atlas, Cisco Systems, Dave Ward, Juniper Networks, and Thomas Nadeau, Interface to the Routing System Framework, Internet-Draft draft-ward-irs-framework-00, Work in Progress, July 2012. Lars smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: RFC and I-D Citation Tool
- Original Message - From: Noel Chiappa j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu To: ietf@ietf.org Cc: r...@iab.org; j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu; r...@rfc-editor.org Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:47 PM From: Ole Jacobsen o...@cisco.com using the American quotation outside punctuation rule. Ugh. There may be uglier typographic conventions, but off the top of my head, I can't come up with one. Ugh indeed, but I find the space before every comma rule even uggier. Tom Petch Noel
RFC and I-D Citation Tool
In The Internet Protocol Journal I have been using the following citation format, best illustrated by an example: Julien Meuric, Diego Caviglia, Don Fedyk, Attila Takacs, and Lou Berger, GMPLS Asymmetric Bandwidth Bidirectional Label Switched Paths (LSPs), RFC 6387, September 2011. So, that's full author names and before the last author name, title, document number and date, using the American quotation outside punctuation rule. I got tired of doing this by hand so I asked Henrik if he could write me a tool. He did (THANKS!), and the result is here: http://tools.ietf.org/tools/citation/ This will take either the draft name or the RFC number as input and produce a citation similar to the one above. You can of course play with the elements and generate a format that suits your own taste, for example, for I-Ds, in print it might be good to have the FILE NAME as the last entry: Adam Langley, Serializing DNS Records with DNSSEC Authentication, Internet Draft, work in progress, July 2011, draft-agl-dane-serializechain-01 ...since I like having filenames or URLs on one line (not wrapping) as much as possible. Many thanks again to Henrik, and I hope you will find it useful too! Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: o...@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj Skype: organdemo
Re: RFC and I-D Citation Tool
cool!!! I will also be using this! thanks! Marc. Le 2012-07-31 à 11:16, Ole Jacobsen a écrit : In The Internet Protocol Journal I have been using the following citation format, best illustrated by an example: Julien Meuric, Diego Caviglia, Don Fedyk, Attila Takacs, and Lou Berger, GMPLS Asymmetric Bandwidth Bidirectional Label Switched Paths (LSPs), RFC 6387, September 2011. So, that's full author names and before the last author name, title, document number and date, using the American quotation outside punctuation rule. I got tired of doing this by hand so I asked Henrik if he could write me a tool. He did (THANKS!), and the result is here: http://tools.ietf.org/tools/citation/ This will take either the draft name or the RFC number as input and produce a citation similar to the one above. You can of course play with the elements and generate a format that suits your own taste, for example, for I-Ds, in print it might be good to have the FILE NAME as the last entry: Adam Langley, Serializing DNS Records with DNSSEC Authentication, Internet Draft, work in progress, July 2011, draft-agl-dane-serializechain-01 ...since I like having filenames or URLs on one line (not wrapping) as much as possible. Many thanks again to Henrik, and I hope you will find it useful too! Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: o...@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj Skype: organdemo
Re: RFC and I-D Citation Tool
And for those of us who write academic papers, there is of course Roland's and Miguel's BibTex collections: http://tm.uka.de/~bless/bibrfcindex.html https://sites.google.com/site/ea1dof/bibtex Lars On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:16, Ole Jacobsen o...@cisco.com wrote: In The Internet Protocol Journal I have been using the following citation format, best illustrated by an example: Julien Meuric, Diego Caviglia, Don Fedyk, Attila Takacs, and Lou Berger, GMPLS Asymmetric Bandwidth Bidirectional Label Switched Paths (LSPs), RFC 6387, September 2011. So, that's full author names and before the last author name, title, document number and date, using the American quotation outside punctuation rule. I got tired of doing this by hand so I asked Henrik if he could write me a tool. He did (THANKS!), and the result is here: http://tools.ietf.org/tools/citation/ This will take either the draft name or the RFC number as input and produce a citation similar to the one above. You can of course play with the elements and generate a format that suits your own taste, for example, for I-Ds, in print it might be good to have the FILE NAME as the last entry: Adam Langley, Serializing DNS Records with DNSSEC Authentication, Internet Draft, work in progress, July 2011, draft-agl-dane-serializechain-01 ...since I like having filenames or URLs on one line (not wrapping) as much as possible. Many thanks again to Henrik, and I hope you will find it useful too! Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: o...@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj Skype: organdemo smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
RE: RFC and I-D Citation Tool
Nice tool. However, I am wondering why the tool changes the order of the names. There is actually a reason why documents list names in a specific order. Some of the citations appear to be incomplete, see RFC3410. Cheers, Mehmet -Original Message- From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext Ole Jacobsen Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 11:17 AM To: The IETF Cc: RSOC; Heather Flanagan; r...@rfc-editor.org Subject: RFC and I-D Citation Tool In The Internet Protocol Journal I have been using the following citation format, best illustrated by an example: Julien Meuric, Diego Caviglia, Don Fedyk, Attila Takacs, and Lou Berger, GMPLS Asymmetric Bandwidth Bidirectional Label Switched Paths (LSPs), RFC 6387, September 2011. So, that's full author names and before the last author name, title, document number and date, using the American quotation outside punctuation rule. I got tired of doing this by hand so I asked Henrik if he could write me a tool. He did (THANKS!), and the result is here: http://tools.ietf.org/tools/citation/ This will take either the draft name or the RFC number as input and produce a citation similar to the one above. You can of course play with the elements and generate a format that suits your own taste, for example, for I-Ds, in print it might be good to have the FILE NAME as the last entry: Adam Langley, Serializing DNS Records with DNSSEC Authentication, Internet Draft, work in progress, July 2011, draft-agl-dane-serializechain-01 ...since I like having filenames or URLs on one line (not wrapping) as much as possible. Many thanks again to Henrik, and I hope you will find it useful too! Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: o...@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj Skype: organdemo
RE: RFC and I-D Citation Tool
Mehmet, The tool is not INTENDED to change the author order. A somewhat incomplete database can indeed lead to unexpected results, use with caution. Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: o...@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj Skype: organdemo On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich) wrote: Nice tool. However, I am wondering why the tool changes the order of the names. There is actually a reason why documents list names in a specific order. Some of the citations appear to be incomplete, see RFC3410. Cheers, Mehmet -Original Message- From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext Ole Jacobsen Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 11:17 AM To: The IETF Cc: RSOC; Heather Flanagan; r...@rfc-editor.org Subject: RFC and I-D Citation Tool In The Internet Protocol Journal I have been using the following citation format, best illustrated by an example: Julien Meuric, Diego Caviglia, Don Fedyk, Attila Takacs, and Lou Berger, GMPLS Asymmetric Bandwidth Bidirectional Label Switched Paths (LSPs), RFC 6387, September 2011. So, that's full author names and before the last author name, title, document number and date, using the American quotation outside punctuation rule. I got tired of doing this by hand so I asked Henrik if he could write me a tool. He did (THANKS!), and the result is here: http://tools.ietf.org/tools/citation/ This will take either the draft name or the RFC number as input and produce a citation similar to the one above. You can of course play with the elements and generate a format that suits your own taste, for example, for I-Ds, in print it might be good to have the FILE NAME as the last entry: Adam Langley, Serializing DNS Records with DNSSEC Authentication, Internet Draft, work in progress, July 2011, draft-agl-dane-serializechain-01 ...since I like having filenames or URLs on one line (not wrapping) as much as possible. Many thanks again to Henrik, and I hope you will find it useful too! Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: o...@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj Skype: organdemo
Re: RFC and I-D Citation Tool
There are a number of very weird entries that require special handling. I (also) wrote a Python script to convert the XML file to bibtex and had to deal with a number of these special cases. For example, RFC 4534 lists the authors as A Colegrove, H Harney instead of A. Colegrove, H. Harney. Other names like The Internet Society require special handling. And I completely punted on proper capitalization of the titles; I just accept what's there. On Jul 31, 2012, at 2:23 PM, Ole Jacobsen wrote: Mehmet, The tool is not INTENDED to change the author order. A somewhat incomplete database can indeed lead to unexpected results, use with caution. Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: o...@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj Skype: organdemo On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich) wrote: Nice tool. However, I am wondering why the tool changes the order of the names. There is actually a reason why documents list names in a specific order. Some of the citations appear to be incomplete, see RFC3410. Cheers, Mehmet -Original Message- From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext Ole Jacobsen Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 11:17 AM To: The IETF Cc: RSOC; Heather Flanagan; r...@rfc-editor.org Subject: RFC and I-D Citation Tool In The Internet Protocol Journal I have been using the following citation format, best illustrated by an example: Julien Meuric, Diego Caviglia, Don Fedyk, Attila Takacs, and Lou Berger, GMPLS Asymmetric Bandwidth Bidirectional Label Switched Paths (LSPs), RFC 6387, September 2011. So, that's full author names and before the last author name, title, document number and date, using the American quotation outside punctuation rule. I got tired of doing this by hand so I asked Henrik if he could write me a tool. He did (THANKS!), and the result is here: http://tools.ietf.org/tools/citation/ This will take either the draft name or the RFC number as input and produce a citation similar to the one above. You can of course play with the elements and generate a format that suits your own taste, for example, for I-Ds, in print it might be good to have the FILE NAME as the last entry: Adam Langley, Serializing DNS Records with DNSSEC Authentication, Internet Draft, work in progress, July 2011, draft-agl-dane-serializechain-01 ...since I like having filenames or URLs on one line (not wrapping) as much as possible. Many thanks again to Henrik, and I hope you will find it useful too! Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: o...@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj Skype: organdemo --Steve Bellovin, https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb
Re: RFC and I-D Citation Tool
From: Ole Jacobsen o...@cisco.com using the American quotation outside punctuation rule. Ugh. There may be uglier typographic conventions, but off the top of my head, I can't come up with one. Noel
Re: RFC and I-D Citation Tool
Not yet quite optimal for e.g. RFC 3095: http://tools.ietf.org/tools/citation/?doc=3095template=%7Bauthors.andlist%7D%2C+%22%7Bdoctitle%7D%2C%22+%7Bdocname%7D%2C+%7Bdate%3A%25B+%25Y.%7Dsubmit=Generate+citation Grüße, Carsten
Re: RFC and I-D Citation Tool
Hi Ersue, On 2012-07-31 13:27 Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich) said the following: Nice tool. However, I am wondering why the tool changes the order of the names. There is actually a reason why documents list names in a specific order. There is no intentional name re-ordering. I'll look into why that happens. Some of the citations appear to be incomplete, see RFC3410. Ok, will check that too. Thanks for the feedback! Best regards, Henrik Cheers, Mehmet -Original Message- From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext Ole Jacobsen Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 11:17 AM To: The IETF Cc: RSOC; Heather Flanagan; r...@rfc-editor.org Subject: RFC and I-D Citation Tool In The Internet Protocol Journal I have been using the following citation format, best illustrated by an example: Julien Meuric, Diego Caviglia, Don Fedyk, Attila Takacs, and Lou Berger, GMPLS Asymmetric Bandwidth Bidirectional Label Switched Paths (LSPs), RFC 6387, September 2011. So, that's full author names and before the last author name, title, document number and date, using the American quotation outside punctuation rule. I got tired of doing this by hand so I asked Henrik if he could write me a tool. He did (THANKS!), and the result is here: http://tools.ietf.org/tools/citation/ This will take either the draft name or the RFC number as input and produce a citation similar to the one above. You can of course play with the elements and generate a format that suits your own taste, for example, for I-Ds, in print it might be good to have the FILE NAME as the last entry: Adam Langley, Serializing DNS Records with DNSSEC Authentication, Internet Draft, work in progress, July 2011, draft-agl-dane-serializechain-01 ...since I like having filenames or URLs on one line (not wrapping) as much as possible. Many thanks again to Henrik, and I hope you will find it useful too! Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: o...@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj Skype: organdemo
Re: RFC and I-D Citation Tool
On 2012-07-31 14:35 Steven Bellovin said the following: There are a number of very weird entries that require special handling. I (also) wrote a Python script to convert the XML file to bibtex and had to deal with a number of these special cases. For example, RFC 4534 lists the authors as A Colegrove, H Harney instead of A. Colegrove, H. Harney. Other names like The Internet Society require special handling. And I completely punted on proper capitalization of the titles; I just accept what's there. Ah. I'll have to look at fixing cases like the ones you mention, then. Thanks! Henrik On Jul 31, 2012, at 2:23 PM, Ole Jacobsen wrote: Mehmet, The tool is not INTENDED to change the author order. A somewhat incomplete database can indeed lead to unexpected results, use with caution. Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: o...@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj Skype: organdemo On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich) wrote: Nice tool. However, I am wondering why the tool changes the order of the names. There is actually a reason why documents list names in a specific order. Some of the citations appear to be incomplete, see RFC3410. Cheers, Mehmet -Original Message- From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext Ole Jacobsen Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 11:17 AM To: The IETF Cc: RSOC; Heather Flanagan; r...@rfc-editor.org Subject: RFC and I-D Citation Tool In The Internet Protocol Journal I have been using the following citation format, best illustrated by an example: Julien Meuric, Diego Caviglia, Don Fedyk, Attila Takacs, and Lou Berger, GMPLS Asymmetric Bandwidth Bidirectional Label Switched Paths (LSPs), RFC 6387, September 2011. So, that's full author names and before the last author name, title, document number and date, using the American quotation outside punctuation rule. I got tired of doing this by hand so I asked Henrik if he could write me a tool. He did (THANKS!), and the result is here: http://tools.ietf.org/tools/citation/ This will take either the draft name or the RFC number as input and produce a citation similar to the one above. You can of course play with the elements and generate a format that suits your own taste, for example, for I-Ds, in print it might be good to have the FILE NAME as the last entry: Adam Langley, Serializing DNS Records with DNSSEC Authentication, Internet Draft, work in progress, July 2011, draft-agl-dane-serializechain-01 ...since I like having filenames or URLs on one line (not wrapping) as much as possible. Many thanks again to Henrik, and I hope you will find it useful too! Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: o...@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj Skype: organdemo --Steve Bellovin, https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: RFC and I-D Citation Tool
One feature request that I discussed with Henrik was to either auto-detect I-D file names and handle them slightly differently from RFC numbers (by putting the file name as the final entry) OR just having two tools. With the kind of feedback Henrik is getting I am sure the tool will be improved/enhanced over time. Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: o...@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj Skype: organdemo
Re: RFC and I-D Citation Tool
Hi Ole, On 2012-07-31 16:17 Ole Jacobsen said the following: One feature request that I discussed with Henrik was to either auto-detect I-D file names and handle them slightly differently from RFC numbers (by putting the file name as the final entry) OR just having two tools. With the kind of feedback Henrik is getting I am sure the tool will be improved/enhanced over time. I'm thinking about how to do this best now. One option I'm considering is to provide two template fields in the tool, one to be used for references to RFCs, the other to references to drafts. Best regards, Henrik signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
