Re: meetecho praise
Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: I would just like to say I'm very grateful for the WGs that used Meetecho to record their sessions. The HTML5 versions works out of the box with no plugins in Chrome both on my Ubuntu 12.04 machine and Chrome on my Windows7 machine. The sync of sound, slides, picture and jabber room is excellent and makes it very easy top follow what's going on. Some other recordings focus too much on the video of the speaker, where I'm of the opinion that it's the slides and the sound that is most important, and current incarnation of Meetecho solves this very nicely. I applaud these efforts and hope we can end up in a situation where all meetings at the IETF is recorded in this way. I would really appreciate if the plenary recordings were not chopped down is so many tiny pieces. It would be perfectly sufficient if there was an overview page that gave the time positions of the individual parts. The meetecho video from the plenary is very close to useless. One can neither recognize faces, nor mimics of faces on these videos. Still, because there is video, and body movements are still visible, the video stream captures attention. But it's disappointing to keep watching the video and realize at the end, that the video stream conveyed pretty close to zero information. Kill the meetecho video stream and make the bandwith avaiable for better audio quality. ;-) -Martin
Re: meetecho praise
Hi Martin, thank you for your feedback. A couple of responses in-line. I would really appreciate if the plenary recordings were not chopped down is so many tiny pieces. It would be perfectly sufficient if there was an overview page that gave the time positions of the individual parts. This actually depends on people's preferences. We are currently cutting the recordings in pieces because we were asked to do so. Many people prefer shorter, independent clips (each of which can be individually downloaded from the server) rather than a single huge recording with side indication of bookmarked time events. We can do both things, though. The meetecho video from the plenary is very close to useless. One can neither recognize faces, nor mimics of faces on these videos. Still, because there is video, and body movements are still visible, the video stream captures attention. But it's disappointing to keep watching the video and realize at the end, that the video stream conveyed pretty close to zero information. You're right. The video of the plenary is 'close to useless' because we have recorded it from front-row laptops equipped with off-the-shelf (and low quality) webcams. We will record video with better devices next time and will stream a higher resolution flow for those interested. Kill the meetecho video stream and make the bandwith avaiable for better audio quality. ;-) As to audio, I believe the current quality is almost optimal: we're providing 16KHz wideband audio with either speex or opus. Cheers, Simon -Martin _\\|//_ ( O-O ) ~~o00~~(_)~~00o Simon Pietro Romano Universita' di Napoli Federico II Computer Engineering Department Phone: +39 081 7683823 -- Fax: +39 081 7683816 e-mail: sprom...@unina.it Molti mi dicono che lo scoraggiamento Ë l'alibi degli idioti. Ci rifletto un istante; e mi scoraggio. Magritte. oooO ~~~( )~~~ Oooo~ \ (( ) \_) ) / (_/
Re: meetecho praise
On Tue, 19 Mar 2013, Simon Pietro Romano wrote: This actually depends on people's preferences. We are currently cutting the recordings in pieces because we were asked to do so. Many people prefer shorter, independent clips (each of which can be individually downloaded from the server) rather than a single huge recording with side indication of bookmarked time events. We can do both things, though. Perhaps having some kind of logic with a check box (continue next segment after previous segment ends) would work for people who want one long clip (compromise). I personally prefer the short clips anyway. You're right. The video of the plenary is 'close to useless' because we have recorded it from front-row laptops equipped with off-the-shelf (and low quality) webcams. We will record video with better devices next time and will stream a higher resolution flow for those interested. Please make the size of the video window configurable. If Video was better quality I would probably have the slides and video windows of equal size. As to audio, I believe the current quality is almost optimal: we're providing 16KHz wideband audio with either speex or opus. I agree, audio quality wasn't a problem (apart from the recording devices causing hums and scratching sounds etc, but that's not the fault of Meetecho I would imagine). -- Mikael Abrahamssonemail: swm...@swm.pp.se
Re: meetecho praise
On Mon, 18 Mar 2013, alejandroacostaal...@gmail.com wrote: I used to connect using a regular jabber client but the experience with meetecho is much better. Having audio, chat room and the slides is fantastic. I did not use the html5 version so my audio was using vlc, I had to modify our firewall rules becase the destionation port was blocked. Audio was very good (it can always be better of course). The various versions did not work well for me at all, and I had to go back to using the plain mp3 audio feeds. These had minor issues at the beginning of sessions, but the quality (volume!) was much better then at previous IETF's where I was a remote participant. Paul
Re: meetecho praise
Hi all, I would like to join Mikael's words. I used to connect using a regular jabber client but the experience with meetecho is much better. Having audio, chat room and the slides is fantastic. I did not use the html5 version so my audio was using vlc, I had to modify our firewall rules becase the destionation port was blocked. Audio was very good (it can always be better of course). Thanks, Este mensaje ha sido enviado gracias al servicio BlackBerry de Movilnet -Original Message- From: Mikael Abrahamsson swm...@swm.pp.se Sender: ietf-boun...@ietf.org Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 11:04:06 To: ietf@ietf.org Subject: meetecho praise Hello. I would just like to say I'm very grateful for the WGs that used Meetecho to record their sessions. The HTML5 versions works out of the box with no plugins in Chrome both on my Ubuntu 12.04 machine and Chrome on my Windows7 machine. The sync of sound, slides, picture and jabber room is excellent and makes it very easy top follow what's going on. Some other recordings focus too much on the video of the speaker, where I'm of the opinion that it's the slides and the sound that is most important, and current incarnation of Meetecho solves this very nicely. I applaud these efforts and hope we can end up in a situation where all meetings at the IETF is recorded in this way. Thanks. -- Mikael Abrahamssonemail: swm...@swm.pp.se
Re: meetecho praise
Hi, I want to support Mikael's comment. Meetecho worked really well, I used to connect using a regular jabber client however using Meetecho really enriches the experience, it was very nice to see the slides, to be in the jabber room, everything in the same screen. I also had audio (In a previous recording I also had video). I did not use html5 and my audio was using VLC. I got small two problems: my company's firewall blocked the output port to connect to, so I needed to create a special rule on it. Video was not available but I'm not sure because of the WG room or maybe another issue. Anyway audio was good (as usual it can always be better). Thanks, Alejandro, On 3/18/13, Mikael Abrahamsson swm...@swm.pp.se wrote: Hello. I would just like to say I'm very grateful for the WGs that used Meetecho to record their sessions. The HTML5 versions works out of the box with no plugins in Chrome both on my Ubuntu 12.04 machine and Chrome on my Windows7 machine. The sync of sound, slides, picture and jabber room is excellent and makes it very easy top follow what's going on. Some other recordings focus too much on the video of the speaker, where I'm of the opinion that it's the slides and the sound that is most important, and current incarnation of Meetecho solves this very nicely. I applaud these efforts and hope we can end up in a situation where all meetings at the IETF is recorded in this way. Thanks. -- Mikael Abrahamssonemail: swm...@swm.pp.se
Re: meetecho praise
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 5:04 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson swm...@swm.pp.se wrote: Hello. I would just like to say I'm very grateful for the WGs that used Meetecho to record their sessions. The HTML5 versions works out of the box with no plugins in Chrome both on my Ubuntu 12.04 machine and Chrome on my Windows7 machine. The sync of sound, slides, picture and jabber room is excellent and makes it very easy top follow what's going on. Some other recordings focus too much on the video of the speaker, where I'm of the opinion that it's the slides and the sound that is most important, and current incarnation of Meetecho solves this very nicely. I applaud these efforts and hope we can end up in a situation where all meetings at the IETF is recorded in this way. [MB] That would be wonderful. I find Meetecho fantastic for going back and re-reviewing the meeting in cases where notes aren't complete. As a chair, it's really hard to take good notes and it's sometimes hard for participants as they are sometimes to engage in discussions. The Meetecho team works extremely hard during these meetings and definitely deserve applause for their work. [/MB] Thanks. -- Mikael Abrahamssonemail: swm...@swm.pp.se
Re: meetecho praise
I agree whole heartedly as well, this was my first meeting with remote participation and the experience is definitely better compared to handling jabber / slides / voice streaming in three different applications. Bravo Meetecho team!! Dhruv On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:09 PM, Mary Barnes mary.ietf.bar...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 5:04 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson swm...@swm.pp.se wrote: Hello. I would just like to say I'm very grateful for the WGs that used Meetecho to record their sessions. The HTML5 versions works out of the box with no plugins in Chrome both on my Ubuntu 12.04 machine and Chrome on my Windows7 machine. The sync of sound, slides, picture and jabber room is excellent and makes it very easy top follow what's going on. Some other recordings focus too much on the video of the speaker, where I'm of the opinion that it's the slides and the sound that is most important, and current incarnation of Meetecho solves this very nicely. I applaud these efforts and hope we can end up in a situation where all meetings at the IETF is recorded in this way. [MB] That would be wonderful. I find Meetecho fantastic for going back and re-reviewing the meeting in cases where notes aren't complete. As a chair, it's really hard to take good notes and it's sometimes hard for participants as they are sometimes to engage in discussions. The Meetecho team works extremely hard during these meetings and definitely deserve applause for their work. [/MB] Thanks. -- Mikael Abrahamssonemail: swm...@swm.pp.se
Re: meetecho praise
What Mary said, especially from a chair perspective. I stepped down as co-chair of three working groups just as the Meetecho team reached cruising speed, but they were very active in MediaCtrl and we benefited considerably from using an early version in Hiroshima. If I was co-chairing three working groups today, I would already have sent them my request for support in Berlin :-) Thanks, guys, for all that you do! Spencer On 3/18/2013 10:39 AM, Mary Barnes wrote: On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 5:04 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson swm...@swm.pp.se wrote: Hello. I would just like to say I'm very grateful for the WGs that used Meetecho to record their sessions. The HTML5 versions works out of the box with no plugins in Chrome both on my Ubuntu 12.04 machine and Chrome on my Windows7 machine. The sync of sound, slides, picture and jabber room is excellent and makes it very easy top follow what's going on. Some other recordings focus too much on the video of the speaker, where I'm of the opinion that it's the slides and the sound that is most important, and current incarnation of Meetecho solves this very nicely. I applaud these efforts and hope we can end up in a situation where all meetings at the IETF is recorded in this way. [MB] That would be wonderful. I find Meetecho fantastic for going back and re-reviewing the meeting in cases where notes aren't complete. As a chair, it's really hard to take good notes and it's sometimes hard for participants as they are sometimes to engage in discussions. The Meetecho team works extremely hard during these meetings and definitely deserve applause for their work. [/MB] Thanks. -- Mikael Abrahamssonemail: swm...@swm.pp.se
Re: meetecho praise
Hi, on behalf of the Meetecho team, let me just thank you all for your feedback and appreciation :-). We're glad you found Meetecho useful both during the meeting and for off-line access to the recorded sessions. Cheers, Simon Mary Barnes mary.ietf.bar...@gmail.com ha scritto: On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 5:04 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson swm...@swm.pp.se wrote: Hello. I would just like to say I'm very grateful for the WGs that used Meetecho to record their sessions. The HTML5 versions works out of the box with no plugins in Chrome both on my Ubuntu 12.04 machine and Chrome on my Windows7 machine. The sync of sound, slides, picture and jabber room is excellent and makes it very easy top follow what's going on. Some other recordings focus too much on the video of the speaker, where I'm of the opinion that it's the slides and the sound that is most important, and current incarnation of Meetecho solves this very nicely. I applaud these efforts and hope we can end up in a situation where all meetings at the IETF is recorded in this way. [MB] That would be wonderful. I find Meetecho fantastic for going back and re-reviewing the meeting in cases where notes aren't complete. As a chair, it's really hard to take good notes and it's sometimes hard for participants as they are sometimes to engage in discussions. The Meetecho team works extremely hard during these meetings and definitely deserve applause for their work. [/MB] Thanks. -- Mikael Abrahamssonemail: swm...@swm.pp.se
Re: meetecho praise
I looked at the WG's agendas of some meetings that I missed and none have a link to the meetecho's recording (they have the audio and jabber), which was odd to me (or I had very bad luck to miss the only non-meetcho meetings.) Then I found the recordings at: http://www.ietf.org/meeting/86/remote-participation.html#Meetecho I would suggest to add these links to the agenda's WG pages. Thanks! as On 3/18/13 1:09 PM, Simon Pietro Romano wrote: Hi, on behalf of the Meetecho team, let me just thank you all for your feedback and appreciation :-). We're glad you found Meetecho useful both during the meeting and for off-line access to the recorded sessions. Cheers, Simon Mary Barnes mary.ietf.bar...@gmail.com ha scritto: On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 5:04 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson swm...@swm.pp.se wrote: Hello. I would just like to say I'm very grateful for the WGs that used Meetecho to record their sessions. The HTML5 versions works out of the box with no plugins in Chrome both on my Ubuntu 12.04 machine and Chrome on my Windows7 machine. The sync of sound, slides, picture and jabber room is excellent and makes it very easy top follow what's going on. Some other recordings focus too much on the video of the speaker, where I'm of the opinion that it's the slides and the sound that is most important, and current incarnation of Meetecho solves this very nicely. I applaud these efforts and hope we can end up in a si! tuation where all meetings at the IETF is recorded in this way. [MB] That would be wonderful. I find Meetecho fantastic for going back and re-reviewing the meeting in cases where notes aren't complete. As a chair, it's really hard to take good notes and it's sometimes hard for participants as they are sometimes to engage in discussions. The Meetecho team works extremely hard during these meetings and definitely deserve applause for their work. [/MB] Thanks. -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swm...@swm.pp.se
Re: meetecho praise
I've added the links to my WG meeting minutes. I think that's a better place to store these, although, unfortunately, it seems to take a long time for many to get their meeting minutes uploaded. My suggestion is for chairs to at least upload the raw minutes as drafts and include the Meetecho links. Certainly, you have to remember to finalize the minutes. But, something is much better than nothing for folks trying to work forward from the meeting. Regards, Mary CLUE and DISPATCH WG chair On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Arturo Servin arturo.ser...@gmail.com wrote: I looked at the WG's agendas of some meetings that I missed and none have a link to the meetecho's recording (they have the audio and jabber), which was odd to me (or I had very bad luck to miss the only non-meetcho meetings.) Then I found the recordings at: http://www.ietf.org/meeting/86/remote-participation.html#Meetecho I would suggest to add these links to the agenda's WG pages. Thanks! as On 3/18/13 1:09 PM, Simon Pietro Romano wrote: Hi, on behalf of the Meetecho team, let me just thank you all for your feedback and appreciation :-). We're glad you found Meetecho useful both during the meeting and for off-line access to the recorded sessions. Cheers, Simon Mary Barnes mary.ietf.bar...@gmail.com ha scritto: On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 5:04 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson swm...@swm.pp.se wrote: Hello. I would just like to say I'm very grateful for the WGs that used Meetecho to record their sessions. The HTML5 versions works out of the box with no plugins in Chrome both on my Ubuntu 12.04 machine and Chrome on my Windows7 machine. The sync of sound, slides, picture and jabber room is excellent and makes it very easy top follow what's going on. Some other recordings focus too much on the video of the speaker, where I'm of the opinion that it's the slides and the sound that is most important, and current incarnation of Meetecho solves this very nicely. I applaud these efforts and hope we can end up in a si! tuation where all meetings at the IETF is recorded in this way. [MB] That would be wonderful. I find Meetecho fantastic for going back and re-reviewing the meeting in cases where notes aren't complete. As a chair, it's really hard to take good notes and it's sometimes hard for participants as they are sometimes to engage in discussions. The Meetecho team works extremely hard during these meetings and definitely deserve applause for their work. [/MB] Thanks. -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swm...@swm.pp.se
raw meeting minutes (Re: meetecho praise)
On 3/18/2013 9:28 AM, Mary Barnes wrote: it seems to take a long time for many to get their meeting minutes uploaded. My suggestion is for chairs to at least upload the raw minutes as drafts If minutes takers used etherpad, the raw minutes would be available in real-time, rather than requiring everyone to wait for the polished version. It would also allow some crows-sourcing of corrections and additions to the raw minutes... d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net
Re: raw meeting minutes (Re: meetecho praise)
Etherpad is an awesome tool and we've found out to be hugely useful over a number of IETFs, but be forewarned that on a couple of rare occasions the notes have disappeared. In the first case, it took a manual step for it to be restored. In the second we had a private copy... Lou On March 18, 2013 12:35:49 PM Dave Crocker d...@dcrocker.net wrote: On 3/18/2013 9:28 AM, Mary Barnes wrote: it seems to take a long time for many to get their meeting minutes uploaded. My suggestion is for chairs to at least upload the raw minutes as drafts If minutes takers used etherpad, the raw minutes would be available in real-time, rather than requiring everyone to wait for the polished version. It would also allow some crows-sourcing of corrections and additions to the raw minutes... d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net
Re: raw meeting minutes (Re: meetecho praise)
Hi, Just my two cents: The very few times I've been minute taker it worked very well. Probably the problem might be when there is more than one minute taker using Etherpad at the same time. Alejandro, Este mensaje ha sido enviado gracias al servicio BlackBerry de Movilnet -Original Message- From: Lou Berger lber...@labn.net Sender: ietf-boun...@ietf.org Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 13:00:31 To: dcroc...@bbiw.net; Mary Barnesmary.ietf.bar...@gmail.com; Dave Crockerd...@dcrocker.net Cc: IETF-Discussion listietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: raw meeting minutes (Re: meetecho praise) Etherpad is an awesome tool and we've found out to be hugely useful over a number of IETFs, but be forewarned that on a couple of rare occasions the notes have disappeared. In the first case, it took a manual step for it to be restored. In the second we had a private copy... Lou On March 18, 2013 12:35:49 PM Dave Crocker d...@dcrocker.net wrote: On 3/18/2013 9:28 AM, Mary Barnes wrote: it seems to take a long time for many to get their meeting minutes uploaded. My suggestion is for chairs to at least upload the raw minutes as drafts If minutes takers used etherpad, the raw minutes would be available in real-time, rather than requiring everyone to wait for the polished version. It would also allow some crows-sourcing of corrections and additions to the raw minutes... d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net
Re: raw meeting minutes (Re: meetecho praise)
It would also allow some crows-sourcing of corrections and additions to the raw minutes... CAW CAW CAW CAW !!!
Re: raw meeting minutes (Re: meetecho praise)
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 09:35:49AM -0700, Dave Crocker wrote: If minutes takers used etherpad, the raw minutes would be available in real-time, rather than requiring everyone to wait for the polished version. When it's working, I prefer to use etherpad. It was down during the first SIDR session. Lest I seem like I'm griping about a single problem, it seems to be down at least once an IETF when I'm wanting to contribute notes. Great tool, but some issues seem to still be there. -- Jeff
Re: raw meeting minutes (Re: meetecho praise)
Hi, we have used an etherpad-enabled Meetecho room (https://twitter.com/spromano/status/311211960412807169/photo/1) during the History BoF at IETF86 and I have to say that the shared editor worked like a charm. In my personal view, this is an extremely useful tool for minute-taking. Simon Il giorno 18/mar/2013, alle ore 18:57, Jeffrey Haas ha scritto: On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 09:35:49AM -0700, Dave Crocker wrote: If minutes takers used etherpad, the raw minutes would be available in real-time, rather than requiring everyone to wait for the polished version. When it's working, I prefer to use etherpad. It was down during the first SIDR session. Lest I seem like I'm griping about a single problem, it seems to be down at least once an IETF when I'm wanting to contribute notes. Great tool, but some issues seem to still be there. -- Jeff _\\|//_ ( O-O ) ~~o00~~(_)~~00o Simon Pietro Romano Universita' di Napoli Federico II Computer Engineering Department Phone: +39 081 7683823 -- Fax: +39 081 7683816 e-mail: sprom...@unina.it Molti mi dicono che lo scoraggiamento Ë l'alibi degli idioti. Ci rifletto un istante; e mi scoraggio. Magritte. oooO ~~~( )~~~ Oooo~ \ (( ) \_) ) / (_/
