RE: When did the ID drafts index disappear
Brian, Its not just the disappearing link to the abstracts, it's the entire organization of the site and the attitude that anyone that has any business working with the IETF already knows where everything is. I don't like playing twenty questions to find pieces of information that should be presented clearly. You reply with yet another piece of insider information. The Web site is the front door to the organization. For the past ten years it has been treated as an afterthought. Phill -Original Message- From: Brian E Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 4:25 PM To: Hallam-Baker, Phillip Cc: Andrew G. Malis; ietf Mailing List Subject: Re: When did the ID drafts index disappear So, Phill, how about a polite note to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] suggesting that they add a link to 1id-abstracts.txt and to the ftp directory to the page at http://www.ietf.org/ID.html? Incidentally, if you type 'abstracts' into the search box at www.ietf.org, the first hit is the 1id-abstracts page. Brian Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote: I start at the IETF home page, go to the ID drafts page Look for the abstracts and all I can find is the database interface. If its not in the index it does not exist. From: Andrew G. Malis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 12:39 PM To: Hallam-Baker, Phillip Cc: ietf Mailing List Subject: Re: When did the ID drafts index disappear Phillip, Did you mean http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/1id-abstracts.txt ? It's still there, as always. 1id-index.txt is also there. Cheers, Andy ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: When did the ID drafts index disappear
Phill, The addresses to which one should report problems are not insider information; they are displayed at the Secretariat page right off the home page. As for reorganizing the web site, yes, it would be nice to have the resources to do that. Brian Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote: Brian, Its not just the disappearing link to the abstracts, it's the entire organization of the site and the attitude that anyone that has any business working with the IETF already knows where everything is. I don't like playing twenty questions to find pieces of information that should be presented clearly. You reply with yet another piece of insider information. The Web site is the front door to the organization. For the past ten years it has been treated as an afterthought. Phill -Original Message- From: Brian E Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 4:25 PM To: Hallam-Baker, Phillip Cc: Andrew G. Malis; ietf Mailing List Subject: Re: When did the ID drafts index disappear So, Phill, how about a polite note to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] suggesting that they add a link to 1id-abstracts.txt and to the ftp directory to the page at http://www.ietf.org/ID.html? Incidentally, if you type 'abstracts' into the search box at www.ietf.org, the first hit is the 1id-abstracts page. Brian Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote: I start at the IETF home page, go to the ID drafts page Look for the abstracts and all I can find is the database interface. If its not in the index it does not exist. From: Andrew G. Malis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 12:39 PM To: Hallam-Baker, Phillip Cc: ietf Mailing List Subject: Re: When did the ID drafts index disappear Phillip, Did you mean http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/1id-abstracts.txt ? It's still there, as always. 1id-index.txt is also there. Cheers, Andy ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
When did the ID drafts index disappear
The IETF Web site goes for terrible to worse. It is bad enough that the site is designed with the UNIX 'hunt and ye shall find (if you are lucky)' attitude. Now the ID index has disappeared and has been replaced with a search by filename. I am currently trying to find two IDs, one submitted by RSA, another by VeriSign. I do not know the authors of the drafts but I know the subjects and in the past I would simply do a search over the web page with all the personal submissions. HOW ON EARTH WOULD I KNOW THE FILE NAME? This new interface is terrible. It is the sort of thing that a contractor does on purpose in an attempt to abide by the letter of a contract while hoping to be paid more to do the job right. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: When did the ID drafts index disappear
Phillip,Did you mean http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/1id-abstracts.txt ? It's still there, as always. 1id-index.txt is also there.Cheers, AndyOn 7/10/06, Hallam-Baker, Phillip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The IETF Web site goes for terrible to worse.It is bad enough that the site is designed with the UNIX 'hunt and ye shall find (if you are lucky)' attitude. Now the ID index has disappeared and has been replaced with a search by filename. I am currently trying to find two IDs, one submitted by RSA, another by VeriSign. I do not know the authors of the drafts but I know the subjects and in the past I would simply do a search over the web page with all the personal submissions. HOW ON EARTH WOULD I KNOW THE FILE NAME? This new interface is terrible. It is the sort of thing that a contractor does on purpose in an attempt to abide by the letter of a contract while hoping to be paid more to do the job right. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: When did the ID drafts index disappear
Phill, When you have operational questions about the site and any other secretriat operations, could you please start by writing to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If that doesn't work you can escalate to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Brian ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
RE: When did the ID drafts index disappear
I start at the IETF home page, go to the ID drafts page Look for the abstracts and all I can find is the database interface. If its not in the index it does not exist. From: Andrew G. Malis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 12:39 PMTo: Hallam-Baker, PhillipCc: ietf Mailing ListSubject: Re: When did the ID drafts index disappear Phillip,Did you mean http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/1id-abstracts.txt ? It's still there, as always. 1id-index.txt is also there.Cheers, Andy On 7/10/06, Hallam-Baker, Phillip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The IETF Web site goes for terrible to worse. It is bad enough that the site is designed with the UNIX 'hunt and ye shall find (if you are lucky)' attitude. Now the ID index has disappeared and has been replaced with a search by filename. I am currently trying to find two IDs, one submitted by RSA, another by VeriSign. I do not know the authors of the drafts but I know the subjects and in the past I would simply do a search over the web page with all the personal submissions. HOW ON EARTH WOULD I KNOW THE FILE NAME? This new interface is terrible. It is the sort of thing that a contractor does on purpose in an attempt to abide by the letter of a contract while hoping to be paid more to do the job right. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: When did the ID drafts index disappear
If you like, you may use ftp://ftpeng.cisco.com/drafts.html. It is created daily (well, nightly) from http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/1id-index.txt.On Jul 10, 2006, at 12:02 PM, Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote: The IETF Web site goes for terrible to worse. It is bad enough that the site is designed with the UNIX 'hunt and ye shall find (if you are lucky)' attitude. Now the ID index has disappeared and has been replaced with a search by filename. I am currently trying to find two IDs, one submitted by RSA, another by VeriSign. I do not know the authors of the drafts but I know the subjects and in the past I would simply do a search over the web page with all the personal submissions. HOW ON EARTH WOULD I KNOW THE FILE NAME? This new interface is terrible. It is the sort of thing that a contractor does on purpose in an attempt to abide by the letter of a contract while hoping to be paid more to do the job right.___Ietf mailing listIetf@ietf.orghttps://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: When did the ID drafts index disappear
So, Phill, how about a polite note to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] suggesting that they add a link to 1id-abstracts.txt and to the ftp directory to the page at http://www.ietf.org/ID.html? Incidentally, if you type 'abstracts' into the search box at www.ietf.org, the first hit is the 1id-abstracts page. Brian Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote: I start at the IETF home page, go to the ID drafts page Look for the abstracts and all I can find is the database interface. If its not in the index it does not exist. From: Andrew G. Malis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 12:39 PM To: Hallam-Baker, Phillip Cc: ietf Mailing List Subject: Re: When did the ID drafts index disappear Phillip, Did you mean http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/1id-abstracts.txt ? It's still there, as always. 1id-index.txt is also there. Cheers, Andy ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
