Re: open protocols
On 25 mei 2010, at 20:17, todd glassey wrote: The IETF does NOT own the underlying license rights to TCP/IP in ANY WAY. For the record TCP/IP actually probably still belongs to the US Government as it was originally produced under a Department of Defense contract with BBN about 40 years ago and nothing about its ownership has ever been handed over to anyone that I know of. Interestingly, RFC 793 doesn't appear to have any copyright claims. I'm not sure when it stopped being necessary to have one of those in order to be granted copyright in the US. I'm not sure though how many rights one can hold to a protocol separately from the copyright on the specification. Obviously independent implementations don't violate any copyrights, and I'd be surprised if there were trademarks or patents on TCP. If those ever existed, the trademark obviously wasn't defended and the patents have expired. (BTW TCP, IP and family are from ~ 1981, postdating the original ARPANET NCP protocol by a decade.) ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: open protocols
On May 27, 2010, at 7:06 AM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: On 25 mei 2010, at 20:17, todd glassey wrote: The IETF does NOT own the underlying license rights to TCP/IP in ANY WAY. For the record TCP/IP actually probably still belongs to the US Government as it was originally produced under a Department of Defense contract with BBN about 40 years ago and nothing about its ownership has ever been handed over to anyone that I know of. Interestingly, RFC 793 doesn't appear to have any copyright claims. I'm not sure when it stopped being necessary to have one of those in order to be granted copyright in the US. http://www.unc.edu/~unclng/public-d.htm Under the 1909 Act, works published without notice went into the public domain upon publication. Works published without notice between 1-1-78 and 3-1-89, effective date of the Berne Convention Implementation Act, retained copyright only if efforts to correct the accidental omission of notice was made within five years, such as by placing notice on unsold copies. As RFC 793 was published in September 1981, I would assume (but I am not a lawyer) that RFC793 is in the public domain. Regards Marshall I'm not sure though how many rights one can hold to a protocol separately from the copyright on the specification. Obviously independent implementations don't violate any copyrights, and I'd be surprised if there were trademarks or patents on TCP. If those ever existed, the trademark obviously wasn't defended and the patents have expired. (BTW TCP, IP and family are from ~ 1981, postdating the original ARPANET NCP protocol by a decade.) ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: open protocols
On 5/25/2010 11:46 AM, Donald Eastlake wrote: It's all bit complicated but, yes, anyone can publish copies of RFCs, including translations into other languages. (See http://trustee.ietf.org/license-info/archive/IETF-Trust-License-Policy-20091228.pdffor latest provisions.) Patent questions can be even more complex but, generally speaking, anyone involved in the IETF process should make their claims known. See http://www.ietf.org/ipr/. (It is always possible that there are those not involved with the IETF process who have patent claims.) Depending on your definition of open, no, not all protocols approved by the IETF or documented in RFCs are unencumbered. Which is the point - copying IETF protocol specifications does NOT provide a legally provable license to implement that protocol for any purposes other than the reproduction of the image of the RFC itself. Todd Thanks, Donald = Donald E. Eastlake 3rd 155 Beaver Street Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e...@gmail.com 2010/5/21 victor nunes victor.re...@gmail.com Hello, I would like to clarify a doubt about the RFCs Copyright The IETF allows you to copy, publish RFCs? All protocols that are part of the architecture of TCP / IP are open? Thanks, Victor -- “Encarada do ponto de vista da juventude, a vida parece um futuro indefinidamente longo, ao passo que, na velhice, ela parece um passado deveras curto. Assim, a vida no seu início se apresenta do mesmo modo que as coisas quando as olhamos através de um binóculo usado ao contrário; mas, ao seu final, ela se parece com as coisas tal qual são vistas quando o binóculo é usado de modo normal. Um homem precisa ter envelhecido e vivido bastante para perceber como a vida é curta”. (Poema de Arthur Schopenhauer) ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf attachment: tglassey.vcf___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
open protocols
Hello, I would like to clarify a doubt about the RFCs Copyright The IETF allows you to copy, publish RFCs? All protocols that are part of the architecture of TCP / IP are open? Thanks, Victor -- “Encarada do ponto de vista da juventude, a vida parece um futuro indefinidamente longo, ao passo que, na velhice, ela parece um passado deveras curto. Assim, a vida no seu início se apresenta do mesmo modo que as coisas quando as olhamos através de um binóculo usado ao contrário; mas, ao seu final, ela se parece com as coisas tal qual são vistas quando o binóculo é usado de modo normal. Um homem precisa ter envelhecido e vivido bastante para perceber como a vida é curta”. (Poema de Arthur Schopenhauer) ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: open protocols
On 5/21/2010 7:13 AM, victor nunes wrote: Hello, I would like to clarify a doubt about the RFCs Copyright The IETF allows you to copy, publish RFCs? All protocols that are part of the architecture of TCP / IP are open? No. Only those protocols implemented on the basis of a specific license. The IETF does NOT own the underlying license rights to TCP/IP in ANY WAY. For the record TCP/IP actually probably still belongs to the US Government as it was originally produced under a Department of Defense contract with BBN about 40 years ago and nothing about its ownership has ever been handed over to anyone that I know of. We can ask Len K and Vint Cerf though, they may be able to clear that up some more. But my general gut feeling is that since the NTIA agreement was never codified beyond the original MOU ICANN actually owns nothing. So the ISOC's license (that's what the IETF produces its authority under) holds no power over things it does not own like TCP for instance. Todd Glassey Thanks, Victor ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf attachment: tglassey.vcf___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: open protocols
It's all bit complicated but, yes, anyone can publish copies of RFCs, including translations into other languages. (See http://trustee.ietf.org/license-info/archive/IETF-Trust-License-Policy-20091228.pdffor latest provisions.) Patent questions can be even more complex but, generally speaking, anyone involved in the IETF process should make their claims known. See http://www.ietf.org/ipr/. (It is always possible that there are those not involved with the IETF process who have patent claims.) Depending on your definition of open, no, not all protocols approved by the IETF or documented in RFCs are unencumbered. Thanks, Donald = Donald E. Eastlake 3rd 155 Beaver Street Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e...@gmail.com 2010/5/21 victor nunes victor.re...@gmail.com Hello, I would like to clarify a doubt about the RFCs Copyright The IETF allows you to copy, publish RFCs? All protocols that are part of the architecture of TCP / IP are open? Thanks, Victor -- “Encarada do ponto de vista da juventude, a vida parece um futuro indefinidamente longo, ao passo que, na velhice, ela parece um passado deveras curto. Assim, a vida no seu início se apresenta do mesmo modo que as coisas quando as olhamos através de um binóculo usado ao contrário; mas, ao seu final, ela se parece com as coisas tal qual são vistas quando o binóculo é usado de modo normal. Um homem precisa ter envelhecido e vivido bastante para perceber como a vida é curta”. (Poema de Arthur Schopenhauer) ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: open protocols x proprietary protocols
On 17 mei 2010, at 22:05, victor nunes wrote: For example, if I wanted to write a book about an article or book on some proprietary protocols, I'd have to ask permission for the patent holders of their protocols? You don't need to ask for permission to write a book if the country you're residing in has freedom of speech. Be careful with including material from third parties, though, you often need permission for that. Other than that you want to be clearly either fiction or fact, true fiction or untrue facts can cause trouble. That being said: patents are published so no problem there. Some companies only provide information under NDA or forbid reverse engineering in their license, so if you publish such information they can get upset. Even more so if you publish trade secrets. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
open protocols x proprietary protocols
Hello, I have a question about how to open protocols x proprietary protocols, and I think that the IETF can help me. the open protocols can I study them and learn how they work. However, proprietary protocols, it is possible to study them? way they operate, their packages and other features?. For example, if I wanted to write a book about an article or book on some proprietary protocols, I'd have to ask permission for the patent holders of their protocols? Thanks, Victor -- “Encarada do ponto de vista da juventude, a vida parece um futuro indefinidamente longo, ao passo que, na velhice, ela parece um passado deveras curto. Assim, a vida no seu início se apresenta do mesmo modo que as coisas quando as olhamos através de um binóculo usado ao contrário; mas, ao seu final, ela se parece com as coisas tal qual são vistas quando o binóculo é usado de modo normal. Um homem precisa ter envelhecido e vivido bastante para perceber como a vida é curta”. (Poema de Arthur Schopenhauer) ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
