Re: whine, whine, whine
>I am slightly concerned about the relatively short time for my >connection at YUL, though - I've only got 1h05 between scheduled >landing from LHR and the hop out to YQB. I presume you're coming in on the BA flight, since that's the only one that has a 1:05 connection. If you miss the 21:00 flight, there's a 23:00. If the later flight is full, which seems unlikely since it's currently showing more than 9 available seats, you can take the 21:45 bus. R's, John ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 06:35, Ray Bellis wrote: > I am slightly concerned about the relatively short time for my connection at > YUL, though - I've only got 1h05 between scheduled landing from LHR and the > hop out to YQB. First I think you'll make it, but second I would not be too concerned, apparently there are 15 flights on Sunday. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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On 21 Jun 2011, at 14:44, Klaas Wierenga wrote: > otoh, not having to go through US immigrations saves you about as much > time as you would have saved with a direct flight, not to mention the > "terrorist until proven innocent" treatment. ;-) Thus far I've been lucky with the TSA and found them courteous and reasonably efficient. The longest queue by far I've ever had for immigration was at Vancouver for IETF70, where the shape of the queueing system coincidentally resembled the Hilbert space-filling curves we were playing with at the time. I am slightly concerned about the relatively short time for my connection at YUL, though - I've only got 1h05 between scheduled landing from LHR and the hop out to YQB. Ray ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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Ray, The only European operator into YBQ appears to be Air Transat (whoever the heck they are) and they only fly from Marseille and Paris. They are pretty famous, for running out of fuel over the Atlantic. (Luckily, everyone survived.) I'm flying BA to Montreal and taking the short city hopper flight to YBQ from there. I'm still wondering what route to take, the alliance that I use (OneWorld) does not serve Quebec City too well. Maybe I'll pick some two hop solution to a nearby city such as Montreal and then drive the rest of the way, or a three hop approach that involves Air Canada for the last leg. Apparently, Iceland Air could also deliver me to Quebec in three hops. In any case, looking very much forward to Quebec City! Jari ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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> -Original Message- > From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ray > Bellis > Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 6:29 AM > To: ietf@ietf.org > Subject: Re: whine, whine, whine > > The only European operator into YBQ appears to be Air Transat (whoever > the heck they are) and they only fly from Marseille and Paris. They're actually a lesser-known Canadian airline, based out of Montreal. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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Earlier, Ray Bellis wrote: > The only ... operator into YBQ appears to be Air Transat > (whoever the heck they are) and they only fly from Marseille and Paris. I have been told that Air Transat lacks the many comforts, low & fully-disclosed fees, and general friendliness of Ryan Air. I've never flown Air Transat, so perhaps those reports are exaggerated. Earlier, John Levine wrote: > Their A330s have kneecap killing 31" seat pitch so I would > only fly them if I had a premium seat or at least a guaranteed > exit row. If one believes the information available online at SeatExpert.com or SeatGuru.com, a 31" seat pitch in ordinary Economy cabins is not unusual for an overseas flight on a wide range of airlines (e.g. AA, BA, KL, LH), depending upon aircraft type, by the way. Not all aircraft seats with a given pitch are equally comfortable. Also, many people opt for various forms of "Premium Economy" or select particular aircraft types/configurations -- precisely because they prefer more leg room. Earlier, Klaas Wierenga wrote: > otoh, not having to go through US immigrations saves you about > as much time as you would have saved with a direct flight, > not to mention the "terrorist until proven innocent" treatment. ;-) I agree that minimising the set of security-checks and immigration-steps is desirable for most travel these days. [ For my own part, I share the weariness of the "terrorist until proven innocent" treatment -- that I routinely receive at Heathrow, Frankfurt, and a range of other airports (Singapore being a notable exception). :-] Cheers, Ran PS: Singapore would make a great future A/P region meeting venue. It has outstanding international air connectivity, a wide range of hotel options, outstanding (and affordable) food, consistently pleasant weather, and consistently friendly and helpful local people. :-) ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 6/21/11 3:28 PM, Ray Bellis wrote: > > On 21 Jun 2011, at 14:02, Simon Perreault wrote: > >> Not going to argue about "San Diego vs Québec", but just going to point >> out that multiple carriers do serve Québec. Among them are Air Canada, >> United, Continental, Delta, and US Airways. > > The only European operator into YBQ appears to be Air Transat (whoever the > heck they are) and they only fly from Marseille and Paris. > > I'm flying BA to Montreal and taking the short city hopper flight to YBQ from > there. otoh, not having to go through US immigrations saves you about as much time as you would have saved with a direct flight, not to mention the "terrorist until proven innocent" treatment. ;-) Klaas -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk4AoCYACgkQH2Wy/p4XeFIWogCfW2dn+A+anCx0NIILJ6SPAqLx J9IAn30Txe/eoIzxaF87lgf/sYKFkeG7 =zVIP -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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On 6/21/11 7:20 AM, John R. Levine wrote: >> San Diego is much easier to get to than Quebec City, since multiple >> air carriers serve it. > > You can't fool me. I've been to both. Quebec is a lot closer, and > the food is better. > Hey! Then you haven't been to DZ Akins! ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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On 21 Jun 2011, at 14:37, Tim Chown wrote: For a single operator trip from the UK to Quebec City, there's Air Canada out of Heathrow. You can go via Montreal or other cities. I seem to recall that it was actually somewhat cheaper to fly BA. Although I didn't check economy class... Ray ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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>The only European operator into YQB appears to be Air Transat (whoever >the heck they are) and they only fly from Marseille and Paris. Air Transat is a Montreal-based quasi-charter carrier that specialize in holiday travel. Their A330s have kneecap killing 31" seat pitch so I would only fly them if I had a premium seat or at least a guaranteed exit row. But their fares are often quite cheap. R's, John ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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On 21 Jun 2011, at 14:28, Ray Bellis wrote: > > On 21 Jun 2011, at 14:02, Simon Perreault wrote: > >> Not going to argue about "San Diego vs Québec", but just going to point >> out that multiple carriers do serve Québec. Among them are Air Canada, >> United, Continental, Delta, and US Airways. > > The only European operator into YBQ appears to be Air Transat (whoever the > heck they are) and they only fly from Marseille and Paris. > > I'm flying BA to Montreal and taking the short city hopper flight to YBQ from > there. For a single operator trip from the UK to Quebec City, there's Air Canada out of Heathrow. You can go via Montreal or other cities. Tim ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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Le 21/06/2011 15:28, Ray Bellis a écrit : On 21 Jun 2011, at 14:02, Simon Perreault wrote: Not going to argue about "San Diego vs Québec", but just going to point out that multiple carriers do serve Québec. Among them are Air Canada, United, Continental, Delta, and US Airways. The only European operator into YBQ appears to be Air Transat (whoever the heck they are) and they only fly from Marseille and Paris. Wikipedia says Air Transat is a Canadian company. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Transat I'm flying BA to Montreal and taking the short city hopper flight to YBQ from there. Ray ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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On 21 Jun 2011, at 14:02, Simon Perreault wrote: > Not going to argue about "San Diego vs Québec", but just going to point > out that multiple carriers do serve Québec. Among them are Air Canada, > United, Continental, Delta, and US Airways. The only European operator into YBQ appears to be Air Transat (whoever the heck they are) and they only fly from Marseille and Paris. I'm flying BA to Montreal and taking the short city hopper flight to YBQ from there. Ray ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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>>* There is no usable bus from the airport (it runs only at commuter >> hours) and a taxi costs C$32.50 > >You're absolutely right about this. The people of Québec are >not happy about this situation and often complain in the >media. It makes for a bad first impression. We'll try to >organize taxi pools somehow, stay tuned and read 81attend...@ietf.org. > >Assuming the others bullets were jokes... ;) One could wish so, but you obviously haven't seen what kind of things people use to whine about when it comes to IETF meetings... :) Regards, Christer ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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On 2011-06-21 01:06, Randall Gellens wrote: > San Diego is much easier to get to than Quebec City, since multiple air > carriers serve it. Not going to argue about "San Diego vs Québec", but just going to point out that multiple carriers do serve Québec. Among them are Air Canada, United, Continental, Delta, and US Airways. See http://ietf81.ca/?page_id=10 Simon -- DTN made easy, lean, and smart --> http://postellation.viagenie.ca NAT64/DNS64 open-source--> http://ecdysis.viagenie.ca STUN/TURN server --> http://numb.viagenie.ca ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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On 2011-06-20 23:52, John Levine wrote: > * There is no usable bus from the airport (it runs only at commuter > hours) and a taxi costs C$32.50 You're absolutely right about this. The people of Québec are not happy about this situation and often complain in the media. It makes for a bad first impression. We'll try to organize taxi pools somehow, stay tuned and read 81attend...@ietf.org. Assuming the others bullets were jokes... ;) Simon -- DTN made easy, lean, and smart --> http://postellation.viagenie.ca NAT64/DNS64 open-source--> http://ecdysis.viagenie.ca STUN/TURN server --> http://numb.viagenie.ca ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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San Diego is much easier to get to than Quebec City, since multiple air carriers serve it. You can't fool me. I've been to both. Quebec is a lot closer, and the food is better. R's, John ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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At 3:52 AM + 6/21/11, John Levine wrote: Quebec has been in the exact same location for over 400 years. It's not like its a secret to anyone who can look at a map. It may not be as easy to get to as, say, Toronto or Chicago, but (at least from where I live) it's a lot easier to get to than a remote armpit like, oh, San Diego. San Diego is much easier to get to than Quebec City, since multiple air carriers serve it. Vancouver is a lot better than San Diego because it has a number of direct international flights, making it much easier still for those from outside North America. I'd agree that San Diego isn't a great location for an IETF, for one reason because we'd have to be at either a hotel too far to walk anywhere or in a conference center. (By the way, BA just resumed non-stop flights between London and San Diego, but I discount that because it's only one flight on one airline.) -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal;facts are suspect;I speak for myself only -- Randomly selected tag: --- 2 + 2 = 5 for extremely large values of 2. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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>My recollection, which of course could easily be flawed, is that the >survey did not make clear that travel is significantly more difficult >to Quebec than other Canadian cities, nor that hotels are more >expensive. The hotels in Quebec are no more expensive than hotels in other cities where the IETF might meet such as Montreal, Toronto, or Vancouver. If anything, they're cheaper. Look up some prices on Hotwire ($101/night for three stars within 1/2 mi of convention centre) or Expedia or Orbitz if you don't believe it. The Laval university dorms, which people tell me are pretty nice, are a reasonable option if you want cheap, and are a steal at $51. Quebec has been in the exact same location for over 400 years. It's not like its a secret to anyone who can look at a map. It may not be as easy to get to as, say, Toronto or Chicago, but (at least from where I live) it's a lot easier to get to than a remote armpit like, oh, San Diego. Since I am your pal, here is a preview of more things to complain about: * There is no usable bus from the airport (it runs only at commuter hours) and a taxi costs C$32.50 * Nobody will accept US money at par any more, if they accept it at all. Your bank probably does not have a branch in Quebec. * The social event is in the lower city, which is down steep and inconvenient streets, stairs, and/or funicular from the upper city where the meeting and most hotels are. Even worse, you will have to go up those steep streets, stairs, and/or funicular after the event when you are too drunk to remember where your hotel is. * The city has historic monuments which are insulting to the Americans who failed to capture the city in 1775. * And worst of all, everyone speaks French. See you all there, John ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
