Re: Mailing Lists
On Wed, 15 Aug 2001 09:43:55 EDT, Meritt James said: Which Jim? We are BOTH James? Bruce, Bruce, Bruce, Bruce and myself.. But my name's not Bruce Well, that's going to make it a bit confusing, isn't it? (With apologies to Monty Python) /Valdis (who never seems to have that problem for some reason...) PGP signature
Re: Mailing Lists
Why should a firewall or virus protection be necessary? It should be intuitively obvious just looking at the attachment name. James K. Murray (AMSS Domain) wrote: There can be nothing more irritating than receiving several dozen Emails with attachments, each containing a virus! Fortunately, both my firewall and virus protection software trapped the little bugger. PLEASE REMOVE ME FROM YOUR MAILING LIST !!! James - Original Message - From: AMSS Hotmail To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 5:49 PM Subject: Mailing Lists Please remove me from the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list. It is really becoming quite burdensome, 2MB attachments and hundreds of Emails daily. The Email address to be removed is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You! Best Regards, James K. Murray President A. M. Software Services, Inc. (718) 978-3956 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://AMSoftwareServices.com -- James W. Meritt, CISSP, CISA Booz, Allen Hamilton phone: (410) 684-6566
RE: Mailing Lists
More likely Jim needs to learn the finer points of subscribe unsubscribe to mailing lists. jbuda -Original Message- From: Meritt James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 4:20 PM To: James K. Murray (AMSS Domain) Cc: AMSS Hotmail; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Mailing Lists Why should a firewall or virus protection be necessary? It should be intuitively obvious just looking at the attachment name. James K. Murray (AMSS Domain) wrote: There can be nothing more irritating than receiving several dozen Emails with attachments, each containing a virus! Fortunately, both my firewall and virus protection software trapped the little bugger. PLEASE REMOVE ME FROM YOUR MAILING LIST !!! James - Original Message - From: AMSS Hotmail To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 5:49 PM Subject: Mailing Lists Please remove me from the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list. It is really becoming quite burdensome, 2MB attachments and hundreds of Emails daily. The Email address to be removed is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You! Best Regards, James K. Murray President A. M. Software Services, Inc. (718) 978-3956 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://AMSoftwareServices.com -- James W. Meritt, CISSP, CISA Booz, Allen Hamilton phone: (410) 684-6566
duplicate messages on IETF mailing lists
A number of messages sent to various IETF mailing lists have arrived in multiple copies. One such message (just an example that I received five times) is [EMAIL PROTECTED]. According to Received lines, this message was received once by astro.cs.utk.edu with an internal id of NAA18284 on Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:53:38 -0400 (EDT). It was then received by odin.ietf.org with id NAA16715 on Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:54:01 -0400 (EDT); with id OAA18788 on Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:14:11 -0400 (EDT); with id OAA21900 on Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:44:11 -0400 (EDT); with id PAA25476 on Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:14:10 -0400 (EDT); with id PAA28761 on Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:44:13 -0400 (EDT). It appears that astro.cs.utk.edu has transmitted the message at least five times, with probably sendmail running with `-q30m' option, the message was transmitted successfully, but astro.cs.utk.edu didn't learn about the success at least the first four times. The only reasonable explanation for this behaviour would be that odin.ietf.org is in violation of RFC1047 (or that astro is broken, which is ruled out by the fact that there are numerous messages from various places sent to various ietf.org lists that arrived in duplicates and triplicates). Since odin says it runs Sendmail 8.9.1a, while in fact that's not what's listening to the incoming SMTP connections (it looks like smap or some other filter) it's hard to actually debug anything. Pure minimal SMTP listener: $ telnet odin.ietf.org 25 Trying 132.151.1.176... Connected to odin.ietf.org. Escape character is '^]'. 220 *2**200**200***0*00 * EHLO cain 500 Command unrecognized: cain HELP 500 Command unrecognized: QUIT 221 ietf.org closing connection Connection closed by foreign host. May I suggest installing Postfix or a recent version of Sendmail on odin.ietf.org? -- Stanislav Shalunov http://www.internet2.edu/~shalunov/ .signature: I/O Error
Re: duplicate messages on IETF mailing lists
On Thu, 26 Jul 2001 07:54:51 MDT, Vernon Schryver [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: This morning (7/27) ietf.org or optimus.ietf.org claims via the HELP command to be running Sendmail 8.9.1a. There are reasons that many people consider sufficent to switch from ancient 8.9 to current 8.11.4 or even 8.12.0. Hey wait a minute - I'm not done finding bugs in the 8.12.0 betas (just caught one yesterday, in fact ;) Actually, it's fairly stable, and in public beta. But remember guys, 8.12.0 *IS* still beta. On the other hand, the general consensus at a recent get-together of Sendmail people was that running anything pre 8.9.3 isn't a good idea at all in today's Internet. Upgrade to 8.11.4, or 8.12.0 will be out very shortly. -- Valdis Kletnieks Operating Systems Analyst Virginia Tech PGP signature
Re: duplicate messages on IETF mailing lists
Vernon Schryver [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Please consider the rest of RFC 1047, and note that while other messages have been duplicated, only that one was multipled a dozen times. There were other messages that were delivered multiple times, including those large virus files that mostly came two or three times. Here are just a few: 4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Since at least about 8.11.1, sendmail has had a default hour or two timeout for the DATA command. The fact that the messages from astro.cs.utk.edu were coming more frequently than once an hour is evidence that it has shorter than default sendmail timeout, and might be related those duplicates. Timeout.datafinal is, indeed, usually 1 hour. The astro machine must be using a shorter timeout, but other machines have delivered messages multiple times, too. Incidentally, this happens to include your machine, which delivered the message [EMAIL PROTECTED] (your internal id f6JF51CK005137) to odin.ietf.org on Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:04:07 -0400 (EDT) and then again, less than three minutes later, on Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:06:43 -0400 (EDT) [timestamps generated by odin]. This morning (7/27) ietf.org or optimus.ietf.org claims via the HELP command to be running Sendmail 8.9.1a. There are reasons that many people consider sufficent to switch from ancient 8.9 to current 8.11.4 or even 8.12.0. Why would you look at optimus.ietf.org when ietf.org has a single MX record: odin.ietf.org? ietf.org43200 INMX 10 odin.ietf.org $ telnet odin.ietf.org 25 Trying 132.151.1.176... Connected to odin.ietf.org. Escape character is '^]'. 220 *2**2000*00 * HELP 500 Command unrecognized: QUIT 221 ietf.org closing connection This clearly is no sendmail. And whatever it is, it clearly is causing trouble with duplicates. -- Stanislav Shalunov http://www.internet2.edu/~shalunov/ According to my math: 2**32 = 4,294,967,295 [...] -- John S. Giltner, Jr. in comp.protocols.tcp-ip, 20010305
