Re: [ietf-privacy] [Int-area] WG Adoption

2014-06-06 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 06/06/2014 08:42, Joel M. Halpern wrote:
 Brian, in my experience working group adoption is more than the working
 group agreeing to work on the topic.  It is generally the working group
 agreeing that the given document is a good basis for starting the work.
  Yes, there will almost always be need for improvement.  Sometimes major
 improvement.  But it is an agreement that this is a good starting point.
 
 Without commenting on the specific document, leaving out that
 consideration in your response to Stephen makes the discussion MUCH harder.

Well, not harder than suggesting immediate /dev/null I think.

Also, there is history here (RFC6269 and RFC6967) so I think it's
clear that the topic is appropriate for the WG. There is a real
problem caused by NAT, compared with the theoretically normal
case where the host's globally unique address is visible to all.

   Brian

 
 Yours,
 Joel
 
 On 6/5/14, 4:28 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
 ...
 I have to call you on that. WG adoption is not approval. It's agreement
 to work on a topic. It is not OK to attempt a pocket veto on adoption
 because you don't like the existing content.
 ...
 

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Re: [ietf-privacy] [Int-area] WG Adoption

2014-06-05 Thread Joel M. Halpern
Brian, in my experience working group adoption is more than the working 
group agreeing to work on the topic.  It is generally the working group 
agreeing that the given document is a good basis for starting the work. 
 Yes, there will almost always be need for improvement.  Sometimes 
major improvement.  But it is an agreement that this is a good starting 
point.


Without commenting on the specific document, leaving out that 
consideration in your response to Stephen makes the discussion MUCH harder.


Yours,
Joel

On 6/5/14, 4:28 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
...

I have to call you on that. WG adoption is not approval. It's agreement
to work on a topic. It is not OK to attempt a pocket veto on adoption
because you don't like the existing content.

...

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