[Ifeffit] Projekt with the flatten-problem

2007-01-11 Thread Jens Kruse

Hi,

find attached an example with the flatten-problem.
thanks a lot,

jens




Hi,

I have a normalization problem with Athena. If I turn on the flatten 
option in the background removal section, Athena creates in some of the 
normalized spectra a step in the pre-edge range.  How can I  get rid of it?


Thanks,

jens


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Re: [Ifeffit] Re: ZnO Artemis demo - problem with dr parameter

2007-01-11 Thread Scott Calvin

Hi Craig,

The correct version of the example has now been uploaded to the Ifeffit Wiki:

http://cars9.uchicago.edu/iffwiki/HoraeSoftware

--Scott Calvin
Sarah Lawrence College

At 11:09 AM 1/9/2007, Scott Calvin wrote:

Hi Craig,

I'm cc'ing this to the Ifeffit mailing list, as others may encounter 
similar problems.


It's not your novice-ness that's causing the problem; it's a version 
issue. I wrote the ZnO example when an older version of the software 
was current. Since then, dr became a reserved variable, and can't 
be user defined. (Bruce could probably give the reason for that 
change.) I fixed that, but it looks like the older version of the 
tutorial is being included with the current distributions of Ifeffit 
and friends. We'll fix that. In the meanwhile, though, you can just 
change the variable names by hand to delr or something like that 
(you have to change them in both the GDS screen and the path 
screens, or course). Sorry about that.





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RE: [Ifeffit] Projekt with the flatten-problem

2007-01-11 Thread Kelly, Shelly D.
Hi Jens,

I believe the problem is related to the structure in the data before E0.
If you choose e0 to be at the beginning of the structure then the
normalization is handled better by Athena.  Take a look at the attached
project file.  The first data set with e0 on the edge as you would
choose for EXAFS analysis (e1) shows the error that Jens reported.  The
second data set with a lower value for e0 at the beginning of the
structure (e2) gets the job done.

Cheers,
Shelly

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9700 S. Cass Ave
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Molecular Environmental Science Group
www.mesg.anl.gov
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
phone: 630-252-7376


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 Subject: [Ifeffit] Projekt with the flatten-problem
 
 Hi,
 
 find attached an example with the flatten-problem.
 thanks a lot,
 
 jens
 
 
 
 
 Hi,
 
 I have a normalization problem with Athena. If I turn on the flatten
 option in the background removal section, Athena creates in some of
the
 normalized spectra a step in the pre-edge range.  How can I  get rid
of
 it?
 
 Thanks,
 
 jens


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RE: [Ifeffit] Projekt with the flatten-problem

2007-01-11 Thread Barton, David (DG)
Jens,

It appears to me that the E-shift is causing the problems with the step in the 
pre-edge data. Shelly's data only appears to remove the step because the 
pre-edge and the extrapolated post-edge plots are nearly parallel. If you 
adjust the Normalization range in Shelly's data you will see the step appear 
again.

However, if you set the E-shift to zero and reset Eo, pre-edge range, and 
normalization range (to your liking) you will see that the step is goes away.  
So the work around would be to subtract the E-shift from your Raw data, then 
import into Athena and do not use any E-shift.

Bruce or Matt may have to comment, but it appears to me that the 
normalization/flatten routine may not be dealing with the E-shift appropriately.

Dave

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Subject: RE: [Ifeffit] Projekt with the flatten-problem

Hi Jens,

I believe the problem is related to the structure in the data 
before E0.
If you choose e0 to be at the beginning of the structure then 
the normalization is handled better by Athena.  Take a look at 
the attached project file.  The first data set with e0 on the 
edge as you would choose for EXAFS analysis (e1) shows the 
error that Jens reported.  The second data set with a lower 
value for e0 at the beginning of the structure (e2) gets the job done.

Cheers,
Shelly

---
Shelly Kelly
Argonne National Laboratory
Bldg 203, RM E113
9700 S. Cass Ave
Argonne, IL 60439

Molecular Environmental Science Group
www.mesg.anl.gov
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
phone: 630-252-7376


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:ifeffit- 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jens Kruse
 Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 2:38 AM
 To: Athena mailing List
 Subject: [Ifeffit] Projekt with the flatten-problem
 
 Hi,
 
 find attached an example with the flatten-problem.
 thanks a lot,
 
 jens
 
 
 
 
 Hi,
 
 I have a normalization problem with Athena. If I turn on the 
flatten
 option in the background removal section, Athena creates in some of
the
 normalized spectra a step in the pre-edge range.  How can I  get rid
of
 it?
 
 Thanks,
 
 jens

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RE: [Ifeffit] Projekt with the flatten-problem

2007-01-11 Thread Kelly, Shelly D.
Good going Dave.  I think that you are correct.

Shelly

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 Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 10:49 AM
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 Subject: RE: [Ifeffit] Projekt with the flatten-problem
 
 Jens,
 
 It appears to me that the E-shift is causing the problems with the
step in
 the pre-edge data. Shelly's data only appears to remove the step
because
 the pre-edge and the extrapolated post-edge plots are nearly parallel.
If
 you adjust the Normalization range in Shelly's data you will see the
step
 appear again.
 
 However, if you set the E-shift to zero and reset Eo, pre-edge range,
and
 normalization range (to your liking) you will see that the step is
goes
 away.  So the work around would be to subtract the E-shift from your
Raw
 data, then import into Athena and do not use any E-shift.
 
 Bruce or Matt may have to comment, but it appears to me that the
 normalization/flatten routine may not be dealing with the E-shift
 appropriately.
 
 Dave
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
 Of Kelly, Shelly D.
 Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 11:11 AM
 To: XAFS Analysis using Ifeffit
 Subject: RE: [Ifeffit] Projekt with the flatten-problem
 
 Hi Jens,
 
 I believe the problem is related to the structure in the data
 before E0.
 If you choose e0 to be at the beginning of the structure then
 the normalization is handled better by Athena.  Take a look at
 the attached project file.  The first data set with e0 on the
 edge as you would choose for EXAFS analysis (e1) shows the
 error that Jens reported.  The second data set with a lower
 value for e0 at the beginning of the structure (e2) gets the job
done.
 
 Cheers,
 Shelly
 
 ---
 Shelly Kelly
 Argonne National Laboratory
 Bldg 203, RM E113
 9700 S. Cass Ave
 Argonne, IL 60439
 
 Molecular Environmental Science Group
 www.mesg.anl.gov
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 phone: 630-252-7376
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:ifeffit-
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jens Kruse
  Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 2:38 AM
  To: Athena mailing List
  Subject: [Ifeffit] Projekt with the flatten-problem
 
  Hi,
 
  find attached an example with the flatten-problem.
  thanks a lot,
 
  jens
 
 
 
 
  Hi,
 
  I have a normalization problem with Athena. If I turn on the
 flatten
  option in the background removal section, Athena creates in some of
 the
  normalized spectra a step in the pre-edge range.  How can I  get
rid
 of
  it?
 
  Thanks,
 
  jens
 
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