Re: [ilugd] OSS alternative to SPSS

2006-09-19 Thread anandsha
Those of us who attended the recent Freedel know the answer 

R

http://r-project.org

anand

- Original Message -
From: Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 7:18 pm
Subject: Re: [ilugd] OSS alternative to SPSS

 
 On 19-Sep-06, at 7:07 PM, Nishant Sharma wrote:
 
  Octave is equivalent to matlab
 
 how does octave compare with scilab?
 
 
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 regards
 
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[ilugd] [Commercial] AE(Trainee) vaccancies at POWERGRID

2006-09-06 Thread anandsha

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Looking for B.E/B.Tech/ B.Sc (Engg.) in (IT/ Computer Engg/Computer Science)/ 
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[ilugd] [Commercial] Asterisk Consultancy

2006-07-07 Thread anandsha

Companies / Consultants with prior established experience in Asterisk 
[www.asterisk.org] Open Source VoIP please contact me off mailing list.

Anand Shankar

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[ilugd] Digital Signatures vs PGP

2006-06-14 Thread anandsha
Could some one enlighten me on the fundamental differences betweenn PGP and 
Digital Signatures obtained through a CA. Yes I know that CA is not required 
under PGP, that it is a Web of Trust Model and that it does not enjoy a legal 
weight in India at least.

What I want to know is the differences in algorithms and relative advantages 
disadvantages.

Can I import Public Keys of person whos his public keys from a CA into a PGP 
tool?

How do I install a keyserver on my LAN??




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Re: [ilugd] ILUGD Monthly Meeting, June 2006

2006-06-10 Thread anandsha

From: Baishampayan Ghose [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 I would recommend the showing of Prof. Eben Moglen's keynote in the 
 RedHat Summit in Nashville this month. It is one of the best Free 
 Softwaretalks I have seen / heard in recent times. Extremely 
 inspiring and
 highly recommended.
 http://www.redhat.com/v/ogg/060606_moglen.ogg
 Regards,
 BG
 


Downloaded and seen that. Thanks for recommending and I am on the lookout for 
similar videos. Kindly let us know of more such references.

I have the video recommended by you as well as the panel discussion video++. I 
still feel that the panel discussion video is more apt for the occasion. Let's 
see if we have time and audience for both videos.

anand


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[ilugd] KNOPPIX5.0.1DVD @ ilugd meet on Jun-11

2006-06-10 Thread anandsha
I have the iso file for Knoppix-5.0.1 DVD. I can transfer the 4GB file to any 
one tommorow to his laptop / desktop. If someone has a DVD Writer and blank 
DVD-R media we can burn a few copies as well.

anand

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Re: [ilugd] ILUGD Monthly Meeting, June 2006

2006-06-08 Thread anandsha
Interested in KNOPPIX-5.0.1-DVD??

Come with Blank DVDs. DVD writers any one??

With the permission of the chair:

If we have an audience, we can see Videos of the panel discussion at the World 
Summit for the Information Society, Tunis on 18 November 2005. Discussion led 
by Richard Stallman (Free Software Foundation), Bruce Perens (SourceLabs), 
Rober Kramer (CompTIA), Shane Wall (Intel), Louis-Dominique Ouedraogo (UN Joint 
Inspection Unit) and Mark Shuttleworth (Ubuntu Foundation). The discussion was 
moderated by Kenneth Cukier (Economist)

anand
- Original Message -
From: Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Monday, June 5, 2006 1:03 pm
Subject: [ilugd] ILUGD Monthly Meeting, June 2006

 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1
 
 Hi,
 
 Very pleased to (finally!) announce the ILUG Delhi monthly meeting for
 June 2006.
 
 Event:ILUG Delhi Monthly Meeting
 
 Date: Sunday, June 11 2006
 
 Time: 14:00 (2pm) onwards
 
 Venue:Nuchem Limited, Faridabad
 
 Agenda:   1. Discussion of Bioinformatics Workshop at JNU
   2. Discussion of General Body Meeting to be held in July
   3. Snakes and chai
   4. Anything else that comes to mind
 
 Participation:Anyone can attend.  A voluntary donation of Rs. 50 or
   more is solicited to cover costs and enhance the kitty.
 
 Directions:   Go down the Delhi-Mathura Road beyond the Badarpur
   border. Cross Badkhal chowk / Ajronda chowk / Bata
   Chowk / YMCA chowk. (The last one is seventh traffic
   signal from border).
 
   After YMCA leave the first gap in verge and take U
   turn back towards Delhi at the second gap (This is
   know as Good-Year chowk) About 500 meter you will see
   IBP Petrol pump at your left. The first gate after
   this pump is Nuchem.
   
   Enter and security will guide you to meeting hall.  If
   you hit Ballabgarh you have missed the turning!!  Take
   a turn back towards Delhi and you will see Good-Year
   and thereafter the petrol pump on your left.
 
 Transport:We'll be hiring a shared A/C Qualis to go from CP to
   Faridabad and back.  The Qualis will leave from in
   front of Nirulas Connaught Place Outer Circle at 1pm.
   If you wish to travel in that, please let me know in
   advance.  The cost would be around Rs. 100/125 per
   head.
 
   You could also come to Munirka (where the Qualis will
   be starting from) and join it from there at 11:30 am.
   No, it's not a typo -- 11:30 am.
 
 Contact:  Mary or me (9811066460).
 
 Regards,
 
 - -- Raju
 - -- 
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Re: [ilugd] OOo-2.0.2 Crashes with SCIM

2006-05-05 Thread anandsha



 --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  OpenOffice crashes while I edit a file with Hindi Text. Using 
 SCIM as
  input method with INSCRIPT keyboard layout with m17n-hi-inscript 
  module
 [...]
 
 Which distribution? SCIM is not very well-integrated and exhibits
 probems on several distributions. Also, it is possible that various
[...]


Thats Fedora Core 5.
I checked up on the environment variables, and they are already setup and 
activated.

anand

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[ilugd] OOo-2.0.2 Crashes with SCIM

2006-05-04 Thread anandsha
OpenOffice crashes while I edit a file with Hindi Text. Using SCIM as input
method with INSCRIPT keyboard layout with m17n-hi-inscript module. I was
correcting a Matra (Vowel Sign) and pressed backspace.

This occurs both on GNOME and KDE. The offending combination is #2350; + 
#2375; + #2306; [ U+092E
+ U0947 + U0902 ]. It happens even while composing, you press U0902 and it 
crashes!!

This is also filed as a bug with OpenOffice.

http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=64925


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Re: [ilugd] FC5 System Hangs just after starting HAL Daemon

2006-04-21 Thread anandsha

 Can you enlist the exact steps after which you experience a hang?
 Or was this when you system boots up  after starting HAL, it hangs?
 
 Thanks,
 Mayank


...]

Ha! Not that this is any help, but I had the same problem, and that too
on a machine where Fedora Core 4 installed normally, and was running
fine for the last eight months. Is yours a 64-bit machine too? I did a
cursory Google search, but gave up and went to Ubuntu Dapper beta.

Regards,
Gora
 
 On 4/19/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On a recently updated Fedora Core 5 installation, System hangs 
 just after starting HAL Daemon. Started the system in character 
 mode init 3, to discover this. The system was updated and 
 operated well for a few days. After I applied recent updates, I 
 remember one of them was xorg related, the system hangs. Alt-F2 etc 
 does'nt present a logon screen...
 
  I am locked. What do I do?
===

That is when I boot up the machine, the machine fails just after HAL Daemon 
starts.  I need to say that FC5 is working fine on 2 other machines I 
installed. I need to know, in what order and on what logical sequence do these 
services startup??

Like Gora, I gave up and have just finished install of a Debian-Testing from a 
Business Card CD. This gives me a minimalistic install. I have now to install 
mrtg, MySql and Syslog-ng on this box, which will be a dedicated headless box. 
I have to harden-up the box before I put the box in production in a LAN 
environment. Any suggestions?

anand

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Re: [ilugd] FC3 GUI Logon Screen Hanging - 2

2006-01-09 Thread anandsha

Alas found a missing link under /usr/lib

link libbz2.so.1 to libbz2.so.1.0.2 was found missing leading to the following 
problems. Making that link brought up the Login screen and I could login to 
KDE. Login to GNOME proceeded, but a question dialog-box hiding behind GNOME 
initialisation GUI Box, complaining of a non-responsive mixer element in the 
panel, was basically holding up GNOME. Answering that question, [could 
accidently gain access to the dialog-box by once clicking on GNOME 
initialisation GUI Box ] deleting the panel item brought GNOME up and working.

Is there a diagonastic which will alert me on any missing links, at least these 
essential links. Changes to any system library link can make behave a Linux box 
in an unpredictable manner for most novice users!!

anand

- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Saturday, January 7, 2006 9:58 am
Subject: Re: [ilugd] FC3 GUI Logon Screen Hanging - 2

 Yet again, Ubuntu cropped up with a problem:
 
 Ubuntu 5.10, Breezy Badger, Kernel 2.6.12-10-386
 
 Clean upto login screen, after giving logon credentials I got a 
 message:
 GDM could not write to your authorization file. This could mean 
 that you are out of disc space or that your home directory could 
 not be opened for writing. In any case, it is not possible to log 
 in. Please contact your System Administrator
 
 I was dropped to shell in my home directory.
 
 I then rebooted the system and at the GRUB boot option, I changed 
 the 'ro' option to 'rw'. It was normal again, and thats how I am 
 able to send this message.
 
 But I have space on the disk, but how come that your home 
 directory could not be opened for writing?
 
 anand
 
 - Original Message -
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Saturday, January 7, 2006 8:08 am
 Subject: [ilugd] FC3 GUI Logon Screen Hanging
 
  Using Fedora Core 3, Kernel 2.6.12-1.1381_FC3.
  
  Of late I started getting the following message:
  
  Could not start the X Server 9your graphical environment) due to 
  some internal error. Please contact your System Administrator or 
  check your syslog to diagonose. In the meantime this display will 
  be disabled. Please restart gdm when the problem is corrected
  
  At first I faced this problem when probably my machine got forced-
  switchoff. So I thought there could be disk inconsistency. I did 
  'fsck -y' on the system. Yet the sme problem. Then I deleted 
  .gnome* folders. I used to get back to a working system.
  
  Yesterday again the same story. Now the bootup proceeds cleanly 
 to 
  just before the Logon screen would have appeared. But instead of 
  logon screen I get into a 'wait state' with the 'damru' not going 
  away, a perennial state. I could 'switchdesk' and get kde but not 
  xfce. I could do this by removing '/tmp/.X0-lock' and booting 
 into 
  text mode - logging in - and then startx.
  
  Strangely enough similar problem showed up on ubuntu which is a 
  different partition. I got a 'Question Dialog which could not 
  display its contents - again a wait state. However, with some of 
  the above 'shooting in the dark' procedures I could get Ubuntu 
  working but not GNOME in my FC3 partition.
  
  I have not disabled udev, though on Google I could find 
 references 
  to such steps. I don't know what it means!!
  
  It seems I need some basics.
  
  anand
  
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[ilugd] FC3 GUI Logon Screen Hanging

2006-01-06 Thread anandsha
Using Fedora Core 3, Kernel 2.6.12-1.1381_FC3.

Of late I started getting the following message:

Could not start the X Server 9your graphical environment) due to some internal 
error. Please contact your System Administrator or check your syslog to 
diagonose. In the meantime this display will be disabled. Please restart gdm 
when the problem is corrected

At first I faced this problem when probably my machine got forced-switchoff. So 
I thought there could be disk inconsistency. I did 'fsck -y' on the system. Yet 
the sme problem. Then I deleted .gnome* folders. I used to get back to a 
working system.

Yesterday again the same story. Now the bootup proceeds cleanly to just before 
the Logon screen would have appeared. But instead of logon screen I get into a 
'wait state' with the 'damru' not going away, a perennial state. I could 
'switchdesk' and get kde but not xfce. I could do this by removing 
'/tmp/.X0-lock' and booting into text mode - logging in - and then startx.

Strangely enough similar problem showed up on ubuntu which is a different 
partition. I got a 'Question Dialog which could not display its contents - 
again a wait state. However, with some of the above 'shooting in the dark' 
procedures I could get Ubuntu working but not GNOME in my FC3 partition.

I have not disabled udev, though on Google I could find references to such 
steps. I don't know what it means!!

It seems I need some basics.

anand

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Re: [ilugd] FC3 GUI Logon Screen Hanging - 2

2006-01-06 Thread anandsha
Yet again, Ubuntu cropped up with a problem:

Ubuntu 5.10, Breezy Badger, Kernel 2.6.12-10-386

Clean upto login screen, after giving logon credentials I got a message:

GDM could not write to your authorization file. This could mean that you are 
out of disc space or that your home directory could not be opened for writing. 
In any case, it is not possible to log in. Please contact your System 
Administrator

I was dropped to shell in my home directory.

I then rebooted the system and at the GRUB boot option, I changed the 'ro' 
option to 'rw'. It was normal again, and thats how I am able to send this 
message.

But I have space on the disk, but how come that your home directory could not 
be opened for writing?

anand

- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Saturday, January 7, 2006 8:08 am
Subject: [ilugd] FC3 GUI Logon Screen Hanging

 Using Fedora Core 3, Kernel 2.6.12-1.1381_FC3.
 
 Of late I started getting the following message:
 
 Could not start the X Server 9your graphical environment) due to 
 some internal error. Please contact your System Administrator or 
 check your syslog to diagonose. In the meantime this display will 
 be disabled. Please restart gdm when the problem is corrected
 
 At first I faced this problem when probably my machine got forced-
 switchoff. So I thought there could be disk inconsistency. I did 
 'fsck -y' on the system. Yet the sme problem. Then I deleted 
 .gnome* folders. I used to get back to a working system.
 
 Yesterday again the same story. Now the bootup proceeds cleanly to 
 just before the Logon screen would have appeared. But instead of 
 logon screen I get into a 'wait state' with the 'damru' not going 
 away, a perennial state. I could 'switchdesk' and get kde but not 
 xfce. I could do this by removing '/tmp/.X0-lock' and booting into 
 text mode - logging in - and then startx.
 
 Strangely enough similar problem showed up on ubuntu which is a 
 different partition. I got a 'Question Dialog which could not 
 display its contents - again a wait state. However, with some of 
 the above 'shooting in the dark' procedures I could get Ubuntu 
 working but not GNOME in my FC3 partition.
 
 I have not disabled udev, though on Google I could find references 
 to such steps. I don't know what it means!!
 
 It seems I need some basics.
 
 anand
 
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[ilugd] Samba - ActiveDirectory 2003 issues

2005-12-28 Thread anandsha
I have configured FC4 machine with Samba-3.0.20b [rpm downloaded from samba 
directly: takes care of MIT Kerberos Library] and configured various options. I 
am able to do the following correctly:

a. Join the FC4 machine to ActiveDirectory Domain [Windows Server 2003 Service 
Pack 1]
b. obtain correctly the output of wbinfo -u
c. Configured /etc/pam.d/samba 


ISSUE-I

I get the following errors in /var/log/samba/log.smbd


[2005/12/29 11:27:47, 1] smbd/process.c:process_smb(1107)
[2005/12/29 11:27:47, 0] lib/util_sock.c:get_peer_addr(1222)
  getpeername failed. Error was Transport endpoint is not connected
  Connection denied from 0.0.0.0
[2005/12/29 11:27:47, 0] lib/util_sock.c:write_data(554)
  write_data: write failure in writing to client 0.0.0.0. Error Connection 
reset by peer
[2005/12/29 11:27:47, 0] lib/util_sock.c:send_smb(762)
  Error writing 5 bytes to client. -1. (Connection reset by peer)
[2005/12/29 11:27:47, 0] smbd/service.c:make_connection(798)
  192.168.3.100 (192.168.3.100) couldn't find service users
[2005/12/29 11:27:48, 0] smbd/service.c:make_connection(798)
  192.168.3.100 (192.168.3.100) couldn't find service os
[2005/12/29 11:28:07, 1] libsmb/ntlmssp.c:ntlmssp_update(252)
  got NTLMSSP command 3, expected 1
[2005/12/29 11:28:07, 1] smbd/service.c:make_connection(731)
  make_connection: refusing to connect with no session setup
[2005/12/29 11:28:08, 0] lib/util_sock.c:read_data(526)
  read_data: read failure for 4 bytes to client 192.168.3.246. Error = 
Connection reset by peer
[2005/12/29 11:28:57, 1] libsmb/ntlmssp.c:ntlmssp_update(252)
  got NTLMSSP command 3, expected 1
[2005/12/29 11:28:57, 1] smbd/service.c:make_connection(731)
  make_connection: refusing to connect with no session setup
[2005/12/29 11:28:58, 0] lib/util_sock.c:read_data(526)
  read_data: read failure for 4 bytes to client 192.168.3.246. Error = 
Connection reset by peer
--

ISSUE - II

By what username should I logon: 
 Username_as_defined_in_Active_Directory
  
 OR

 DOMAINNAMEWinbind Separator '+' in my 
caseUsername_as_defined_in_Active_Directory For eg MYDOMAIN+username


Any insights? Thanks in advance.

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Re: [ilugd] Adding Hindi Keyboard Layout in Ubuntu 5.10

2005-11-20 Thread anandsha
OK. Then what component makes it work. That is, if I were to install a new 
Keymap for a language as yet unsupported, then what??

anand


 it`s working here.
 
 On 11/20/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I installed all packages for Hindi in Ubuntu-5.10 including IIIMF 
 and /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/dev
 
 
  But I am unable to have Hindi Keyboard Layout option in Keyboard 
 Preferences - Layout - Add
 
  /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/dev was not existing in Ubuntu-5.10 
 partition and I copied this file from my Fedora Core 3 partition 
 where this feature was available.
 
  Whats wrong???
 
 
 
  Anand Shankar


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[ilugd] Adding Hindi Keyboard Layout in Ubuntu 5.10

2005-11-19 Thread anandsha
I installed all packages for Hindi in Ubuntu-5.10 including IIIMF and 
/etc/X11/xkb/symbols/dev


But I am unable to have Hindi Keyboard Layout option in Keyboard Preferences - 
Layout - Add

/etc/X11/xkb/symbols/dev was not existing in Ubuntu-5.10 partition and I copied 
this file from my Fedora Core 3 partition where this feature was available.

Whats wrong???



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[ilugd] Adding Hindi Keyboard Layout in Ubuntu 5.10

2005-11-19 Thread anandsha
I installed all packages for Hindi in Ubuntu-5.10 including IIIMF and 
/etc/X11/xkb/symbols/dev


But I am unable to have Hindi Keyboard Layout option in Keyboard Preferences - 
Layout - Add

/etc/X11/xkb/symbols/dev was not existing in Ubuntu-5.10 partition and I copied 
this file from my Fedora Core 3 partition where this feature was available.

Whats wrong???


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[ilugd] Strange GNOME experience

2005-10-29 Thread anandsha
My 8-year daughter put me in an unforeseen Linux experience. She started doing 
all sorts of newbie learning in her GNOME login. I did learn some additional 
tricks. But now, I do'nt know what she did where, the moment you minimise a 
window, it simply vanishes.

Vanish where?? What property got changed and how do I restore it back?



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[ilugd] Planning a maiden Linux setup

2005-09-28 Thread anandsha
This issue has been discussed many a times at various fora, but would like to 
refresh just before attempting one.

I am planning to setup a large, maiden linux desktop installation in a Windows 
Centric Environment. Hard realities at ground (1) 99% users will be first 
timers, many may not have heard of it before!! (2) Lack of trained support 
staff, learn by burning your hands, looks like to be the fact of day.

Parameters

1. Single sign on to be achieved with Win2K3-SP1 Active Directory Servers: 
Samba 3.0.20 is the solution in this case, which only FC4 provides as a 
pre-built binary.

2. It is being planned that Desktops will reach end-user stations ready with 
Linux Partitions. I feel that proposed Linux installation preferably use http 
method of installtion along with a kick-start file.

3. With my prior experience, tend to prefer FC. But would like to use the 
updated un-official FC4 distro.

4. Would have to setup a local LAN based repository, so that it is easier to 
install updates.

5. The Windows partition is being already populated with Open Source programs 
viz: OpenOffice2.0, Firefox1.0.7, GAIM, GIMP, Dia, Planner etc to familiarise 
the users. Trainings on these programs is planned to be taken up progressively. 

6. Also planning to setup a FreeNX sever.

7. Should support Hindi as one of the enabled languages.



Require suggestions for setup, selection of appropirate distro, and deployment 
strategy. Experiences in such environment are welcome.



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Re: [ilugd] Acers laptop ads

2005-09-24 Thread anandsha


- Original Message -
From: Sudev Barar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Saturday, September 24, 2005 9:49 am
Subject: Re: [ilugd] Acers laptop ads

 On 9/23/05, Sandip Bhattacharya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I wonder how many folks here have read the fine print in the 
 latest of Acer's
  Sub 40k notebook ads. They bundle Linux on them, and mention 
 at the bottom
  in small print, something like this:
 
  The linux that is preloaded is a free version and would have 
 limited functionality until another operating system is installed.
 
  Is this another way for these hardware vendors to appease 
 Microsoft while
  trying to sell budget notebooks bundled with Linux?
 
 I can not comment on intentions of other potential users but Limpus
 Linux that came preinstalled on this laptop was nothing to even try.
 Loading Ubuntu/FC3/FC4 fialed. Debian/FC2/CentOS/RHEL-WS works but
 barely as there seems to be somespecific hardware issue with
 read-writes. hdparm says DMA is enabled, dmesg says otherwise. And I
 am struggling for last four weeks and ruing my decision to purchase
 WiFi enabled note book.
 OTOH the other note book - Acer celeron works cool!
 --
 Sudev Barar
 Learning Linux
 


I do'nt remember which is the exact model, but I had to give a blast to the 
sales person from one of these Acer shops who came to my office for a demo. I 
was shocked to see that the said Linux based Acer laptop came with Linux 
installed but just the Command Line Interface, enough to scare away potential 
newbie / someone willing to move over to Linux. I tend to think that it is an 
institutional prompting by Acer to buy cheaper laptops and have the customer do 
the piracy part without putting itself to risk.

anand
 

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[ilugd] yum install exits on no Public Key

2005-08-23 Thread anandsha
Yum install exits after the following message.


-
Total download size: 9.5 M
Is this ok [y/N]: y
Downloading Packages:
warning: rpmts_HdrFromFdno: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID a109b1ec
public key not available for xvidcore-1.0.3-0.lvn.1.3.i386.rpm



Any optional parameters to proceed despite this error? yum -t install package 
does not help.

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[ilugd] Linux LAN and BSNL Dataone

2005-08-21 Thread anandsha
I am trying to have 2 Linux machines connected via a switch, and share the
BSNL Dataone ADSL Broadband connection. 


|PC-1: 192.168.1.2 eth0|---|MT800 Modem+Router:192.168.1.1}--BSNL Network--
|  192.168.2.2 eth1|
   |---{SWITCH}--|PC-2: 192.168.2.3 eth0|


It should be possible to add more number of machines on the switch.

I am connected and browsing comfortably with PC-1.

From PC-2, I am able to Ping PC-1 192.168.2.2 and 192.168.1.2, but NOT
192.168.1.1

The routing table on PC-1 is placed below:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# route -n
Kernel IP routing table
Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface
192.168.2.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0   U 0  00 eth1
192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0   U 0  00 eth0
169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0  00 eth1
0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG0  00 eth0

The routing table on PC-2 is placed below:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# route -n
Kernel IP routing table
Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface
192.168.2.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0   U 0  00 eth0
169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0  00 eth0
0.0.0.0 192.168.2.2 0.0.0.0 UG0  00 eth0

I am unable to browse Internet on PC-2. What's the problem??

Many thanks in advance.

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Re: [ilugd] BSNL Broadband (Dataone) from Linux

2005-05-26 Thread anandsha
- Original Message -
From: Ajay Mulwani [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, May 26, 2005 2:21 pm
Subject: Re: [ilugd] BSNL Broadband (Dataone) from Linux

  
  I would like to know if anyone else in this group is using Dataone
  (from Noida/Gurgaon/Ghaziabad/Faridabad) and how is his/her
  experience.
  



I am using it in Faridabad on Linux FC3, runs fantastic!!





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[ilugd] Subsys Dead, syslog-ng and SELinux

2005-05-10 Thread anandsha
I recently installed syslog-ng successfully on a FC3-SELinux enabled box. 
Everything is fine except that:

# service syslog-ng status

syslog-ng dead but subsys locked

# ls --context /var/lock/subsys/syslog-ng

-rw--- root root root:object_r:var_lock_t syslog-ng

The root:object_r:var_lock_t should have been user_u:object_r:var_lock_t, and 
that is what is causing syslog-ng daemon to die. Also, the file permissions 
generally are 666.

One easy way is to switch off SELinux for syslog-ng, but is there a better 
way?? Why are the permissions wrong??



Sorry, I had to re-post this, after I first posted at http://lug-delhi.org, the 
on line web front end to the mailing list. The post did not appear more than 2 
hours later, neither on the forum nor on the mailing list. Thought it to be 
appropirate to risk a re-post.






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Re: [ilugd] Redhat 9.0 on SATA

2005-04-12 Thread anandsha
Not supported on RH9.0 to the best of my knowledge. Try FC3 or RHEL4.

I am stuck with my recent MSI Motherboard, apparently not supporting Boot from 
SATA Harddisk, ie I want GRUB on my SATA disk.

Hints??

Anand Shankar

- Original Message -
From: rakesh jaiswal [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 10:17 am
Subject: [ilugd] Redhat 9.0 on SATA

 Hi,
 
 I have Dell SC420 with SATA HDD, i want to install redhat 9, but 
 SATA does not detect during installation. Please someone help..
 
 
 Rakesh Jaiswal  
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[ilugd] Mounting SATA HDD and USB Drives

2005-03-28 Thread anandsha
Default Knoopix 3.7 got confused the moment I added SATA HDD to my system. 
Earlier it used to mount USB Drive as /dev/uba (Kernel 2.6) or /dev/sda1 
(Kernel 2.4) but with SATA it refused to identify my USB Drive.

How should I mount SATA and USB drives? Is it /dev/sda and /dev/sdb ? Any 
pointers


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[ilugd] How much RAM ? : dmesg vs /proc/memnfo

2005-03-22 Thread anandsha
I am stuck. I have to establish how much RAM does this Industrial PC running 
linux has?

===
dmesg output states

RAM disk driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 8192k size

===
cat /proc/meminfo states

total  usedfree  shared  buffers  cached
mem 263487488  232853504 30633984  226672640  37904384 69111808

===


In my opinion I must only recognise dmesg output and state that the PC has 
128MB RAM.

Am I correct?? Any other suggestion. I have no access to BIOS.




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Re: [ilugd] FLOSS Advocacy on a Business Card

2005-03-08 Thread anandsha
- Original Message -
From: satyakam goswami [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wednesday, March 9, 2005 1:05 am
Subject: Re: [ilugd] FLOSS Advocacy on a Business Card

  I know of a Linux Project, which produces A4 size Catalogue for 
 similar 
  purpose. Do u know of any links or any such card in existence, 
 before I 
  start my effort?? I could'nt find much via Google.
 http://www.lnx-bbc.org/
 
 satyakam
 
===

I clarify, I am not looking for a bootable Business card CD, I am looking for a 
printed FLOSS Advocacy text on a Business Card!!

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Re: [ilugd] Enquiry about linux

2005-03-03 Thread anandsha
Finally it appears that it is just possible to have as many Linux Distributions 
as groups of people who think this is the right thing for them. You will 
agree that your right is not my right. The group's strength here depends on 
the degree of consensus of what is right. These are more of ethical 
principles of what is right. There can be no law on it.

ILUGD as a group stresses and emphasises the virtues and philosophy behind the 
F/LOSS movement. It certainly can be hoped that each member understands which 
product stands up to that principles and which one does not. After that, it is 
individuals choice and the circumstances which make him take the appropirate 
decision.

Remember FLOSS stresses Freedom of Choice.

Anand Shankar

- Original Message -
From: Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, March 3, 2005 10:52 am
Subject: Re: [ilugd] Enquiry about linux

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  Arjun == Arjun Asthana [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
Arjun [snip]
Arjun OpenLX because it is indian and has many
Arjun added stuff over FC. It contains CollabCAD, Kalculate,
Arjun Flash player, Sun's Java, bootsplash etc. Normally, you
Arjun wouldn't find these in any other distros. Also, it is
Arjun backed by the company which created Kalculate, the
Arjun accounting package for linux.
 
 ...and which is not free.  To my mind, if one is advocating non-free
 software one may as well start advocating Winduhs and be done with it.
 
 Regards,
 
 - -- Raju
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[ilugd] Scribus 1.3.0 to Support CTL - Indic Languages

2005-02-16 Thread anandsha
Complex Script Languages Supported in Scribus 1.3.x
The Scribus Team and various contributors began work a few months ago on 1.3.x 
development and the fruits of this are beginning to show. The Scribus Team is 
pleased to present some early stage screenshots of support for complex 
non-Latin languages.

http://www.scribus.org.uk/modules.php?op=modloadname=Newsfile=articlesid=84mode=threadorder=0thold=0

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Re: [ilugd] FC#3 needed

2005-01-08 Thread anandsha

They are also available as CD images on the DVD of January 2005 Digit issue.

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[ilugd] Indemnification Linux vs Windows

2004-10-28 Thread anandsha
Recommended Reads:

http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/execmail/

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2004102717385992

Anand Shankar

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Re: [ilugd] Programme for LDD 2k4

2004-09-24 Thread anandsha

I find session on localisation missing in the program. It seems the speaker tripped. I 
volunteer to do the session in the evening if there is time and someone is interested.

Anand Shankar
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From: Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, September 23, 2004 2:59 pm
Subject: [ilugd] Programme for LDD 2k4

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 Hi,
 
 The programme for Linux Demo Day 2004 is up.  Hit:
 
  http://linux-delhi.org/ldd2k4/
 
 and get either of the OpenOffice or PDF files linked at the bottom of
 the page.
 
 Regards,
 
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Re: [ilugd] Volunteer, Demo and Speaker Meet

2004-09-21 Thread anandsha
Too far for me!! I would have to travel from Gurgaon to Cp and CP to Faridabad. I can 
manage South Delhi!

anand

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From: Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 1:59 am
Subject: [ilugd] Volunteer, Demo and Speaker Meet

 Hi,
 
 Can the volunteers, demonstrators(?) and speakers get together for a
 pre-event Meet tomorrow (Wednesday the 23rd) at Connaught Place around
 7pm?  I hope CP would be fine for people coming from all parts of
 Delhi.
 


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Re: [ilugd] grub (in pata) can't boot winxp (in sata)

2004-09-21 Thread anandsha

I hazard a guess and I may be wrong! 

SATA support in Kernel 2.4 was recently backported from Kernel 2.6. Check out for SATA 
support in your kernel.


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Subject: [ilugd] grub (in pata) can't boot winxp (in sata)



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Re: [ilugd] LDD2k4 poster draft

2004-09-13 Thread anandsha
I would prefer the second one. Could'nt see ILUGD Logo? My disk out of space?


 http://kandalaya.org/download/ldd2.xcf.bz2


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Re: [ilugd] minutes of the LDD2K4 planning meeting

2004-09-12 Thread anandsha
I hope I should be in a position to volunteer for the Indlinux demo. 99.9%. 

What should I do for the remaining 0.1%

anand

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Subject: Re: [ilugd] minutes of the LDD2K4 planning meeting

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Raj 4.Ravikant IndLinux  Localization (30 +15)

 
Raj Demos --
 

Raj - Indlinux - NEEDS VOLUNTEERS
 



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[ilugd] DTP with Unicode Data

2004-09-10 Thread anandsha
Having adopted Unicode based word-processors for Hindi (MS Office XP and Open Office 
1.1.1), we have lots of data getting generated in Hindi. The problem is when some of 
the users want this to be sent to a publisher for getting it published as a book. 

First of all, none in the market are having systems who can read our .doc files with 
Unicode Hindi in it. Secondly, these guys import these .doc files to Pagemaker and 
generate a Postscript file after due editing of layouts etc. Incidentally, Pagemaker 
does not support OpenType fonts. I think Adobe is pushing Illustrator for this, and mo 
st publishers do not have experience on this.

I thought of doing all the layout work ourselves and generating a Postscript file to 
press for final publications. But I ran into problems, not finding proper tools to 
generate Postscript from Unicode data files.

Any one willing to share experience on this?? How about Scribus and Inkscape?? Do 
Scibus or Inkscape export Postscript?? How well Postscript is compatible with Unicode??

Anand Shankar 

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[ilugd] /dev/null read only!!

2004-09-08 Thread anandsha
Yesterday I landed into this crisis, on my 64MB, P2-233MHz, FC1-GNOME, notebook:

System boots fine, but as soon as init scripts start, I start getting lots of FAIL 
all indicating /dev/null : read only filesystem.

My god, I never faced this all my Linux experience. e2fsck's show clean filesystems. 
fdisk -r /dev/null also showed a read only file system (Zero length File system) 
What is this??

I found the following solution through Google, and it worked:

1. mount -o remount, rw /
2. rm -f /dev/null
3. mknod -m 666 /dev/null c 1 3

Gurus!!

What was that?? Why did it happen in the first place?? What are the basics about that 
Character Device and Major and Minor numbers??


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[ilugd] Looking for a good AMD board for Linux

2004-07-06 Thread anandsha
I intend to purchase an AMD box with AMD Athlon XP 2500+ CPU. The machine is intended 
to be used as a Linux enthusiast for typical SOHO user. It is not intended for Gaming, 
Video Editing and other such demanding apps.

I prefer the following features on the Motherboard:

- 512MB DDR-RAM for 333 MHz FSB support
- Integrated on board audio, graphics and LAN
- USB 2.0 (Dropping Firewire support on MB for cheaper Firewire add-on cards)
- IDE, SATA (future use??) and IR connectors on Motherboard
- Support Boot from USB storage device

I have narrowed down to the following choice:

MSI KM4AM (KM400A): Model name KM4AM-L

- VIA KM400A chipset
- Integrated S3 Graphics Unichrome 2d/3d
- VIA Ethernet
- Realtek Audio

More Details at: 
http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_detail.php?UID=558

I understand this board is available at Nehru Place for Rs 3500/-

I have not been able to squarely determine the Hardware Compatibility with Linux. Can 
some one help me for Hardware compatibility with this motherboard?? Any other board 
may also be suggested for use with AMD Athlon XP 2500+ Processor as this the first to 
support 333MHz FSB. CPUs 2500+ to 2800+ support 333MHz FSB. CPUs above that support 
400MHz FSB and also cross my budget.

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Re: [ilugd] Looking for a good AMD board for Linux

2004-07-06 Thread anandsha
Here is another alternative:

http://www.kobian.com/products.php?productid=457

Mercury KNF2M-L

VIA 194a controller
Realtek LAN
Selectable 2 or 6-CH audio from onboard C-Media CMI9739A AC97 v2.2 compliant CODEC 
with 18-bit ADC and 20-bit DAC resolution 
Onboard Winbond W83627HF LPC bus I/O controller 
nVidia nForce2-128 IGP + MCP AGPset with integrated GeForce4MX graphics core

No SATA however.

Anand Shankar

- Original Message -
From: Vipul Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2004 12:47 pm
Subject: Re: [ilugd] Looking for a good AMD board for Linux

 On Tue, Jul 06, 2004 at 10:57:09AM +0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 [snip]
  - Integrated S3 Graphics Unichrome 2d/3d
 
 I have the same graphics chip in a machine here. The drivers that 

 get it and compile it yourself or stick with a basic vesa driver.
 
 Other hardware components should not be a problem at all.



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[ilugd] No Bootfloppy: How to boot back into Linux?

2004-05-11 Thread anandsha
I installed PCQLinux2004 on a IBM R40e Laptop, which did not have a floppy drive and 
had Windows XP installed. There was 6GB of free space, which I used to install Linux 
(/dev/hda3). 

After installation, How do I boot back into Linux? I could use PCQLinux2004 in rescue 
mode and see vmlinuz file. If I am able to get this file on a USB Storage, can I do 
some thing to create a boot floppy!! Using this Boot floppy I will be able to create a 
linux.bin file which will point Windows Boot Loader to GRUB installed on /dev/hda3.


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[ilugd] Knoppix3.4 available

2004-05-11 Thread anandsha
Successfully downloaded and burnt a sparable copy of Knoppix 3.4

How can I make it available to Ilugd? Can not make to to the coming 3rd sunday meet.

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[ilugd] OOo : Howto Batch Export to PDF?

2004-05-03 Thread anandsha
1. Need to convert MS-Word etc file to PDF in bulk. Doing it one by one is a pain. Any 
way by which we can batch export a collection of MS Word / OOo files to PDF??

2. Any way to merge 2 or more PDF files together to form a single PDF file?

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[ilugd] FLOSS Electronic Auction Application?

2004-03-30 Thread anandsha
Any one aware of any FLOSS Electronic Auction Application??

anand


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[ilugd] Libraries: Mixing Old and New Libraries

2004-03-15 Thread anandsha
I want to install nmap. Got appropirate RPM files and resolved package dependencies. 
But it still has following dependencies:

libcrypto.so.2 and libssl.so.2

I am using Fedora Core 1 and have libcrypto.so.4 and in /lib directory. These 2 files 
required by nmap, are available in another RH7.2 system. Can I simply copy these 2 
files from the old system to the matching directory in the new system??

I come across such requirements many a times. How do I move ahead with package 
installations in such cases?? Will rpm -ivh --nodeps option work, when a higher 
version library is available?? Or if rebuild a package.src.rpm solve the problem of 
requiring a lower version library?

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[ilugd] Crisis with Corrupt Open Office File

2004-03-10 Thread anandsha
1. Got an important file in OO Corrupt.
2. Opened it as a zip file (Had to even fix the zip file) and extracted content.xml
3. To recover the file, opened the file in a browser(IE). The following error message 
results:
--
The system cannot locate the resource specified. Error processing resource 
'office.dtd'. Error processing resource 'file:///C:/anand/safe/recover/content.xml'. 
Line 2, Position 103 

!DOCTYPE office:document-content PUBLIC -//OpenOffice.org//DTD OfficeDocument 
1.0//EN office.dtd


Any Help. Urgent please.


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Re: [ilugd] Re: Crisis with Corrupt Open Office File

2004-03-10 Thread anandsha
Oh! I did that and also tried to open it in Mozilla. I must admit that I do not know 
what and how to fix the link to the missing DTD. Mozilla, however says about a missing 
style information. 

This XML file does not appear to have any style information associated with it. The 
document tree is shown below.

I need to fix it by hand, but do'nt know how to do it. A file styles.xml is also 
available after the recovery.

anand

- Original Message -
From: Tarun Dua [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 2:13 pm
Subject: [ilugd] Re: Crisis with Corrupt Open Office File

 anandsha wrote:
  1. Got an important file in OO Corrupt.
  2. Opened it as a zip file (Had to even fix the zip file) and 
 extracted content.xml 3. To recover the file, opened the file in 
 a browser(IE). The
  following error message results:
  -- The system cannot 
 locate the
  resource specified. Error processing resource 'office.dtd'. Error
  processing resource 'file:///C:/anand/safe/recover/content.xml'. 
 Line 2,
  Position 103
 Try opening the XML file in a text editor instead.
 -Tarun
 
 
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Re: [ilugd] Resolved: Crisis with Corrupt Open Office File

2004-03-10 Thread anandsha
zip content.xml with styles.xml to filename.zip

rename it to filename.sxw, Open with OO, u get back the document!!

anand 

- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 2:50 pm
Subject: Re: [ilugd] Re: Crisis with Corrupt Open Office File

 Oh! I did that and also tried to open it in Mozilla. I must admit 
 that I do not know what and how to fix the link to the missing 
 DTD. Mozilla, however says about a missing style information. 
 
 This XML file does not appear to have any style information 
 associated with it. The document tree is shown below.
 
 I need to fix it by hand, but do'nt know how to do it. A file 
 styles.xml is also available after the recovery.
 
 anand
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Tarun Dua [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 2:13 pm
 Subject: [ilugd] Re: Crisis with Corrupt Open Office File
 
  anandsha wrote:
   1. Got an important file in OO Corrupt.
   2. Opened it as a zip file (Had to even fix the zip file) and 
  extracted content.xml 3. To recover the file, opened the file 
 in 
  a browser(IE). The
   following error message results:
   -- The system cannot 
  locate the
   resource specified. Error processing resource 'office.dtd'. Error
   processing resource 
 'file:///C:/anand/safe/recover/content.xml'. 
  Line 2,
   Position 103
  Try opening the XML file in a text editor instead.
  -Tarun
  
  
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Re: [ilugd] LinuxAsia2004 update

2004-02-09 Thread anandsha
I am told, guys in N Place can burn CDs in bulk, at short notice. I spoke to a guy who 
quoted Rs 35/- per CD along with the media and a paper cover.

Anand Shankar

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Subject: Re: [ilugd] LinuxAsia2004 update

 
 fifty! yeoouhoowah!
 :-)
 
 just handed my solitary gnuwinII cd to tarun yesterday. guess that 
 saveshim a lot of trouble in burning cds.
 
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Re: [ilugd] LinuxAsia2004 update

2004-02-08 Thread anandsha
1. I can offer my monitor. I stay at Faridabad.
2. I have IndLinux CD with Hindi and other languages interface. I am not in a position 
to commit a time schedule though I will be visiting the event sometime. In case we 
feel somebody can do demos and distribute CDs, I can arrage to have about 10 CDs of 
the same.

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Re: [ilugd] linux on p1

2003-11-11 Thread anandsha
Bootable CD: DamnSmall Linux

I have not checked about installing on HDD, but it should be possible.

Anand Shankar

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From: LinuxLingam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 0:08 am
Subject: [ilugd] linux on p1

 dear all,
 
 what's the best approach, with distro and release, to install 
 linux on a
 pentium 1, 100mhz, 32mb ram, 4gb hard disk, such that the non-techie
 user gets his:
 
 1) gui OS.
 2) office suite (wordprocess, spreadsheet, presentation)
 3) browser
 4) email-client
 
 with point-and-click ease.
 
 thin-client is not an option.
 
 ??
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Re: [ilugd] Linux presentation

2003-10-17 Thread anandsha
The new OpenOffice1.1 Windows version has an ActiveX component which will open an OO 
doc in Internet Explorer. I have,nt tried this as yet, but you could, and tell us 
HOWTO!!

Anand

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Date: Friday, October 17, 2003 0:49 am
Subject: Re: [ilugd] Linux presentation

 Doesn't MS Office open it??
 Cauz I already have MS-Office installed, and I would not like to 
 install OO
 on that machine!
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[ilugd] Python Resources

2003-09-05 Thread anandsha
Interesting Python resources and links:

http://www.cetus-links.org/oo_python.html


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RE: [ilugd] Re: python perl programming. thanks!

2003-09-03 Thread anandsha
I recall a dicussion which I started on the subject I want to learn a  new 
programming language: Which one? in late March 2003, on ilugd, (Unfortunately not on 
archives). I had Perl in mind when I framed those questions. But this article and my 
own convictions and study of similar questions at other forums, I decided to move to 
Python.

Though on personal front I have been highly pre-occupied, I have kept a slow pace of 
study on Python, and I find it fairly easy to pick up. I have also collected some 
useful learning resources on Python, and putting to a CD. I hope some day I can 
distribute and discuss such a CD, as an ilugd resource.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

Quote:

In the beginning of your technical career, it takes an effort to learn and understand 
a programming language but as you go along, language syntax (and programming) takes 
the back seat and design (and testing) carry majority of the load.

Unquote:

This is exactly where Python has gained a big ground.It is a very popular as a 
prototyping language. Designers use it to design a prototype system, independent of 
performance considerations.Then leave it to the implementor, who has a much better 
clarity of what is required of him, and then implements it with the language / 
component appropirate. Microsoft Merchant Server v1.0 was in Python and moved to C++ 
by v3.0

Quote:
Picking a programming language to learn is important and so, pick a language that you 
think you are going to use in foreseeable future. If you are not sure which one you 
will be using, pick the one that is most popular and more important, most easy to use. 
Trying to learn a language that claims to be extremely powerful, flexible, structured, 
etc. etc. will not help if you end up spending countless hours figuring out what its 
few lines of code mean. Not only will you feel intimidated by the language, it is very 
likely that you will end up losing interest in the programming itself.
Unquote:

Those guiding principles are taking most new learners to Visual Basic, and most people 
end up designing good screens and simple Classroom apps. Python introduces better 
programming concepts such as Lists, Tuples, Dictionary etc before you can do something 
serious with Python. I do'nt say that they are not present in other languages, but 
most VB learners do'nt do it. In fact I am still looking for a good Visual Basic vs 
Python study, and I am not interested in the freedom debate, but strict Language 
Comparisons. There is one at http://www.jvoegele.com/software/langcomp.html

Quote:
And if you are already passed that stage, and feel comfortable with couple of 
programming languages already, it should be of least concern what programming language 
to learn next since the basic drill is pretty much the same - pick up a book, write 
test programs, get onto the mailing list and voila!

My professor once said - If you know one programming language well, you can claim to 
know them all.
Unquote:

Thats generally right. But most people who did not have an opportunity to do anything 
after a BASIC / FORTRAN / COBOL course in the University / College, are totally lost 
at new Object Oriented Programming Languages. There was no GUI Programming or Event 
based Programming in a GUI environment as we know now, and no Web/Internet programming 
as is frequently required these days. Python helps people of older generation to 
pickup from something they learnt in a Non-commercial Environment, and move on to 
modern concepts as per their convenience. Indirectly, can a 10 line program which a 
student did in GWBASIC can work as it is in Visual Basic?? The common word BASIC in 
the two, prompts one to think so. Whereas it is more likely to run between 
GWBASIC/QBASIC/YABASIC/...on any platform!!

One more comment; We have moved from a Standard Languages (ANSI/ISO/..) to 
Proprietary/ Quasi-Proprietary languages. In some way, Python being Open Source and 
Cross Platform, brings the advantage of learning a Standard Language, and still be 
employable on any platform. No wonder, many American Schools and Colleges have moved 
to Python as a first programming language, after doing Pascal- C - C++ in previous 
years.

One other winning factor: Python is a glue language. It glues into existing systems 
and projects. So someone can do a Python in between a  Perl / Win32 COM / C++ / Java 
based project!!
 

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Re: [ilugd] [semi-OT] python perl programming

2003-09-02 Thread anandsha
Thats the deciding article for me, which made me turn to Python.

Anand Shankar

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http://pythonology.org/successstory=esr

eric s raymond on python 

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