Re: [ilugd] Enquiry about linux

2005-03-05 Thread Raj Mathur
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Arjun On Thursday 03 March 2005 10:52, Raj Mathur wrote:
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  Arjun == Arjun Asthana [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
Arjun [snip] OpenLX because it is indian and has many added stuff
Arjun over FC. It contains CollabCAD, Kalculate, Flash player,
Arjun Sun's Java, bootsplash etc. Normally, you wouldn't find
Arjun these in any other distros. Also, it is backed by the
Arjun company which created Kalculate, the accounting package for
Arjun linux.
 ...and which is not free.  To my mind, if one is advocating
 non-free software one may as well start advocating Winduhs and
 be done with it.

Arjun It _is_ FREE. As in freedom, but not as in free beer.

None of CollabCAD, Kalculate or Flash player are free as in freedom.
Free as in beer, maybe yes.

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Re: [ilugd] Enquiry about linux

2005-03-04 Thread Arjun Asthana
On Thursday 03 March 2005 10:15, Arjun Asthana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  3)  Which is the latest version of linux introduced?

 Depends. 2.6.10 probably.
Sorry, that's 2.6.11

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Re: [ilugd] Enquiry about linux

2005-03-04 Thread Arjun Asthana
On Thursday 03 March 2005 10:52, Raj Mathur wrote:
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  Arjun == Arjun Asthana [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Arjun [snip]
 Arjun OpenLX because it is indian and has many
 Arjun added stuff over FC. It contains CollabCAD, Kalculate,
 Arjun Flash player, Sun's Java, bootsplash etc. Normally, you
 Arjun wouldn't find these in any other distros. Also, it is
 Arjun backed by the company which created Kalculate, the
 Arjun accounting package for linux.

 ...and which is not free.  To my mind, if one is advocating non-free
 software one may as well start advocating Winduhs and be done with it.

It _is_ FREE. As in freedom, but not as in free beer.

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Re: [ilugd] Enquiry about linux

2005-03-03 Thread anandsha
Finally it appears that it is just possible to have as many Linux Distributions 
as groups of people who think this is the right thing for them. You will 
agree that your right is not my right. The group's strength here depends on 
the degree of consensus of what is right. These are more of ethical 
principles of what is right. There can be no law on it.

ILUGD as a group stresses and emphasises the virtues and philosophy behind the 
F/LOSS movement. It certainly can be hoped that each member understands which 
product stands up to that principles and which one does not. After that, it is 
individuals choice and the circumstances which make him take the appropirate 
decision.

Remember FLOSS stresses Freedom of Choice.

Anand Shankar

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Subject: Re: [ilugd] Enquiry about linux

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Arjun [snip]
Arjun OpenLX because it is indian and has many
Arjun added stuff over FC. It contains CollabCAD, Kalculate,
Arjun Flash player, Sun's Java, bootsplash etc. Normally, you
Arjun wouldn't find these in any other distros. Also, it is
Arjun backed by the company which created Kalculate, the
Arjun accounting package for linux.
 
 ...and which is not free.  To my mind, if one is advocating non-free
 software one may as well start advocating Winduhs and be done with it.
 
 Regards,
 
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Re: [ilugd] Enquiry about linux

2005-03-03 Thread Sandip Bhattacharya
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 Remember FLOSS stresses Freedom of Choice.
 

I think it is more like FLOSS stresses Freedom of Choice between any
sets of products/distributions/software that *are* FLOSS.

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Re: [ilugd] Enquiry about linux

2005-03-02 Thread Ritesh Raj Sarraf
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On Wednesday 02 Mar 2005 2:43 am, Ajay Mulwani wrote:
 On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 22:58:12 +0530, Ritesh Raj Sarraf

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  On Tuesday 01 Mar 2005 8:49 pm, Ajay Mulwani wrote:
   Yes, but be sure RHEL 2.1's performance is just too bad on SATA
   drives. FYI: RHEL 2.1 is not free. If you are looking for freewares
   RH9.0 should be a good option.
 
  What makes you say that RH 2.1 is bad on performance with SATA?
  I haven't found any such performance issues.

 In my experience the installation process which usually takes 25-45
 minutes on an IBM MPro with SATA disks on any other version takes
 about 1 hour and 30 min with RHEL2.1. Writing 1G file takes more then
 5 minutes and it has load average of about 4-5 during the process.
 Disk write performance is 3.5 M/s instead of 55M/s

 Download bonnie++ from http://sourceforge.net/projects/bonnie/ and
 find the disk performance.

 The above is what has been observed with RHEL2.1 (with any Update) on IBMs.

 I just shared my experience; you probably have a different model,
 different kernel etc..


Yes, I've used SMP kernels on my testing machines. Which SATA disks are you 
using ?? Maybe they are the issue ??

  And what is your definition of free ?

 In this context free means you don't have to pay a single penny.
 RH7.x, RH8.0, RH9.0 and Fedora are free, you can download fedora from


I thought free in terms of freedom.

 http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/3/i386/iso/

 I couldn't find the link for RH7.x, 8.0 or 9.0, probably because
 redhat has declared EOL for them.


You still need to pay the bandwidth resource charges.

 However Redhat's enterprise versions namely: RHEL2.1, 3.0 and 4.0 are
 license based. You need an RHN login account in order to download the
 ISOs.


You still can download the sources or go for White Box Linux.

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Re: [ilugd] Enquiry about linux

2005-03-02 Thread Ajay Mulwani
On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 22:49:52 +0530, Ritesh Raj Sarraf
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 On Wednesday 02 Mar 2005 2:43 am, Ajay Mulwani wrote:
  On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 22:58:12 +0530, Ritesh Raj Sarraf
 
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   On Tuesday 01 Mar 2005 8:49 pm, Ajay Mulwani wrote:
Yes, but be sure RHEL 2.1's performance is just too bad on SATA
drives. FYI: RHEL 2.1 is not free. If you are looking for freewares
RH9.0 should be a good option.
  
   What makes you say that RH 2.1 is bad on performance with SATA?
   I haven't found any such performance issues.
 
  In my experience the installation process which usually takes 25-45
  minutes on an IBM MPro with SATA disks on any other version takes
  about 1 hour and 30 min with RHEL2.1. Writing 1G file takes more then
  5 minutes and it has load average of about 4-5 during the process.
  Disk write performance is 3.5 M/s instead of 55M/s
 
  Download bonnie++ from http://sourceforge.net/projects/bonnie/ and
  find the disk performance.
 
  The above is what has been observed with RHEL2.1 (with any Update) on IBMs.
 
  I just shared my experience; you probably have a different model,
  different kernel etc..
 
 
 Yes, I've used SMP kernels on my testing machines. Which SATA disks are you
 using ?? Maybe they are the issue ??
 
   And what is your definition of free ?
 
  In this context free means you don't have to pay a single penny.
  RH7.x, RH8.0, RH9.0 and Fedora are free, you can download fedora from
 
 
 I thought free in terms of freedom.

thats the GNU statement... this mail thread was initially enquiring in
terms of costs only.

 
  http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/3/i386/iso/
 
  I couldn't find the link for RH7.x, 8.0 or 9.0, probably because
  redhat has declared EOL for them.
 
 
 You still need to pay the bandwidth resource charges.

Yes, those are your expenses to the bandwidth provider. The money will
not go into redhat's (or OS provider's) pocket.

 
  However Redhat's enterprise versions namely: RHEL2.1, 3.0 and 4.0 are
  license based. You need an RHN login account in order to download the
  ISOs.
 
 
 You still can download the sources or go for White Box Linux.
 

Possibly yes, but how close is White Box Linux to redhat is ?

Ajay

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Re: [ilugd] Enquiry about linux

2005-03-02 Thread Ritesh Raj Sarraf
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On Thursday 03 Mar 2005 12:37 am, Ajay Mulwani wrote:
   In this context free means you don't have to pay a single penny.
   RH7.x, RH8.0, RH9.0 and Fedora are free, you can download fedora from
 
  I thought free in terms of freedom.

 thats the GNU statement... this mail thread was initially enquiring in
 terms of costs only.


I read the subject as Enquiry about linux not as Enquiry about linux cost.


   However Redhat's enterprise versions namely: RHEL2.1, 3.0 and 4.0 are
   license based. You need an RHN login account in order to download the
   ISOs.
 
  You still can download the sources or go for White Box Linux.

 Possibly yes, but how close is White Box Linux to redhat is ?

If you're that desperate to have closeness with redhat, redhat deserves the 
pay.


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Re: [ilugd] Enquiry about linux

2005-03-02 Thread Ajay Mulwani
On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 01:29:29 +0530, Ritesh Raj Sarraf
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 On Thursday 03 Mar 2005 12:37 am, Ajay Mulwani wrote:
In this context free means you don't have to pay a single penny.
RH7.x, RH8.0, RH9.0 and Fedora are free, you can download fedora from
  
   I thought free in terms of freedom.
 
  thats the GNU statement... this mail thread was initially enquiring in
  terms of costs only.
 
 
 I read the subject as Enquiry about linux not as Enquiry about linux cost.


Do you reply all the mail messages by reading just the subject line?

 
 
However Redhat's enterprise versions namely: RHEL2.1, 3.0 and 4.0 are
license based. You need an RHN login account in order to download the
ISOs.
  
   You still can download the sources or go for White Box Linux.
 
  Possibly yes, but how close is White Box Linux to redhat is ?
 
 If you're that desperate to have closeness with redhat, redhat deserves the
 pay.
 

thats again the personal choice.

Ajay

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Re: [ilugd] Enquiry about linux

2005-03-02 Thread Arjun Asthana
On Monday 28 February 2005 13:01, divakar gupta wrote:
   
   Hi

 I am currently using Windows XP(Professional) and want Linux as another OS,
 alongwith Windows on my system.   I have following queries:

 1)  I have Pentium 4,3.00 HT, Processor with 915GV Intel motherboard. Hard
 disk is 80 GB Serial ATA(Seagate).  RAM is 400FSB, 512MB. Can Linux be
 loaded on SATA hard disk?

Yes, you can. If you don't have any free partition, you can do the following:
1) Defragment your hdd
2) Use a partition program like partitionmagic, fips, parted etc. to resize 
the partition
3) Create partitions for linux.

Mandrake has the partition resizing program in its installer itself, IIRC.

 2)  From where in New Delhi, India can I get Linux for free/at reasonable
 rates?

You can get them from one of the many resources. Ask at the ilugd-cd list.

 3)  Which is the latest version of linux introduced?

Depends. 2.6.10 probably.

 4)  Which linux is best suited for me?(Red Hat/Mandriek)
 i need linux for just trying it out and basic purposes initially, and later
 for advanced applications and utilities.

I would suggest you go for SUSE, mandrake or OpenLX. SUSE because it has this 
thing called YaST which will never force you to go to a terminal to perform 
even the complex tasks. Mandrake because if you dont want closed source or 
non-free SUSE. OpenLX because it is indian and has many added stuff over FC. 
It contains CollabCAD, Kalculate, Flash player, Sun's Java, bootsplash etc. 
Normally, you wouldn't find these in any other distros. Also, it is backed by 
the company which created Kalculate, the accounting package for linux.

 Waiting for your response...

 Divakar Gupta
 New Delhi
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Re: [ilugd] Enquiry about linux

2005-03-02 Thread Raj Mathur
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Arjun [snip]
Arjun OpenLX because it is indian and has many
Arjun added stuff over FC. It contains CollabCAD, Kalculate,
Arjun Flash player, Sun's Java, bootsplash etc. Normally, you
Arjun wouldn't find these in any other distros. Also, it is
Arjun backed by the company which created Kalculate, the
Arjun accounting package for linux.

...and which is not free.  To my mind, if one is advocating non-free
software one may as well start advocating Winduhs and be done with it.

Regards,

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Re: [ilugd] Enquiry about linux

2005-03-01 Thread Ajay Mulwani
On 28 Feb 2005 07:31:26 -, divakar  gupta
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  Hi
 
 I am currently using Windows XP(Professional) and want Linux as another OS, 
 alongwith Windows on my system.   I have following queries:
 
 1)  I have Pentium 4,3.00 HT, Processor with 915GV Intel motherboard. Hard 
 disk is 80 GB Serial ATA(Seagate).  RAM is 400FSB, 512MB.
 Can Linux be loaded on SATA hard disk?

Yes, but be sure RHEL 2.1's performance is just too bad on SATA
drives. FYI: RHEL 2.1 is not free. If you are looking for freewares
RH9.0 should be a good option.

 
 2)  From where in New Delhi, India can I get Linux for free/at reasonable 
 rates?
If you have good internet connection download the ISOs from redhat.com
or if you are looking for CDs check-out at some Nehru Place vendor.

 
 3)  Which is the latest version of linux introduced?
RHEL4 is the latest RedHat linux but as being an Enterprise Linux is
not free... I think from Redhat the latest free version available is
RH9.0/ Fedora.

 
 4)  Which linux is best suited for me?(Red Hat/Mandriek)
 i need linux for just trying it out and basic purposes initially, and later 
 for advanced applications and utilities.

I will recommend RedHat or SuSE as I am a user of these two only.

 
 Waiting for your response...
 
 Divakar Gupta
 New Delhi
 India
 
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Re: [ilugd] Enquiry about linux

2005-03-01 Thread Sunder Narayanaswamy
u can buy feb DIGIT DVD . it contains mandrake isos . or buy suse dvd
from any vendor.it comes with the largest collection of packages . u
can always procure one distro from a local user . u may also wanna get
a live cd distro like knoppix to try intially .
i'm from chennai so if u dont get help . mail me i will do what i can
regards


On 28 Feb 2005 07:31:26 -, divakar  gupta
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  Hi
 
 I am currently using Windows XP(Professional) and want Linux as another OS, 
 alongwith Windows on my system.   I have following queries:
 
 1)  I have Pentium 4,3.00 HT, Processor with 915GV Intel motherboard. Hard 
 disk is 80 GB Serial ATA(Seagate).  RAM is 400FSB, 512MB.
 Can Linux be loaded on SATA hard disk?
 
 2)  From where in New Delhi, India can I get Linux for free/at reasonable 
 rates?
 
 3)  Which is the latest version of linux introduced?
 
 4)  Which linux is best suited for me?(Red Hat/Mandriek)
 i need linux for just trying it out and basic purposes initially, and later 
 for advanced applications and utilities.
 
 Waiting for your response...
 
 Divakar Gupta
 New Delhi
 India
 
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Re: [ilugd] Enquiry about linux

2005-03-01 Thread Ritesh Raj Sarraf
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On Tuesday 01 Mar 2005 8:49 pm, Ajay Mulwani wrote:
 Yes, but be sure RHEL 2.1's performance is just too bad on SATA
 drives. FYI: RHEL 2.1 is not free. If you are looking for freewares
 RH9.0 should be a good option.

What makes you say that RH 2.1 is bad on performance with SATA?
I haven't found any such performance issues.

And what is your definition of free ?

rrs
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Re: [ilugd] Enquiry about linux

2005-03-01 Thread Ajay Mulwani
On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 22:58:12 +0530, Ritesh Raj Sarraf
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 On Tuesday 01 Mar 2005 8:49 pm, Ajay Mulwani wrote:
  Yes, but be sure RHEL 2.1's performance is just too bad on SATA
  drives. FYI: RHEL 2.1 is not free. If you are looking for freewares
  RH9.0 should be a good option.
 
 What makes you say that RH 2.1 is bad on performance with SATA?
 I haven't found any such performance issues.

In my experience the installation process which usually takes 25-45
minutes on an IBM MPro with SATA disks on any other version takes
about 1 hour and 30 min with RHEL2.1. Writing 1G file takes more then
5 minutes and it has load average of about 4-5 during the process.
Disk write performance is 3.5 M/s instead of 55M/s

Download bonnie++ from http://sourceforge.net/projects/bonnie/ and
find the disk performance.

The above is what has been observed with RHEL2.1 (with any Update) on IBMs.

I just shared my experience; you probably have a different model,
different kernel etc..

 
 And what is your definition of free ?

In this context free means you don't have to pay a single penny.
RH7.x, RH8.0, RH9.0 and Fedora are free, you can download fedora from

http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/3/i386/iso/

I couldn't find the link for RH7.x, 8.0 or 9.0, probably because
redhat has declared EOL for them.

However Redhat's enterprise versions namely: RHEL2.1, 3.0 and 4.0 are
license based. You need an RHN login account in order to download the
ISOs.

 
 rrs
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Re: [ilugd] Enquiry about linux

2005-03-01 Thread agencies_ad1
Quoting Ajay Mulwani [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


 Yes, but be sure RHEL 2.1's performance is just too bad on SATA
 drives. FYI: RHEL 2.1 is not free. If you are looking for freewares
 RH9.0 should be a good option.
 

Freeware? What's that? RH9.0 is not a *freeware*. In fact entire notion of
freeware is worst of proprietary software and shareware .Please don't compare
any free software to freeware.

Komal



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Re: [ilugd] Enquiry about linux

2005-02-28 Thread Sudev Barar
On Mon, 2005-02-28 at 07:31 +, divakar gupta wrote:
 1)  I have Pentium 4,3.00 HT, Processor with 915GV Intel motherboard. Hard 
 disk is 80 GB Serial ATA(Seagate).  RAM is 400FSB, 512MB.
 Can Linux be loaded on SATA hard disk?
Yes. I am right now using one.

 2)  From where in New Delhi, India can I get Linux for free/at reasonable 
 rates?
Where are you in Delhi? Write in and I am sure some linux user near by would 
offer to give you CD's for the price of just blank CD's

 3)  Which is the latest version of linux introduced?
 4)  Which linux is best suited for me?(Red Hat/Mandriek)
 i need linux for just trying it out and basic purposes initially, and later 
 for advanced applications and utilities.
I would recommend look for Mandrake 10.1 or Ubuntu. If you just want to try 
then even Knoppix3.7 would be good as it does not install on hard-disk but runs 
off the memory.

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