Re: [indiana-discuss] grub don't boot OpenSolaris 2008.05 after one reboot
On 08/05/2008 06:13 AM, sanjay nadkarni (Laptop) wrote: Admittedly this is a bit of puzzle since you were able to boot it successfully once. Is it possible that when you rebooted the second time, the BIOS is picking up the wrong disk ? i.e. are there two disks on this system ? Can you check the boot order via the bios ? there is only one disk (is a laptop), yesterday I made this two operation: 1) at the grub prompt I type: find /boot/grub/menu.lst and the message is: Error 15 file not found 2) I reboot my system with LiveCD and, I type this commands: # zpool import (to get the raw-device) # zpool import -f rpool # mount -F zfs rpool/ROOT/opensolaris /mnt # /sbin/installgrub /mnt/boot/grub/stage1 /mnt/boot/grub/stage2 \ /dev/rdsk/(raw-device) installgrub don't tell me any error, and after when I reboot the system I see GRUB stage 2... and after only a blank screen (no grub menu) On the same laptop, with another hard disk I try to install OpenSolaris (only one partition) and all work fine! The main disk is ok, is a new disk and I have checked it with another PC! About your question about the boot order on the BIOS is: 1) USB devices 2) DVD 3) Hard disk this order is never changed between my tests! -- Luca Morettoni luca(AT)morettoni(DOT)net - http://morettoni.net GPG key 0xD69411BB: C329 AED4 5923 1982 6F12 3036 B51E 664F D694 11BB jugUmbria founder - https://jugUmbria.dev.java.net/ | Thawte notary ITL-OSUG leader - http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/itl-osug/ ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
Re: [indiana-discuss] grub don't boot OpenSolaris 2008.05 after one reboot
sanjay nadkarni (Laptop) wrote: Luca Morettoni wrote: Hi, I have installed and used OpenSolaris on a single installation for a long time. Now on my laptop I buy a new big HD (320G) to be shared with WinXP and OpenSolaris. First I have installed WinXP on a 60G partition, then I installed OpenSolaris with any problem, at the end of installation I reboot the system, ALL work fine, I see grub menu and I choose to boot opensolaris... the system is ok (remember, I don't touch nothing on the disk), but when I reboot again the problem, I get the grub menu (GRUB ) and nothing start... Any hints? Admittedly this is a bit of puzzle since you were able to boot it successfully once. Is it possible that when you rebooted the second time, the BIOS is picking up the wrong disk ? i.e. are there two disks on this system ? Can you check the boot order via the bios ? -Sanjay ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss So I've not seen this, but maybe the boot order changed for some reason. I don't see why the mbr would had been clobbered, even if the Solaris ramdisk was corrupted since the grub files are not dependent on the state of the ramdisk, which is the only real potentially breakable part of Solaris initialization. It's possible the grub.conf got messed up though, which would result in the grub prompt being the only thing showing up. You can boot the Windows and OpenSolaris systems through grub console. You'd boot Windows something like this: rootnoverify (hd0,0) chainloader +1 boot OpenSolaris is a little more trickey because it uses boot environments so you'd need to do something like this: findroot (pool_rpool,1,a) bootfs /rpool/RPOOL/opensolaris-5 kernel$ /platform/i86pc/kernel/$ISADIR/unix -B $ZFS-BOOTFS module$ /platform/i86pc/$ISADIR/boot_archive boot * Type 'help' and there's a command to show devices, forgot what * Tab complete works for some functions but not others, you could for example try bootfs /rpool/ROOT/[tab] James ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
Re: [indiana-discuss] grub don't boot OpenSolaris 2008.05 after one reboot
Hi, Try the following commands at the GRUB prompt find /rpool/boot/grub/menu.lst find /boot/grub/menu.lst What do these show ? Vikram - Original Message From: James Cornell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sanjay nadkarni (Laptop) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2008 1:16:35 PM Subject: Re: [indiana-discuss] grub don't boot OpenSolaris 2008.05 after one reboot sanjay nadkarni (Laptop) wrote: Luca Morettoni wrote: Hi, I have installed and used OpenSolaris on a single installation for a long time. Now on my laptop I buy a new big HD (320G) to be shared with WinXP and OpenSolaris. First I have installed WinXP on a 60G partition, then I installed OpenSolaris with any problem, at the end of installation I reboot the system, ALL work fine, I see grub menu and I choose to boot opensolaris... the system is ok (remember, I don't touch nothing on the disk), but when I reboot again the problem, I get the grub menu (GRUB ) and nothing start... Any hints? Admittedly this is a bit of puzzle since you were able to boot it successfully once. Is it possible that when you rebooted the second time, the BIOS is picking up the wrong disk ? i.e. are there two disks on this system ? Can you check the boot order via the bios ? -Sanjay ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss So I've not seen this, but maybe the boot order changed for some reason. I don't see why the mbr would had been clobbered, even if the Solaris ramdisk was corrupted since the grub files are not dependent on the state of the ramdisk, which is the only real potentially breakable part of Solaris initialization. It's possible the grub.conf got messed up though, which would result in the grub prompt being the only thing showing up. You can boot the Windows and OpenSolaris systems through grub console. You'd boot Windows something like this: rootnoverify (hd0,0) chainloader +1 boot OpenSolaris is a little more trickey because it uses boot environments so you'd need to do something like this: findroot (pool_rpool,1,a) bootfs /rpool/RPOOL/opensolaris-5 kernel$ /platform/i86pc/kernel/$ISADIR/unix -B $ZFS-BOOTFS module$ /platform/i86pc/$ISADIR/boot_archive boot * Type 'help' and there's a command to show devices, forgot what * Tab complete works for some functions but not others, you could for example try bootfs /rpool/ROOT/[tab] James ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
Re: [indiana-discuss] REVIEW System Admin. Guide for the Back to School Kit
Hi Kathy: Is the intent to keep this command line focused? In several cases there are GUIs you can work with for: * Managing services * Managing processes * Shutting down the system * Verifying device driver support Other notes: How to Stop a Program: In this case, look for the bash process for pts/2 which has a process ID of 689. For me it's pts/3 and the process id will always differ. Also, the ps command by itself is pretty useless. I generally use ps -ef | grep 'some string' I would also echo the sentiments of others to use pfexec instead of becoming superuser. It's much safer. Note that the Server type should be IMAP Mail Server Why are you assuming this is the case? You're probably better off just listing resources on how to configure Thunderbird to connect to popular mail servers, such as Yahoo!, gmail, etc. In addition to the system user account, you should create a user account and ZFS file system for your personal files that can be managed by delegating ZFS administration permissions, such as creating a file system snapshot. Interesting. Why do we recommend creating a 2nd user account? I'm new to OpenSolaris, but this is the first I've heard of this. http://blogs.sun.com/timf/resource/README.zfs-auto-backup.txt Consider pointing them to Tim's blog on this subject instead: http://blogs.sun.com/timf/entry/zfs_automatic_for_the_people mount -F smbfs //solarsystem/tmp /mnt Before you can mount a SMB client you need to first enable the service via the GUI or the command line (svcadm enable network/smb/client) Shut down the system. Shouldn't the first suggestion be the System Shutdown menu? And from the command line, shouldn't we recommend shutdown over init 5? Regards, Brian Kathy Slattery wrote: I have been leading a group of writers working on a companion to the Getting Started Guide. The idea is to document some useful procedures to help configure an OpenSolaris laptop after the OS is installed. Please take a look at a review draft of the OpenSolaris 2008.05 System Administration Guide (OSadminguide.pdf) at: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/files/ We have been working on this book for a couple of weeks, so we haven't had time to complete all sections or polish the content yet, but the current content should give you an idea of what we have decided to cover. In particular, the chapter about Useful Commands has not been worked on yet. Also, the links to docs.sun.com aren't working. I need to deliver this book for the Back To School Kit before August 8th, so please send me comments by COB on Wednesday 8/6. We will be developing this book further after the 8th for the 2008.11 release, so there will be more time for comments later. For now: 1) send any corrections to me or to the alias if discussion is needed 2) tell me about any procedures that we should add 3) please give me suggestions for a better book title Many thanks for your time and comments. -Kathy -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss -- (William) Brian Leonard Technology Evangelist 408.404.6884 http://weblogs.java.net/blog/bleonard ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
Re: [indiana-discuss] REVIEW System Admin. Guide for the Back to School Kit
Hi William, Thanks for the comments... For the ZFS comments: 1. Good comment about pointing to Tim's blog instead of the script directly. 2. The user account that is created during the OpenSolaris installation has root privileges. For example: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/Desktop$ roles root So, for a student installing the Back to School Kit its probably best to create a personal user account for papers, etc. For the general comment: Please explain how pfexec is safer. :-) Thanks, Cindy (William) Brian Leonard wrote: Hi Kathy: Is the intent to keep this command line focused? In several cases there are GUIs you can work with for: * Managing services * Managing processes * Shutting down the system * Verifying device driver support Other notes: How to Stop a Program: In this case, look for the bash process for pts/2 which has a process ID of 689. For me it's pts/3 and the process id will always differ. Also, the ps command by itself is pretty useless. I generally use ps -ef | grep 'some string' I would also echo the sentiments of others to use pfexec instead of becoming superuser. It's much safer. Note that the Server type should be IMAP Mail Server Why are you assuming this is the case? You're probably better off just listing resources on how to configure Thunderbird to connect to popular mail servers, such as Yahoo!, gmail, etc. In addition to the system user account, you should create a user account and ZFS file system for your personal files that can be managed by delegating ZFS administration permissions, such as creating a file system snapshot. Interesting. Why do we recommend creating a 2nd user account? I'm new to OpenSolaris, but this is the first I've heard of this. http://blogs.sun.com/timf/resource/README.zfs-auto-backup.txt Consider pointing them to Tim's blog on this subject instead: http://blogs.sun.com/timf/entry/zfs_automatic_for_the_people mount -F smbfs //solarsystem/tmp /mnt Before you can mount a SMB client you need to first enable the service via the GUI or the command line (svcadm enable network/smb/client) Shut down the system. Shouldn't the first suggestion be the System Shutdown menu? And from the command line, shouldn't we recommend shutdown over init 5? Regards, Brian Kathy Slattery wrote: I have been leading a group of writers working on a companion to the Getting Started Guide. The idea is to document some useful procedures to help configure an OpenSolaris laptop after the OS is installed. Please take a look at a review draft of the OpenSolaris 2008.05 System Administration Guide (OSadminguide.pdf) at: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/files/ We have been working on this book for a couple of weeks, so we haven't had time to complete all sections or polish the content yet, but the current content should give you an idea of what we have decided to cover. In particular, the chapter about Useful Commands has not been worked on yet. Also, the links to docs.sun.com aren't working. I need to deliver this book for the Back To School Kit before August 8th, so please send me comments by COB on Wednesday 8/6. We will be developing this book further after the 8th for the 2008.11 release, so there will be more time for comments later. For now: 1) send any corrections to me or to the alias if discussion is needed 2) tell me about any procedures that we should add 3) please give me suggestions for a better book title Many thanks for your time and comments. -Kathy -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss -- (William) Brian Leonard Technology Evangelist 408.404.6884 http://weblogs.java.net/blog/bleonard ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
Re: [indiana-discuss] REVIEW System Admin. Guide for the Back to School Kit
Hi Dave, I see your point about the second user account so we'll drop it. This issue also highlights a transition between managing user accounts with home directories as a UFS directory and home directories as ZFS file systems. I need to file a bug against the user account manager because it creates a user account with a home dir as a directory not a ZFS file system. If I create a ZFS file system and feed it to user account manager, it doesn't setup the user home dir ownership correctly. In the meantime, I'll figure something else out. Thanks for feedback-- Cindy Dave Miner wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi William, Thanks for the comments... For the ZFS comments: 1. Good comment about pointing to Tim's blog instead of the script directly. 2. The user account that is created during the OpenSolaris installation has root privileges. For example: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/Desktop$ roles root So, for a student installing the Back to School Kit its probably best to create a personal user account for papers, etc. I haven't reviewed the document, but this exchange caught my eye. The account can assume the role, but only does so when specifically requested by entering a profiled shell or using pfexec. There's no extra privilege when you're running in, say, bash or ksh. Please do not recommend a second user account, it makes OpenSolaris appear needlessly complex. At some point we may alter the RBAC privileges created by default to be somewhat less expansive than they are right now, but presently the behavior that results is what is expected for a single-user system, which is that the user can administer his own system. Dave ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
Re: [indiana-discuss] REVIEW System Admin. Guide for the Back to School Kit
Brian, Thanks for the suggestions. From: (William) Brian Leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Kathy: Is the intent to keep this command line focused? In several cases there are GUIs you can work with for: * Managing services * Managing processes * Shutting down the system * Verifying device driver support I've changed some of the procedures to use GUIs, but probably not enough of them. I'll work on adding more GUI coverage after the 8/8 release. Other notes: How to Stop a Program: In this case, look for the bash process for pts/2 which has a process ID of 689. For me it's pts/3 and the process id will always differ. Also, the ps command by itself is pretty useless. I generally use ps -ef | grep 'some string' I've re-written this step. I'll send out a copy tomorrow. Please tell me if it still doesn't work. I would also echo the sentiments of others to use pfexec instead of becoming superuser. It's much safer. It's definitely simpler since you don't need a password, but I can't see that it's safer since it gives you equivalent abilities to mess up your installation. I must be missing something. Note that the Server type should be IMAP Mail Server Why are you assuming this is the case? You're probably better off just listing resources on how to configure Thunderbird to connect to popular mail servers, such as Yahoo!, gmail, etc. My test of Yahoo! showed that it just worked without any tweaking, but I'll see what I can do about the others. In addition to the system user account, you should create a user account and ZFS file system for your personal files that can be managed by delegating ZFS administration permissions, such as creating a file system snapshot. Interesting. Why do we recommend creating a 2nd user account? I'm new to OpenSolaris, but this is the first I've heard of this. http://blogs.sun.com/timf/resource/README.zfs-auto-backup.txt Consider pointing them to Tim's blog on this subject instead: http://blogs.sun.com/timf/entry/zfs_automatic_for_the_people Cindy - I'm going to leave these to you. mount -F smbfs //solarsystem/tmp /mnt Before you can mount a SMB client you need to first enable the service via the GUI or the command line (svcadm enable network/smb/client) Cathleen - This one is yours. Shut down the system. Shouldn't the first suggestion be the System Shutdown menu? And from the command line, shouldn't we recommend shutdown over init 5? This one I just changed this morning. Right now I suggest 1) System - Shut Down 2) init 5 3) for emergencies only - uadmin 2 6 Using init instead of shutdown seems more appropriate to me on a laptop. There is no point in sending out broadcast messages and after a quick test, shutdown doesn't seem to work. In the past the our docs have suggest shutdown for servers and init for stand-alone systems. With shutdown 0 not working right on my laptop, I'm very hesitant to add it to the doc. Please tell me if your experience with 2008.05 are different. -Kathy Kathy Slattery wrote: I have been leading a group of writers working on a companion to the Getting Started Guide. The idea is to document some useful procedures to help configure an OpenSolaris laptop after the OS is installed. Please take a look at a review draft of the OpenSolaris 2008.05 System Administration Guide (OSadminguide.pdf) at: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/files/ We have been working on this book for a couple of weeks, so we haven't had time to complete all sections or polish the content yet, but the current content should give you an idea of what we have decided to cover. In particular, the chapter about Useful Commands has not been worked on yet. Also, the links to docs.sun.com aren't working. I need to deliver this book for the Back To School Kit before August 8th, so please send me comments by COB on Wednesday 8/6. We will be developing this book further after the 8th for the 2008.11 release, so there will be more time for comments later. For now: 1) send any corrections to me or to the alias if discussion is needed 2) tell me about any procedures that we should add 3) please give me suggestions for a better book title Many thanks for your time and comments. -Kathy -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss -- (William) Brian Leonard Technology Evangelist 408.404.6884 http://weblogs.java.net/blog/bleonard ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
