Re: [indiana-discuss] REVIEW System Admin. Guide for the Back to School Kit
Hi Kathy: Is the intent to keep this command line focused? In several cases there are GUIs you can work with for: * Managing services * Managing processes * Shutting down the system * Verifying device driver support Other notes: How to Stop a Program: In this case, look for the bash process for pts/2 which has a process ID of 689. For me it's pts/3 and the process id will always differ. Also, the ps command by itself is pretty useless. I generally use ps -ef | grep 'some string' I would also echo the sentiments of others to use pfexec instead of becoming superuser. It's much safer. Note that the Server type should be IMAP Mail Server Why are you assuming this is the case? You're probably better off just listing resources on how to configure Thunderbird to connect to popular mail servers, such as Yahoo!, gmail, etc. In addition to the system user account, you should create a user account and ZFS file system for your personal files that can be managed by delegating ZFS administration permissions, such as creating a file system snapshot. Interesting. Why do we recommend creating a 2nd user account? I'm new to OpenSolaris, but this is the first I've heard of this. http://blogs.sun.com/timf/resource/README.zfs-auto-backup.txt Consider pointing them to Tim's blog on this subject instead: http://blogs.sun.com/timf/entry/zfs_automatic_for_the_people mount -F smbfs //solarsystem/tmp /mnt Before you can mount a SMB client you need to first enable the service via the GUI or the command line (svcadm enable network/smb/client) Shut down the system. Shouldn't the first suggestion be the System Shutdown menu? And from the command line, shouldn't we recommend shutdown over init 5? Regards, Brian Kathy Slattery wrote: I have been leading a group of writers working on a companion to the Getting Started Guide. The idea is to document some useful procedures to help configure an OpenSolaris laptop after the OS is installed. Please take a look at a review draft of the OpenSolaris 2008.05 System Administration Guide (OSadminguide.pdf) at: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/files/ We have been working on this book for a couple of weeks, so we haven't had time to complete all sections or polish the content yet, but the current content should give you an idea of what we have decided to cover. In particular, the chapter about Useful Commands has not been worked on yet. Also, the links to docs.sun.com aren't working. I need to deliver this book for the Back To School Kit before August 8th, so please send me comments by COB on Wednesday 8/6. We will be developing this book further after the 8th for the 2008.11 release, so there will be more time for comments later. For now: 1) send any corrections to me or to the alias if discussion is needed 2) tell me about any procedures that we should add 3) please give me suggestions for a better book title Many thanks for your time and comments. -Kathy -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss -- (William) Brian Leonard Technology Evangelist 408.404.6884 http://weblogs.java.net/blog/bleonard ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
Re: [indiana-discuss] REVIEW System Admin. Guide for the Back to School Kit
Hi William, Thanks for the comments... For the ZFS comments: 1. Good comment about pointing to Tim's blog instead of the script directly. 2. The user account that is created during the OpenSolaris installation has root privileges. For example: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/Desktop$ roles root So, for a student installing the Back to School Kit its probably best to create a personal user account for papers, etc. For the general comment: Please explain how pfexec is safer. :-) Thanks, Cindy (William) Brian Leonard wrote: Hi Kathy: Is the intent to keep this command line focused? In several cases there are GUIs you can work with for: * Managing services * Managing processes * Shutting down the system * Verifying device driver support Other notes: How to Stop a Program: In this case, look for the bash process for pts/2 which has a process ID of 689. For me it's pts/3 and the process id will always differ. Also, the ps command by itself is pretty useless. I generally use ps -ef | grep 'some string' I would also echo the sentiments of others to use pfexec instead of becoming superuser. It's much safer. Note that the Server type should be IMAP Mail Server Why are you assuming this is the case? You're probably better off just listing resources on how to configure Thunderbird to connect to popular mail servers, such as Yahoo!, gmail, etc. In addition to the system user account, you should create a user account and ZFS file system for your personal files that can be managed by delegating ZFS administration permissions, such as creating a file system snapshot. Interesting. Why do we recommend creating a 2nd user account? I'm new to OpenSolaris, but this is the first I've heard of this. http://blogs.sun.com/timf/resource/README.zfs-auto-backup.txt Consider pointing them to Tim's blog on this subject instead: http://blogs.sun.com/timf/entry/zfs_automatic_for_the_people mount -F smbfs //solarsystem/tmp /mnt Before you can mount a SMB client you need to first enable the service via the GUI or the command line (svcadm enable network/smb/client) Shut down the system. Shouldn't the first suggestion be the System Shutdown menu? And from the command line, shouldn't we recommend shutdown over init 5? Regards, Brian Kathy Slattery wrote: I have been leading a group of writers working on a companion to the Getting Started Guide. The idea is to document some useful procedures to help configure an OpenSolaris laptop after the OS is installed. Please take a look at a review draft of the OpenSolaris 2008.05 System Administration Guide (OSadminguide.pdf) at: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/files/ We have been working on this book for a couple of weeks, so we haven't had time to complete all sections or polish the content yet, but the current content should give you an idea of what we have decided to cover. In particular, the chapter about Useful Commands has not been worked on yet. Also, the links to docs.sun.com aren't working. I need to deliver this book for the Back To School Kit before August 8th, so please send me comments by COB on Wednesday 8/6. We will be developing this book further after the 8th for the 2008.11 release, so there will be more time for comments later. For now: 1) send any corrections to me or to the alias if discussion is needed 2) tell me about any procedures that we should add 3) please give me suggestions for a better book title Many thanks for your time and comments. -Kathy -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss -- (William) Brian Leonard Technology Evangelist 408.404.6884 http://weblogs.java.net/blog/bleonard ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
Re: [indiana-discuss] REVIEW System Admin. Guide for the Back to School Kit
Hi Dave, I see your point about the second user account so we'll drop it. This issue also highlights a transition between managing user accounts with home directories as a UFS directory and home directories as ZFS file systems. I need to file a bug against the user account manager because it creates a user account with a home dir as a directory not a ZFS file system. If I create a ZFS file system and feed it to user account manager, it doesn't setup the user home dir ownership correctly. In the meantime, I'll figure something else out. Thanks for feedback-- Cindy Dave Miner wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi William, Thanks for the comments... For the ZFS comments: 1. Good comment about pointing to Tim's blog instead of the script directly. 2. The user account that is created during the OpenSolaris installation has root privileges. For example: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/Desktop$ roles root So, for a student installing the Back to School Kit its probably best to create a personal user account for papers, etc. I haven't reviewed the document, but this exchange caught my eye. The account can assume the role, but only does so when specifically requested by entering a profiled shell or using pfexec. There's no extra privilege when you're running in, say, bash or ksh. Please do not recommend a second user account, it makes OpenSolaris appear needlessly complex. At some point we may alter the RBAC privileges created by default to be somewhat less expansive than they are right now, but presently the behavior that results is what is expected for a single-user system, which is that the user can administer his own system. Dave ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
Re: [indiana-discuss] REVIEW System Admin. Guide for the Back to School Kit
Brian, Thanks for the suggestions. From: (William) Brian Leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Kathy: Is the intent to keep this command line focused? In several cases there are GUIs you can work with for: * Managing services * Managing processes * Shutting down the system * Verifying device driver support I've changed some of the procedures to use GUIs, but probably not enough of them. I'll work on adding more GUI coverage after the 8/8 release. Other notes: How to Stop a Program: In this case, look for the bash process for pts/2 which has a process ID of 689. For me it's pts/3 and the process id will always differ. Also, the ps command by itself is pretty useless. I generally use ps -ef | grep 'some string' I've re-written this step. I'll send out a copy tomorrow. Please tell me if it still doesn't work. I would also echo the sentiments of others to use pfexec instead of becoming superuser. It's much safer. It's definitely simpler since you don't need a password, but I can't see that it's safer since it gives you equivalent abilities to mess up your installation. I must be missing something. Note that the Server type should be IMAP Mail Server Why are you assuming this is the case? You're probably better off just listing resources on how to configure Thunderbird to connect to popular mail servers, such as Yahoo!, gmail, etc. My test of Yahoo! showed that it just worked without any tweaking, but I'll see what I can do about the others. In addition to the system user account, you should create a user account and ZFS file system for your personal files that can be managed by delegating ZFS administration permissions, such as creating a file system snapshot. Interesting. Why do we recommend creating a 2nd user account? I'm new to OpenSolaris, but this is the first I've heard of this. http://blogs.sun.com/timf/resource/README.zfs-auto-backup.txt Consider pointing them to Tim's blog on this subject instead: http://blogs.sun.com/timf/entry/zfs_automatic_for_the_people Cindy - I'm going to leave these to you. mount -F smbfs //solarsystem/tmp /mnt Before you can mount a SMB client you need to first enable the service via the GUI or the command line (svcadm enable network/smb/client) Cathleen - This one is yours. Shut down the system. Shouldn't the first suggestion be the System Shutdown menu? And from the command line, shouldn't we recommend shutdown over init 5? This one I just changed this morning. Right now I suggest 1) System - Shut Down 2) init 5 3) for emergencies only - uadmin 2 6 Using init instead of shutdown seems more appropriate to me on a laptop. There is no point in sending out broadcast messages and after a quick test, shutdown doesn't seem to work. In the past the our docs have suggest shutdown for servers and init for stand-alone systems. With shutdown 0 not working right on my laptop, I'm very hesitant to add it to the doc. Please tell me if your experience with 2008.05 are different. -Kathy Kathy Slattery wrote: I have been leading a group of writers working on a companion to the Getting Started Guide. The idea is to document some useful procedures to help configure an OpenSolaris laptop after the OS is installed. Please take a look at a review draft of the OpenSolaris 2008.05 System Administration Guide (OSadminguide.pdf) at: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/files/ We have been working on this book for a couple of weeks, so we haven't had time to complete all sections or polish the content yet, but the current content should give you an idea of what we have decided to cover. In particular, the chapter about Useful Commands has not been worked on yet. Also, the links to docs.sun.com aren't working. I need to deliver this book for the Back To School Kit before August 8th, so please send me comments by COB on Wednesday 8/6. We will be developing this book further after the 8th for the 2008.11 release, so there will be more time for comments later. For now: 1) send any corrections to me or to the alias if discussion is needed 2) tell me about any procedures that we should add 3) please give me suggestions for a better book title Many thanks for your time and comments. -Kathy -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss -- (William) Brian Leonard Technology Evangelist 408.404.6884 http://weblogs.java.net/blog/bleonard ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
Re: [indiana-discuss] REVIEW System Admin. Guide for the Back to School Kit
Sorry everyone for the duplicate postings. The system generated a message when I hit the Post Message button and I didn't realize that it had succeeded in posting the message. Next time I will check before reposting. -Kathy -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
Re: [indiana-discuss] REVIEW System Admin. Guide for the Back to School Kit
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 11:21 PM, Kathy Slattery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike, Please see my comments below: On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Kathy Slattery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) send any corrections to me or to the alias if discussion is needed Page 10: kill -9 pid should only be used if kill pid doesn't work. Those that subscribe to the kill -9 philosophy are likely to be the same ones that suggest pulling the power cord (and battery, if applicable) to shut down a system. It works, but it doesn't allow things to come down cleanly. The reason that I used kill -9 in this case was that kill didn't work. I could change the procedure to use kill and then add a note suggesting that they use -9 if kill doesn't work. Would that be better? That would probably be better. Page 25: - Quotas only affect data written after compression is enabled. - Based upon failures that I've seen on sparc with live upgrade and manually tweaking compression, I think that compressed / may not work (I may be wrong). If so, this should be noted. OK, I'll get someone to give it a try. Be sure that you try pkg image-update et. al. or (better) confirm whether it is intended to be supported or not. 2) tell me about any procedures that we should add As others mentioned, pkg. beadm and grub probably belong nearby. Will pointers to the coverage in the Getting Started guide be enough? or do we need more? We had some GRUB procedures in an earlier working copy, but none of them worked right, so we cut them. Is there something in specific you'd like to see? I guess I'm not sure of the role of the two documents. I'll have to look around a bit more to see if I have some suggestions on how this would make most sense. Compatibility with pkgadd Do you want us to tell them how to run pkgadd? With the new packaging system, we were staying away from mentioning pkgadd. Are there useful packages that you could add to an OpenSolaris system? Studio 11, needed for ON development is a key one. If I were bringing this into an existing Solaris environment I may have my own or third party packages to install. Multi-boot configuration with Windows, Linux. Major bonus points for any tips for sharing data between OS's in a multi-boot configuration without network storage. Multi-boot is covered in the Getting Started Guide. Again, do we need more pointers? I'll look... I knew the sharing data question was going to come up. Unfortunately, I'm not sure that I can get fully tested procedure ready by Wednesday, but if I can't we will get something in as soon as possible. Quite understandable. -- Mike Gerdts http://mgerdts.blogspot.com/ ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
[indiana-discuss] REVIEW System Admin. Guide for the Back to School Kit
I have been leading a group of writers working on a companion to the Getting Started Guide. The idea is to document some useful procedures to help configure an OpenSolaris laptop after the OS is installed. Please take a look at a review draft of the OpenSolaris 2008.05 System Administration Guide (OSadminguide.pdf) at: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/files/ We have been working on this book for a couple of weeks, so we haven't had time to complete all sections or polish the content yet, but the current content should give you an idea of what we have decided to cover. In particular, the chapter about Useful Commands has not been worked on yet. Also, the links to docs.sun.com aren't working. I need to deliver this book for the Back To School Kit before August 8th, so please send me comments by COB on Wednesday 8/6. We will be developing this book further after the 8th for the 2008.11 release, so there will be more time for comments later. For now: 1) send any corrections to me or to the alias if discussion is needed 2) tell me about any procedures that we should add 3) please give me suggestions for a better book title Many thanks for your time and comments. -Kathy -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
Re: [indiana-discuss] REVIEW System Admin. Guide for the Back to School Kit
Hi Kathy, Many portions of the pdf file are not displayed, showing only empty spaces. I am running build 94. While this problem should be solved b/f 2008.11, I was wondering whether it would be possible to experiment a different pdf driver or different pdf export option(s)? Similar problems are also experienced in other Userguides. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
Re: [indiana-discuss] REVIEW System Admin. Guide for the Back to School Kit
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Kathy Slattery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) send any corrections to me or to the alias if discussion is needed Page 10: kill -9 pid should only be used if kill pid doesn't work. Those that subscribe to the kill -9 philosophy are likely to be the same ones that suggest pulling the power cord (and battery, if applicable) to shut down a system. It works, but it doesn't allow things to come down cleanly. Page 25: - Quotas only affect data written after compression is enabled. - Based upon failures that I've seen on sparc with live upgrade and manually tweaking compression, I think that compressed / may not work (I may be wrong). If so, this should be noted. Page 35: - The dladm output looks contrived. Why would the link bge0 (implying Broadcom hardware) claim to be device e1000g0 (implying Intel hardware)? - Suggestions as to strategies for getting a network driver onto a system that is missing the network driver may be useful. This question seems to have come up from time to time on the lists. 2) tell me about any procedures that we should add As others mentioned, pkg. beadm and grub probably belong nearby. Compatibility with pkgadd Multi-boot configuration with Windows, Linux. Major bonus points for any tips for sharing data between OS's in a multi-boot configuration without network storage. -- Mike Gerdts http://mgerdts.blogspot.com/ ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
Re: [indiana-discuss] REVIEW System Admin. Guide for the Back to School Kit
Glynn, Thanks for the quick input. See my comments below. On 2/08/2008, at 10:17 AM, Kathy Slattery wrote: A couple of comments based on an initial read - - 'How to start a Program' The use of program seems a little strange, perhaps it should be 'how to start a service' OK, that makes sense. No mention of pfexec? Given that this is one of the major features of 2008.05, it seems a pity not to mention it. I'll see what I can do. - It would be great to detail how to connect to an encrypted network (WEP/WPA) through use of the dladm create-secobj command. I'll let Steff Brucker work on this one. - No mention of IPS/packagemanager? That is covered in the Getting Started Guide. Obviously I should add some pointers or something. Would a specific entry in the Overview tables do, or should I create something more? -Kathy -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
Re: [indiana-discuss] REVIEW System Admin. Guide for the Back to School Kit
Mike, Please see my comments below: On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Kathy Slattery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) send any corrections to me or to the alias if discussion is needed Page 10: kill -9 pid should only be used if kill pid doesn't work. Those that subscribe to the kill -9 philosophy are likely to be the same ones that suggest pulling the power cord (and battery, if applicable) to shut down a system. It works, but it doesn't allow things to come down cleanly. The reason that I used kill -9 in this case was that kill didn't work. I could change the procedure to use kill and then add a note suggesting that they use -9 if kill doesn't work. Would that be better? Page 25: - Quotas only affect data written after compression is enabled. - Based upon failures that I've seen on sparc with live upgrade and manually tweaking compression, I think that compressed / may not work (I may be wrong). If so, this should be noted. OK, I'll get someone to give it a try. Page 35: - The dladm output looks contrived. Why would the link bge0 (implying Broadcom hardware) claim to be device e1000g0 (implying Intel hardware)? We had some confusion about the device names, so there is probably some examples that were not cleaned up properly. Thanks for noticing it. - Suggestions as to strategies for getting a network driver onto a system that is missing the network driver may be useful. This question seems to have come up from time to time on the lists. OK, I'll see what we can dig up. 2) tell me about any procedures that we should add As others mentioned, pkg. beadm and grub probably belong nearby. Will pointers to the coverage in the Getting Started guide be enough? or do we need more? We had some GRUB procedures in an earlier working copy, but none of them worked right, so we cut them. Is there something in specific you'd like to see? Compatibility with pkgadd Do you want us to tell them how to run pkgadd? With the new packaging system, we were staying away from mentioning pkgadd. Are there useful packages that you could add to an OpenSolaris system? Multi-boot configuration with Windows, Linux. Major bonus points for any tips for sharing data between OS's in a multi-boot configuration without network storage. Multi-boot is covered in the Getting Started Guide. Again, do we need more pointers? I knew the sharing data question was going to come up. Unfortunately, I'm not sure that I can get fully tested procedure ready by Wednesday, but if I can't we will get something in as soon as possible. Thanks for the comments. -Kathy -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
Re: [indiana-discuss] REVIEW System Admin. Guide for the Back to School Kit
W. Wayne Liauh wrote: Hi Kathy, Many portions of the pdf file are not displayed, showing only empty spaces. I am running build 94. While this problem should be solved b/f 2008.11, I was wondering whether it would be possible to experiment a different pdf driver or different pdf export option(s)? Similar problems are also experienced in other Userguides. This is not a PDF problem, it is a freetype font problem which was introduced with freetype 2.3.6 in b93 and should be fixed in b95 or b96. http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6723656 http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6712820 -- richard ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
