Pankaj ji Perhaps this image should clarify what I meant by straight and spirally running wings. E. tortilis has spirally running and E. antiquorum straight.
http://www.aridlands.com/catalog/popup_image.php?pID=2860&osCsid=gm3v4gonrocedtfv9d3c9kqnn4 <http://www.aridlands.com/catalog/popup_image.php?pID=2860&osCsid=gm3v4gonrocedtfv9d3c9kqnn4>If you look carefully the type specimen cited by you also has straight wings. -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Pankaj Kumar <sahanipan...@gmail.com>wrote: > Thanks for the detail. I totally forgot about neriifolia. > If you look at the second group of pics shared by Mr. Muthu, I think there > are two species. Secondly, in the lectotype, the wings are not straight. I > have seen both of these plants myself in gardens, and I always thought one > of them to be hybrid. But you are more experienced so you must be having a > better idea. > Thanks again. > Regards > Pankaj > > > On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Muthu ji >> Your two sets of plants seem to be the same E. antiquorum , only the >> matter of older and younger branches: All have distinctly 3-winged stems >> with straight wings. >> >> Rashida ji your first three plants are E. antiquorum without any doubt, >> but there is no reason to confuse the fourth photograph. It is without any >> wings and with spines which are spirally arranged. It should be E. >> neriifolia. This key from Flora of China should help in separating often >> confused species >> >> >> 4 >> (3)<http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=112355#KEY-1-3> >> Stems >> ± terete, leaves inserted on spirally arranged tubercles, spine shield >> widely separated. 29 *E. >> neriifolia*<http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=242321485> >> +Stems winged or ribbed, leaves arranged along ribs, spines shields often >> ± contiguous >> (5)<http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=112355#KEY-1-5> >> 5 >> (4)<http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=112355#KEY-1-4> >> Stem >> 3(or 4)-winged, wings thin and irregularly dentate, 1-2 cm wide. 30 *E. >> antiquorum*<http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=220005106>+Stem >> 5-7-angular, angles impressed and flat, irregularly repand-dentate. >> >> 31 *E. >> royleana<http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=242321511> >> * >> * >> * >> * <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=242321511>* >> * >> -- >> >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> Retired Associate Professor >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> * >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Pankaj Kumar <sahanipan...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Just wanted to add. Euphorbia is a very big group and one most >>> interesting thing is, the genus Euphorbia has two type species, >>> Euphorbia antiquorum and Euphirbia serrata. I never heard a genus with >>> two types before. If anyone else knows then please do add to our >>> information. >>> Kew has a list of around over 5000 names of which only ~2000 names are >>> accepted. That itself depicts the taxonomic complications here. >>> Regards >>> Pankaj >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Pankaj Kumar <sahanipan...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> > Dear Muthu >>> > Here is the lectotype of Euphorbia antiquorum L. >>> > Lectotype : Herb. Clifford: 196, Euphorbia 1 (BM-000628669) >>> > Designated by: Wijnands in Bot. Commelins : 97 (1983) >>> > You can clearly make out which is the real Euphorbia antiquorum. >>> > >>> > There is another species called Euphorbia royleana. Kindly check your >>> > plant with that description. I am not sure if this plant is found in >>> > South India but it is supposed to be widespread from Pakistan to >>> > Taiwan. I assume I have seen it in Uttarakhand as well as Rajasthan. >>> > >>> > Regards >>> > Pankaj >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Dr Pankaj Kumar >>> > <sahanipan...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> >> From: Muthu Karthick <nmk....@gmail.com> >>> >> Date: Feb 15, 12:08 pm >>> >> Subject: thorny Euphorbia sp. >>> >> To: efloraofindia >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Dear all, >>> >> These plants are from the same locality. Kindly excuse me for mixing >>> >> two >>> >> species(?) in the same post. Please guide me in this morphology of * >>> >> Euphorbia* spp. >>> >> >>> >> The previous plant posted have straight grooves and not that of *E. >>> >> antiquorum*. Is this any physical variation or totally the species is >>> >> different? >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Muthu Karthick <nmk....@gmail.com> >>> >> wrote: >>> >>> Thank you all, and Pardeshiji cleared my doubt on inflorescence >>> colour. >>> >> >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Usha Desai <ushande...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >>>> E. antqourum....nice picture of Praying mantis in the last >>> picture,preying >>> >>>> for prey[?] >>> >>>> Thanks for sharing.E antquorum is flowering all over Mumbai. >>> >>>> Usha Desai >>> >> >>> >>>> On 1 February 2011 20:11, tanay bose <tanaybos...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >> >>> >>>>> *Euphorbia antiquorum* >>> >>>>> ***Tanay >>> >>>>> * >>> >> >>> >>>>> On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 6:18 AM, Pardeshi S. < >>> satishparde...@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >> >>> >>>>>> the young inflorescence appears green. once the ivary is formed it >>> >>>>>> would impart the reddish/ purplish tone. >>> >> >>> >>>>>> Regards >>> >>>>>> Satish Pardeshi >>> >> >>> >>>>>> On Feb 1, 4:31 pm, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>>>> > Muthu ji >>> >>>>>> > I would go with E. antiquurum, because the angles are distinctly >>> >>>>>> 3-winged, >>> >>>>>> > the wings are running almost straight. In E. tortilis the angles >>> are >>> >>>>>> not >>> >>>>>> > that promently winged, they are lobulate with stout paired >>> spines on >>> >>>>>> lobes, >>> >>>>>> > and most importantly the angles are spirally twisted like we >>> have in >>> >>>>>> E. >>> >>>>>> > neriifolia where of course the angles are not that prominents, >>> and >>> >>>>>> there are >>> >>>>>> > 5 spiral rows. >>> >> >>> >>>>>> > -- >>> >>>>>> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>> >>>>>> > Retired Associate Professor >>> >>>>>> > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>> >>>>>> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>> >>>>>> > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>> >> >>> >>>>>> > On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Muthu Karthick < >>> nmk....@gmail.com> >>> >>>>>> wrote: >>> >>>>>> > > Dear all, >>> >>>>>> > > descriptions match this thorny shrub as *Euphorbia >>> antiquorum*. I >>> >>>>>> suspect >>> >>>>>> > > this to be a different species owing to the colour of flowers. >>> >>>>>> Please >>> >>>>>> > > help to solve this. >>> >>>>>> > > Could this be *E. tortilis*? >>> >> >>> >>>>>> > > Location: Sathyamangalam wls; 300 msl >>> >>>>>> > > Date: 15 Dec 2010 >>> >> >>> >>>>>> > > -- >>> >>>>>> > > Muthu Karthick, N >>> >>>>>> > > Junior Research Fellow >>> >>>>>> > > Care Earth Trust >>> >>>>>> > > #15, second main road, >>> >>>>>> > > Thillai ganga nagar, >>> >>>>>> > > Chennai - 600 061 >>> >>>>>> > > Mob: 09626833911 >>> >>>>>> > >www.careearthtrust.org >>> >> >>> >>>>> -- >>> >>>>> *Tanay Bose* >>> >>>>> Research Assistant & Teaching Assistant. >>> >>>>> Department of Botany. >>> >>>>> University of British Columbia . >>> >>>>> 3529-6270 University Blvd. >>> >>>>> Vancouver, B.C. 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