Re: alt-tab? really? you're joking...

2015-01-25 Thread Glyn Millington
Hikaru Ichijyo ichi...@macross.sdf.jp writes:

 Winston w...@ubeblock.psr.com.invalid writes:

 Hikaru Ichijyo ichi...@macross.sdf.jp asked:
 Is there any way I can make cancelled messages just go away?  (After
 all, they don't even exist anymore...)

 'x' ?

 The reason that (gnus-summary-limit-to-unread) wouldn't work for me is
 because I'm setup to display old emails in all mail groups.  I only
 limit to unread in newsgroups.

 So, I'd like a way to get rid of cancelled articles even while read ones
 are still visible.

 It's possible there may not be a way to do it, since Gnus seems strongly
 biased toward treating everything as a newsgroup, and thus may assume
 that you never see old articles by default, but I thought I'd ask
 anyway.


The 'display'  group parameter may help?

h


atb






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Re: Immediate expiration

2015-01-25 Thread Damien Wyart
* Hikaru Ichijyo ichi...@macross.sdf.jp in gnu.emacs.gnus:
 Is there a way I can make messages that I have already expired from
 the Summary buffer really disappear from view?

I use (setq nnmail-expiry-wait 'immediate), and both Z G nd Z R work for
me, they make E articles disappear immediately (which I marked with E key).

I also have (setq gnus-agent-expire-all t), but I am not sure if it
comes into play.

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Re: alt-tab? really? you're joking...

2015-01-25 Thread Glyn Millington
Hikaru Ichijyo ichi...@macross.sdf.jp writes:

 Winston w...@ubeblock.psr.com.invalid writes:

 Hikaru Ichijyo ichi...@macross.sdf.jp asked:
 Is there any way I can make cancelled messages just go away?  (After
 all, they don't even exist anymore...)

 'x' ?

 The reason that (gnus-summary-limit-to-unread) wouldn't work for me is
 because I'm setup to display old emails in all mail groups.  I only
 limit to unread in newsgroups.

 So, I'd like a way to get rid of cancelled articles even while read ones
 are still visible.

 It's possible there may not be a way to do it, since Gnus seems strongly
 biased toward treating everything as a newsgroup, and thus may assume
 that you never see old articles by default, but I thought I'd ask anyway.

Sorry - hit return too soon - here's the link for gnus-parameters


http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/gnus/Group-Parameters.html

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Re: alt-tab? really? you're joking...

2015-01-25 Thread incal
a...@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes:

 Adam, who had to configure alt-tab in his window
 manager to do as everywhere else, because his
 colleagues got all confused when borrowing his
 keyboard/computer.

*Laughter*

I don't think it would have mattered if I borrowed my
computer to Steve Wozniak himself, he'd still have to
pick it apart piece by piece before he could make any
sense of it!

No, not really. It is just Emacs and zsh. A modified
Emacs and a modified zsh...

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new subject (was: alt-tab? really? you're joking...)

2015-01-25 Thread Peter Münster
On Sun, Jan 25 2015, incal wrote:

 Or if it gradually evolved out of the old one but
 still has some connection, keep the old subject like
 this

 Subject: new subject (was: old subject)

Yeah, C-c C-f s !  ;)

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Re: alt-tab? really? you're joking...

2015-01-25 Thread incal
Hikaru Ichijyo ichi...@macross.sdf.jp writes:

 Now, I do have another question of course (us Gnus
 newbies like me have those without end, I'd
 imagine...)

What I can tell there aren't that many Gnus newbies
around - I wish there were! - so don't be afraid
you'll flood this roup with questions or anything.

But if you want to be something more than a newbie,
the fool-proof method is acting like a professional
right away: start to write more elaborate subjects,
that are descriptive of the problem or, well subject
in short! - and not ironic in style.

And when you have a new question, start a new thread.
Or if it gradually evolved out of the old one but
still has some connection, keep the old subject like
this

Subject: new subject (was: old subject)

That is typically done when the new subject needs a
quotation from the old subject. If not, just create
a new subject.

 Is there a way I can make messages that I have
 already expired from the Summary buffer really
 disappear from view?

To me, it is easier not to bother with the expire
stuff at all. Just read the the material, or
implicitly use use `gnus-summary-mark-as-read-forward'
for what you don't want to read, and you are done. Use
`gnus-summary-tick-article-forward' for what you want
to read, only later, and for what you've read but you
want to keep, still (like a mail that contains
instructions what/how to do something). When you are
done, use `gnus-summary-mark-as-read-forward' to be
done with those, too. Here, I mention the command
names but that should be close, one-letter keystrokes,
of course...

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Re: new subject (was: alt-tab? really? you're joking...)

2015-01-25 Thread incal
incal embe8...@student.uu.se writes:

 Indeed, however sometimes you reply to a post the
 old way, and in mid-edit you realize you are talking
 about something else.

 Or do you have a keystroke for that as well?

No, it is the other way around, it works the way I
thought it didn't, but it doesn't work the way I
thought it did. Yes, that makes more sense.

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Re: new subject (was: alt-tab? really? you're joking...)

2015-01-25 Thread incal
Peter Münster pmli...@free.fr writes:

 Or if it gradually evolved out of the old one but
 still has some connection, keep the old subject
 like this Subject: new subject (was: old subject)

 Yeah, C-c C-f s ! ;)

Indeed, however sometimes you reply to a post the old
way, and in mid-edit you realize you are talking about
something else.

Or do you have a keystroke for that as well?

Actually, I do - sort of:

http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/conf/emacs-init/gnus/moggle.el

:)

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Re: alt-tab? really? you're joking...

2015-01-25 Thread Winston
Hikaru Ichijyo ichi...@macross.sdf.jp asked:
 Is there any way I can make cancelled messages just go away?  (After
 all, they don't even exist anymore...)

'x' ?
 -WBE
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Re: alt-tab? really? you're joking...

2015-01-25 Thread Adam Sjøgren
Hikaru writes:

 a...@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes:

 Where in BBDB was this M-TAB business annoying you?

 Well, it's not anymore!

I understand that, but TAB works for me with v2, as I explained, so I
was wondering exactly where it did not work for you. Maybe we are using
bbdb in different ways.

 As I've said, I'm on v3 now. I'm not going back to v2 to look more at
 its behavior, because it's moot to me now. Problem solved!

That's fine, I was just curious to where it didn't work for you, as it
works for me - I wasn't asking you to go back to v2, just to tell me
where it didn't work from memory.

 Is there a way I can make messages that I have already expired from the
 Summary buffer really disappear from view?

I have no idea, I have never used expiration - harddisks/SSDs have been
big enough for such a long time that I have never felt the need to
delete email.

I don't even delete spam.


  Best regards,

Adam

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Re: new subject

2015-01-25 Thread Peter Münster
On Sun, Jan 25 2015, incal wrote:

 Yeah, C-c C-f s ! ;)

 Indeed, however sometimes you reply to a post the old
 way,

Hi,

What is the old way?


 and in mid-edit you realize you are talking about something else.
 Or do you have a keystroke for that as well?

Yes: C-c C-f s. (Why as well?)


 Actually, I do - sort of:
 http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/conf/emacs-init/gnus/moggle.el

What is this?

Anyway, you seem to do strange things:
- When you reply to a message, Gnus usually strips the (was: ...)
  part. That did not happen in your reply.
- You replied to my message, but it does not appear in your
  References: header, so that the thread is broken.
Do you really use Gnus?

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Re: Immediate expiration

2015-01-25 Thread Hikaru Ichijyo
Damien Wyart damien.wy...@free.fr writes:

 * Hikaru Ichijyo ichi...@macross.sdf.jp in gnu.emacs.gnus:
 Is there a way I can make messages that I have already expired from
 the Summary buffer really disappear from view?

 I use (setq nnmail-expiry-wait 'immediate), and both Z G nd Z R work for
 me, they make E articles disappear immediately (which I marked with E key).

 I also have (setq gnus-agent-expire-all t), but I am not sure if it
 comes into play.

That's it -- it's the Z G (gnus-summary-rescan-group) that does it.  I
have to run that after expiring to make them go away.  I may create a
function that runs gnus-summary-expire-articles-now then
gnus-summary-rescan-group on one keypress.

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Re: new subject

2015-01-25 Thread Clemens Schüller
Hello!

On 25. Jän. 2015 at 20:58 Peter Münster wrote:
 On Sun, Jan 25 2015, incal wrote:


 Yeah, C-c C-f s ! ;)

 Indeed, however sometimes you reply to a post the old
 way,

 Hi,

 What is the old way?

I have this in my .gnus and it works very well :-)

--8---cut here---start-8---
(defun dpi-change-subject (neues-subject)
  introduces new subject.
  (interactive snew Subject: )
  (let ((case-fold-search nil))
(goto-line 0)
(re-search-forward ^Subject: )
(if (re-search-forward R[Ee]:  nil t)
(replace-match )
  )
(insert-string neues-subject)
(insert-string  (was: )
(end-of-line)
(insert-string ))
)
  )

(define-key message-mode-map '[(meta n)] 'dpi-change-subject)
--8---cut here---end---8---



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Re: new subject

2015-01-25 Thread Emanuel Berg
Peter Münster pmli...@free.fr writes:

 Anyway, you seem to do strange things: - When you
 reply to a message, Gnus usually strips the (was:
 ...) part. That did not happen in your reply.

Indeed:

(setq message-subject-trailing-was-query nil) 

 - You replied to my message, but it does not appear
 in your References: header, so that the thread is
 broken.

Yes, if you can figure out why that happens please
tell me. I have my Gnus Elisp here:

http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/conf/emacs-init/gnus/

 Do you really use Gnus?

Oh, no! I'm exposed after all this time...

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Re: new subject

2015-01-25 Thread Emanuel Berg
Clemens Schüller cs.mlists+info-g...@mailbox.org
writes:

 What is the old way?

 I have this in my .gnus and it works very well :-)

See Peter? My way isn't the only one old!

:)

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