Re: spam

2015-01-26 Thread incal
Hikaru Ichijyo  writes:

> It's a real science, making tasteless ads look like
> something you need to be reading. :)

You can't fool everyone - but you can fool some, and
those are the ones you want to concentrate on...

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Re: spam

2015-01-26 Thread Hikaru Ichijyo
incal  writes:

> You seem to get a lot of spam. While it is mostly the
> job of the server software not to propagate it, last
> line of defense client-side anti-spam is something I
> would like to have better.

I've been accumulating good ones for a very long time.  Actually, I
don't get much.  I use procmail to filter it.

> But I do get spam very rarely so someone must be doing
> something right.

It's a real science, making tasteless ads look like something you need
to be reading.  :)

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spam (was: alt-tab? really? you're joking...)

2015-01-26 Thread incal
Hikaru Ichijyo  writes:

> I only keep the really good spam emails. There have
> been some classics:
>
> "If your warrior of love is too small, you may lose
> this war!" ...

You seem to get a lot of spam. While it is mostly the
job of the server software not to propagate it, last
line of defense client-side anti-spam is something I
would like to have better.

I have the KILL file which may look like this:

(gnus-kill "From" "\"Dealsbycm.se\"" '(gnus-summary-mark-as-read nil "X") t)
;; etc.
(gnus-expunge "X")

I do like the idea of basing anti-spam on header-value
pairs (and regexps), so you can just block them off
one by one. (On the server probably something more
advanced/powerful and algorithmic is called for,
depending on volume.)

What I don't like with the KILL file solution is that
it is in code (Elisp) contrary to just have a textfile
of data.

I did some work to automatize it: it works, without
giving the impression of being rock-steady. Something
like that should definitely be added to Gnus if it
isn't already.

http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/conf/emacs-init/gnus/lamer.el
http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/conf/.zsh/special/gnus_kill

But I do get spam very rarely so someone must be doing
something right.

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Re: alt-tab? really? you're joking...

2015-01-26 Thread incal
incal  writes:

>> Well, in any programming mode, `' runs
>> `completion-at-point' or `complete-symbol' which
>> are the main completion functions in emacs.
>> (Actually, that's bound to `C-M-i' but that
>> translates to `' which is much easier to
>> type.)
>
> To me  isn't more difficult to type (in a
> way, it is easier/better as the left index finger
> can remain at ), and it doesn't translate to
> , which by the way I had to configure. But
> now I got suspicious: I'll remove the configuration
> and see if it still works...

Without the configuration,  translates to
 in the Linux VTs.

Those keys are both very good, so why have them do the
same thing? It is a waste.

For example, I use  to scroll a "pane" (and
 to scroll a line), and  to switch between
buffers.

Here is how to get both keys, again in a Linux VT:

In /etc/console-setup/remap.inc

alt keycode 15   = U+1003 # M-TAB

Then execute this function:

lkeys () {
sudo loadkeys --clearcompose --clearstrings \
/etc/console-setup/remap.inc > /dev/null
}

Last, in an Emacs init file:

(define-key input-decode-map [?\u1003] [M-tab])

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Re: alt-tab? really? you're joking...

2015-01-26 Thread incal
Tassilo Horn  writes:

> Well, in any programming mode, `' runs
> `completion-at-point' or `complete-symbol' which are
> the main completion functions in emacs. (Actually,
> that's bound to `C-M-i' but that translates to
> `' which is much easier to type.)

To me  isn't more difficult to type (in a way,
it is easier/better as the left index finger can
remain at ), and it doesn't translate to ,
which by the way I had to configure. But now I got
suspicious: I'll remove the configuration and see if
it still works...

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Re: alt-tab? really? you're joking...

2015-01-26 Thread Emanuel Berg
a...@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes:

> I don't even delete spam ...
>
> (If I miss a legitimate email that ended up in spam,
> and I need to find it later, I would hate to have
> deleted it... slight OCD/packrat, I suppose.)

There's that, which doesn't have to be a bad thing,
but also: if the mail doesn't show up anywhere, I
perceive them as virtually deleted.

If they are deleted they can still be retrieved, but
that would be uncertain and require work. Better to
know they are 100% "retrievable" and then still never
do it, anyway.

Many people form the Windows world want the Linux
(etc.) systems to be "clean", "minimalist", and so on.
This is a misconception, but I understand where it
comes from. On a Windows computer there are one
thousand things that runs in the so-called
"background" that pops up all the time, and drains
your computer of resources, and your mind of
mindfulness. However, this isn't the same as having
one thousand binaries in /usr/bin or ten thousand
mails as textfiles in ~/Mail/mail/misc - and while
removing those files will make your system less
*powerful*, it won't get any more clean or minimalist.

Just sayin' as an example, not applying to anyone in
particular.

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Re: new subject

2015-01-26 Thread Emanuel Berg
Peter Münster  writes:

> Is incal = Emanuel Berg?

Yes, I'm migrating to another computer, because I have
to physically "mount" my computer every day, so I
thought I'd get a really small and light one (but
still stationary), only I discovered the new one lacks
a hardware PMC which I need for some experiments, so
now I'm "mounting" back and forth between computers -
I guess some setting fell short: it shouldn't say
"incal" which is my hacker alias (don't tell
anyone)...

> What is wrong with `message-change-subject'?

Nothing, on the contrary, that is the right way,
however since it is such an easy thing to do which you
don't do that often, I suspect there are people who
did their own Elisp to do it, and people who just do
it manually, instead of finding out there is a builtin
way to do it.

> Initially, I just wanted to point you to
> `message-change-subject'

Yes, we understood :)

(message-change-subject NEW-SUBJECT)

Ask for NEW-SUBJECT header, append (was: ).

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Re: alt-tab? really? you're joking...

2015-01-26 Thread Adam Sjøgren
Tassilo writes:

> a...@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes:

>> I don't even delete spam.

> At some future point in time, you might want to come back to these cheap
> VIAGRA offers? ;-)

I'm growing old, you know... ;-)

(If I miss a legitimate email that ended up in spam, and I need to find
it later, I would hate to have deleted it... slight OCD/packrat, I
suppose.)


  Best regards,

Adam

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Re: alt-tab? really? you're joking...

2015-01-26 Thread Tassilo Horn
Hikaru Ichijyo  writes:

>> M-TAB is used for completion in dozens other places in emacs.
>
> Really?  I don't doubt you, but I'd never run into that before.  I've
> seen lots of ordinary tab completion, but never M-TAB.

Well, in any programming mode, `' runs `completion-at-point' or
`complete-symbol' which are the main completion functions in emacs.
(Actually, that's bound to `C-M-i' but that translates to `'
which is much easier to type.)

>> You have 3 options:
>>
>>   a) Use `ESC TAB' instead of `M-TAB'.
>
> That would work.  A little awkward, but it would work.
>
>>   b) Use some other key as Meta, e.g., the windows key commonly found on
>>  keyboards.
>
> X11 on my system is already mapping that as "Super", and I'm already
> using it that way in numerous personal key bindings.  (It's convenient
> that almost nothing in Emacs seems to pre-define it for anything, so
> it's been a great place to put user defined stuff.)

That's true, but OTOH I favor a strict separation of keys, e.g., Control
and Meta are reserved for emacs, Super is reserved for the X11 window
manager.

Bye,
Tassilo


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Re: new subject

2015-01-26 Thread Peter Münster
On Sun, Jan 25 2015, Emanuel Berg wrote:

> Clemens Schüller 
> writes:
>
>>> What is the old way?
>>
>> I have this in my .gnus and it works very well :-)
>
> See Peter?

No, not at all, sorry...
What is the old way?
What is your way?
Is incal = Emanuel Berg?
What is wrong with `message-change-subject'?

Initially, I just wanted to point you to `message-change-subject', but
now I'm confused and I don't understand what you're talking about...

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