Re: What happened to nnslashdot and nnultimate
a...@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes: I would guess interest faded. for forums there exist tapatalk so some people are still interested in not using garbage browsers for such tasks, even a company probably earns much money with that software. Cool! It sounds really easy, when you put it like that. Have you started working on this module yet? You seem really keen on it. Be sure to share it with the world, when you've got it working! So u critisize me for trolling, then u troll 10 times more than I do, that makes sense. It is also a good method to get people to dismiss you as a kook. see last sentence thats true for u then too. Nobody wanted to do that for the bitrotten modules you so long for. It is no more complicated than that, really. So u KNOW that? or u just GUESS GUESS GUESS around wildly or did u read every forum posts on taht topic did u scan the internet for every newsreader and other stuff? I know and admit happily that I dont know all, so I ask if somebody else knows something, I learned u dont know anything about my topic, good for u if nobody else answers in 2-3 days, ok there is maybe really no solution except doing something for myself or live with it. But because I use gnus sinse a few months and maybe emacs since a year, I ask here because I thought thats the point of this forums for people to ask stuff. aka get support. BTW I did never tell somebody to develop it for me or something else, I just tried to get answers to facts that make no sense to me, again it makes no sense to remove a big feature without a good reason from a software. So maybe somebody else then u that dont have to guess why that is stumbles over this post and gives a real answer. Well, the number of people who were willing to do the work to keep those two backends working was zero. So u know that for a fact? u are a gnus developer? I have been known to throw trolls a bad apple or two. Like now. so when I troll I am a troll and when u troll u throw apples ok. And what are you doing about it? First I check if somebody else solved this problem before because I am not stupid and dont want to reinvent the wheel again and again. Why do you find that odd? Show me some software that never has regressions. But they have regression mostly out of a mistake, they dont explizitly commit regressions most of the time. Oh, and what browser might that be? eww: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/eww ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: What happened to nnslashdot and nnultimate
() Stefan Huchler stefan.huch...@mail.de () Fri, 25 Jul 2014 22:01:21 +0200 And what are you doing about it? First I check if somebody else solved this problem before because I am not stupid and dont want to reinvent the wheel again and again. Why not? Maybe the wheel you reinvent will be more suited than previously (re-)invented wheels and thus stay around longer (yuk yuk). :-D I think what people are trying to tell you is that screen-scraping is a slog and maintaining programs that screen-scrape is doubly (or triply) so, to the extent that you end up going from big feature to big PITA to big relief when the suffering ends. That is the real answer. That is the real wheel. -- Thien-Thi Nguyen GPG key: 4C807502 (if you're human and you know it) read my lisp: (responsep (questions 'technical) (not (via 'mailing-list))) = nil signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: What happened to nnslashdot and nnultimate
a...@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes: Webscraping forum-sites is a lot of work, as you have to keep up with every little change. yes but they did it in the past, was it at that point in time easier? The websites that are making money on advertising probably don't have much incentive to not break access methods that effectively bypass their income. yes so conzentrate first on the pages who arent owned by unmoralic companies, I guess slashdot could be such site, and also something like phoronix.com should be stable enough taht not all 2 days web interface change. that does not work against addblocks too, so thats no real answer if they cant hinder the 90% people which use adblocks they will not care about the 1% emacs users. And another thing I get that nobody takes the time to support 100 differently random sites, that change here and there, but as example with wordpress blog feature u would have one module for 99% of the blogs so u had to support only one modul. Or some forum types I would even have a use case for MyBB Forums, such software does only get a patch every 1000 years so it would be also easy to support and u would support thousends of sites with one modul. Oh, and people who use such systems are probably not the most forgiving/grateful people you can find. I suspect they are likely to bitch and moan, rather than do some work to solve the problem themselves. Sorry dont take a bit of trolling from me personal, its just a good technic to get some reactions / answers. And also to release some frustration this garbage browsers generate onto everybody. 99% of the net population think it is good enough/don't care? Most of the time there are no alternatives, so they only have the choice to not write in forums or use that web ui, or do u have some data that shows that people are happy or dont care about that issue, that some people that are no developers what should be 90% dont do something about it, doesnt mean they dont care about it, they just dont care so much about it that they make a diploma in computer science or at least invest 100 hours to learn the skills to do that, if not more. Someone recently suggested that apps were nice for corporations like that because you can do anything with the users data, where browsers have at least some amount of user-centric protection. Hmm, still both exists, facebook webinterface for mobile and the app same with twitter, so not evil companies forced their users to use these apps, the users like it better. So they do care, at least enough to install and setup apps 10 minutes. But if u messure how much users care, u should maybe shut down gnus too, because 99% of the users dont care about gnus. Or emacs, 99% of the people wordwide dont use emacs. its not always a question of the quantity, also about the quality. I can speculate on why they were removed, if you really want: The code did not work anymore, and nobody was interested enough in the functionality to step up and fix it. I just cant belive that all my problems are special to me, we have 7 Billion people on the world, so am I really the only person with that problem. Like u said tapatalk is proprietary and facebook app too so its no real option, and u have the problem not fully solved too, because each apps works slithly different. Maybe people interested in slashdot comments are more interested in ranting than doing work fixing code? Lol normaly I dont use slashdot, it seemed to me only the most common news site for technical people, and there was a backend. Maybe the answer is to spend the time doing something else? :-) Maybe not, do u not comment on political stuff never when somebody trolls u dont answer to him? :) I just dont see mailing lists a complete replacement for news sites. But if you say taht gnus users only use mailing lists and never open news sites and never comment on youtube videos, I search on gwene or gmane if I found there some newsgroups where I can answer to current news and try to use them. just looked again u cant answer to newsticker mailing lists... from gwene or gmene, so we are back to tv time where u only get oneway brain washing tv without possibility to argue against it, so that others have achange to read the througth. Best regards, Stefan p.s. I just find it odd that gnus has regressions, is it a dying project taht each day has less users or do people nowadays not do such stuff that they could do in the past with gnus with another newsreader, or did they all quit using emacs? at least we get now in emacs 24.4 a modern textbased browser maybe with that some forum modules re appear. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: What happened to nnslashdot and nnultimate
Stefan Huchler stefan.huch...@mail.de writes: Webscraping forum-sites is a lot of work, as you have to keep up with every little change. yes but they did it in the past, was it at that point in time easier? I would guess interest faded. And another thing I get that nobody takes the time to support 100 differently random sites, that change here and there, but as example with wordpress blog feature u would have one module for 99% of the blogs so u had to support only one modul. Or some forum types I would even have a use case for MyBB Forums, such software does only get a patch every 1000 years so it would be also easy to support and u would support thousends of sites with one modul. Cool! It sounds really easy, when you put it like that. Have you started working on this module yet? You seem really keen on it. Be sure to share it with the world, when you've got it working! Sorry dont take a bit of trolling from me personal, its just a good technic to get some reactions / answers. And also to release some frustration this garbage browsers generate onto everybody. It is also a good method to get people to dismiss you as a kook. But if u messure how much users care, u should maybe shut down gnus too, because 99% of the users dont care about gnus. Or emacs, 99% of the people wordwide dont use emacs. its not always a question of the quantity, also about the quality. Gnus and Emacs will continue to exist as long as there are people willing to do the work it takes to keep them alive. Nobody wanted to do that for the bitrotten modules you so long for. It is no more complicated than that, really. I just cant belive that all my problems are special to me, we have 7 Billion people on the world, so am I really the only person with that problem. Well, the number of people who were willing to do the work to keep those two backends working was zero. And that number includes you :-) Like u said tapatalk is proprietary I never said such a thing - I had never heard about tapatalk until you started talking about it. I still don't know what it is, and I couldn't care less. Maybe not, do u not comment on political stuff never when somebody trolls u dont answer to him? :) I have been known to throw trolls a bad apple or two. Like now. I just dont see mailing lists a complete replacement for news sites. Cool. Nobody said that they were that. But if you say taht gnus users only use mailing lists and never open news sites and never comment on youtube videos, I never said such a thing. Please refrain for putting words in my mouth. so we are back to tv time where u only get oneway brain washing tv without possibility to argue against it, so that others have achange to read the througth. And what are you doing about it? p.s. I just find it odd that gnus has regressions, Why do you find that odd? Show me some software that never has regressions. (Removal of a non-working feature that nobody wants to fix is not a regression, by the way. That is simply maintenance.) is it a dying project taht each day has less users or do people nowadays not do such stuff that they could do in the past with gnus with another newsreader, or did they all quit using emacs? As long as somebody is interested enough in the code to keep it working, it will live on. That is one of the beautiful things about Free Software, I think. at least we get now in emacs 24.4 a modern textbased browser maybe with that some forum modules re appear. Oh, and what browser might that be? Best regards, Adam -- It's my chainsawAdam Sjøgren Division is mine a...@koldfront.dk ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: What happened to nnslashdot and nnultimate
ok u answered my quetion literaly. But the question behind my question is, what else like that is there, and if nothing is there why. Why would people want to use this horrific forums of websites which are not consistent at all? So either u comment on nothing as example a youtube video or a news on a german news site, or u have to use this horrific slow website interfaces with horrible mouse-only guis. Even on smartphones u have software like tapatalk becuase browser suck on mobile even more than on a big screen. Even websites like facebook and twitter use non-browser-interfaces because they know that webinterface is broken. Its so retarded to buy 10 ssds 50gb ram and quadcore computers for what to fire the 50 open tabs in the browser. Its just the ugliest, incosistent, slowest, dumbest, resource-eating idea to render newsgroups or stuff like that (forums) with html. If it were only that it would be bad enough, but u cant even make the font sizes bigger on websites without breaking every second website, and then other sites just have to scroll sidewards if u give them less than 1024 pixels size horrizental. Its a constant pain, and u say to me they removed that killer feature without any reason. Again to come the questions how am I supposed to write in a non painfull way comments to blogs websites??? ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: What happened to nnslashdot and nnultimate
Stefan Huchler stefan.huch...@mail.de writes: ok u answered my quetion literaly. But the question behind my question is, what else like that is there, and if nothing is there why. Webscraping forum-sites is a lot of work, as you have to keep up with every little change. The websites that are making money on advertising probably don't have much incentive to not break access methods that effectively bypass their income. Oh, and people who use such systems are probably not the most forgiving/grateful people you can find. I suspect they are likely to bitch and moan, rather than do some work to solve the problem themselves. Why would people want to use this horrific forums of websites which are not consistent at all? 99% of the net population think it is good enough/don't care? Even websites like facebook and twitter use non-browser-interfaces because they know that webinterface is broken. Someone recently suggested that apps were nice for corporations like that because you can do anything with the users data, where browsers have at least some amount of user-centric protection. [... more ranting cut ...] Its a constant pain, and u say to me they removed that killer feature without any reason. I said no such thing. I can speculate on why they were removed, if you really want: The code did not work anymore, and nobody was interested enough in the functionality to step up and fix it. Maybe people interested in slashdot comments are more interested in ranting than doing work fixing code? Again to come the questions how am I supposed to write in a non painfull way comments to blogs websites??? Maybe the answer is to spend the time doing something else? :-) Best regards, Adam -- Lil'Johnny's mund er fuld af blod Adam Sjøgren a...@koldfront.dk ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: What happened to nnslashdot and nnultimate
Jeffrey DeLeo jeffreyde...@gmail.com writes: You can subscribe to the group gwene.org.slashdot which is on the server news.gwene.org. Gwene is an RSS (and Atom, etc) to Usenet News (i. e., NNTP) gateway. Works quite well. Gwene doesn't allow you to post comments, though. (Not surprising for a general tool when you think about it, but I think the original poster was looking for that functionality.) Best regards, Adam -- They were trying to make me an insider to some kind Adam Sjøgren of trip they were on. I don't think so. a...@koldfront.dk ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: What happened to nnslashdot and nnultimate
yes thats what I wanted basicly I want something like Tapatalk but as foss and for the pc. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
What happened to nnslashdot and nnultimate
I experimented with shimbun but as far as I understand it its more or less only there to show newstickers but not to view and post comments at least thats not what I see in heise.de newsticker. So I digged around further thought ok slashdot is pretty famous geek site, so lets search for that and gnus and I found gnus documentation which mentions nnslashdot and nnultimate as methods for gnus groups. http://sunsite.ualberta.ca/Documentation/Gnu/emacs-21.1/html_chapter/gnus_6.html#SEC173 In the current documentation I dont find this methods anymore. Did they just got removed and replaced with nothing else? I hate this fuckin web-forums. So is there no way to use my themed consistend newsreader (gnus) instead of this laggy flashy forums sites? ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
