On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 11:35:09AM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 04:04:41PM +0200, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 3:20 PM Neal Gompa wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 3:01 PM Stephen Smoogen
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 26 Sept 2022 at 17:56, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Here's my thoughts on rhel9 upgrades.
> > > >>
> > > >> We have 188 RHEL7 or RHEL8 instances (counting both vm's and bare
> > > >> hardware).
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Some will just not move anytime soon:
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > Is it possible to look at these as 'why does this need fedmsg?' 'what
> > > > happens if it doesn't have fedmsg', and 'do we need it?'
>
> Sure, we can.
>
> But at this point I think we have already gotten rid of most of the
> things we really don't need. So, someone will need to make a compelling
> argument for dropping things (at least to me).
>
> > > > mailman01 is one where maybe not having it on fedmsg wouldn't be earth
> > > > shattering
> > > > but it also has the bigger problem of all its libraries being FTBFS in
> > > > Fedora and
> > > > being retired from there. At which point we go with 'do we need to run
> > > > mailing lists?'
>
> Well, until we figure out how to otherwise handle the use cases that
> mailing lists handle now?
>
> For example: all the -sig groups in pagure have mailing lists that get
> all the bugs send to it. We would need to find another way to get bug
> content to those groups (and still keep it private).
> scm-commits is still important IMHO, because its a external record of
> changes. If someone messed with git history, that might be the only
> record of real changes.
> devel/test/a few other lists are still active. They would have to move
> to discourse or otherwise have something.
>
> So, needs a concrete plan. I am not at all in favor of 'turn it off'
> without moving all the needs.
I took it more as a: do we need to *run* mailing list? More than a: Do we need
mailing list?
Ie: should we look to host our lists for us?
That's a fair question and I can see pros and cons to it, but I'm definitely in
the camp of "we need mailing lists" :)
Pierre
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