Re: [Inkscape-board] [REFERENDUM] Donation to SFC
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 9:10 PM, Ted Gould t...@gould.cx wrote: My impression from Karen's e-mail was that she felt for previous to discussing the FSA a donation was reasonable, but for the future they'd prefer the 10%. Correct. That was my impression too. But putting language in the FSA isn't leaving a donation as something that could be considered a reasonable choice for us to make, it's making it a requirement. We're all on board for the mandatory 10%, but weaseling in the language about a required donation (I brought it up as uncomfortable and they just rephrased the donation language and kept it in the FSA, but didn't really address why they thought it really belonged in there... my interpretation is that they feel we're obligated to do it and they will bind us to do it) feels like they don't trust us to make the donation outside the terms of the FSA. I hate to use wording like weaseling, but they're not the best at addressing these concerns, they just make modifications as they see fit. I've worked for a couple law firms (most of my professional life has been working for them) and still occasionally do contract work for other firms, so I am aware of how changes in documents usually take place... this doesn't feel like they're being above board and direct about how they see things should be handled. Cheers, Josh -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Inkscape-board mailing list Inkscape-board@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-board
Re: [Inkscape-board] [REFERENDUM] Donation to SFC
1. Yes 2. c or e, flat amount of $400/yr for 2009-2012, 10% from 2012 onward. I agree that the donation should not be mentioned in the FSA On Sat, 2015-03-14 at 15:03 -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote: [Reposting] A majority vote of the current board members is required for the following proposal relating to retroactive payment to SFC. Proposal: 1. In light of the services provided by the Software Freedom Consortium to date, given on voluntary basis, should we provide a retroactive donation to the SFC? [ ] Yes, donate to SFC in thanks for their past support. [ ] No. We should pay only the required 10% fee going forward from date of signature of the new FSA. 2. Assuming we should donate to the SFC, how much should we donate to SFC? [ ] a. 10% of gross income since we have been a member (9 years). [ ] b. 10% of gross income since initiation of FSA #2 discussions (2012). [ ] c. A flat amount of $400 per year that we have been a member (2009). This amounts to $3600. [ ] d. A flat amount of $400 per year since FSA #2 (2012). This amounts to $1200. [ ] e. Some other amount: _ Background: Tav writes, I agree with Josh and Ted that a donation to the SFC is appropriate for their past work on our behalf. Can we agree on the amount? I would propose $400 for each year we have been a member. We have been a member for 9 years so that would be $3600. This assumes that the 10% kicks in on the date the new FSA is approved. We were asked by Bradley to provide 10% of our revenue to SFC in 2012: (b) As I've discussed with a number of you, including Jon, Josh and Tavmjong, Inkscape has received fiscal sponsorship services from Conservancy at no charge since 2006. Back when Conservancy was founded, I was an SFLC employee and SFLC was subsidizing my time -- effectively donating staff time to Conservancy. This ceased in early 2008, and I served as a volunteer for Conservancy on nights/weekends until 2011, when I became a full-time employee -- which was the only way to keep it going with the services it promises (the other option would have been to shut down Conservancy). Since then, to maintain legal services as part of the service plan once SFLC shrunk further, we hired Tony as well. We get a lot done with a staff of two, but obviously we need financial resources to be able to provide these services. Conservancy's Board of Directors voted about a year ago that all member projects should be required to give 10% of their earmarked revenue to support Conservancy to continue to provide services. This is a standard way for a fiscal sponsor to operate, and we were lucky before that we weren't required to do this, and I'd been waiting to bother Inkscape with this since you are one of our older members. (We haven't taken a new member for anything other than 10% in a few years, BTW). I hope a 10% arrangement as we use with other projects now will be acceptable to you, and I and Tony are happy to discuss further this issue. In December 2012, we voted generally favorable to paying the 10% fee going forward from 2012. There were questions regarding pass-thru of Google SOC payments and so on, but generally favored the basic idea: https://sourceforge.net/p/inkscape/mailman/inkscape-board/?viewmonth=201212 For comparison, Software in the Public Interest (SPI), an organization analogous to the SFC, provides similar services and takes 5% of net (after credit card, etc. fees): http://www.spi-inc.org/projects/associated-project-howto/ -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Inkscape-board mailing list Inkscape-board@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-board -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation
Re: [Inkscape-board] [REFERENDUM] Donation to SFC
On Mon, 2015-03-16 at 23:22 -0700, Josh Andler wrote: On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 9:10 PM, Ted Gould t...@gould.cx wrote: My impression from Karen's e-mail was that she felt for previous to discussing the FSA a donation was reasonable, but for the future they'd prefer the 10%. Correct. That was my impression too. But putting language in the FSA isn't leaving a donation as something that could be considered a reasonable choice for us to make, it's making it a requirement. We're all on board for the mandatory 10%, but weaseling in the language about a required donation (I brought it up as uncomfortable and they just rephrased the donation language and kept it in the FSA, but didn't really address why they thought it really belonged in there... my interpretation is that they feel we're obligated to do it and they will bind us to do it) feels like they don't trust us to make the donation outside the terms of the FSA. I don't have inside knowledge, but my guess would be that it's more about cash flow and accounting more than trusting us to do it. By dealing with it as money comes in they actually end up with a flow rather than impulse based accounting :-) Which can work, but when you have things like salaries and bills it means you have to keep much more reserves. I hate to use wording like weaseling, but they're not the best at addressing these concerns, they just make modifications as they see fit. I've worked for a couple law firms (most of my professional life has been working for them) and still occasionally do contract work for other firms, so I am aware of how changes in documents usually take place... this doesn't feel like they're being above board and direct about how they see things should be handled. It seems that it is hip today to put legal documents in version control, should we suggest that? Ted -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/___ Inkscape-board mailing list Inkscape-board@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-board
