Re: [Inkscape-docs] News item.... graphics issues in manual
Hi Marietta, I now have master permissions on the linked project, and have added you as a developer there. Also assigned you to your first task :) You don't need SSH to just work on the issues section. We will not use the repository for anything but the README file currently. Translations are far in the future, let's start with the task at hand. Try to keep the overhead small (short issue texts, concise descriptions). If you like, you can create an issue for 'We need to figure out how translations of the manual can be created and tracked' (proposed solution: just make a copy of the book on flossmanuals, then translate, organize translators via issue on gitlab, use issue tags to specify language.). Kind Regards, Maren Am 07.06.2017 um 06:41 schrieb Marietta Walker: > For Martin: > > Are we working on the project at Gitlab titled: > Inkscape\Inkscape-docs\manuals or are you creating another project? If > we keep it under one large generic heading such as the above mentioned, > then we can track sub projects under one umbrella, English Translation > for Inkscape Beginners/Dutch Translation for "Whatever/etc. Am I making > any sense? > > Also do I need to add SSH to my account? > > Since I am completely unfamiliar with Gitlab, I am wanting to get in > there and learn and get started. > > Thanks > > > > > On 6/6/2017 10:15 PM, brynn wrote: >>> - We will delete some, and keep those that are good. If you don't want >> to work on this, then we can add this to the task list, for someone else >> to grab. >> >> No, I don't mind doing it. I just need to be clear what the goal is >> and what the parameters are. Although I won't be happy if I rename >> files and find out later that they're going to be replaced. >> >> Here you seem to be asking me to make the screenshots. But in a >> different message, I thought you said that CR had volunteered. Maybe I >> misunderstood somewhere? But I don't have a very pretty theme color. >> >> How about if I make a list of all the ones that need to be replaced, >> and give the list to C R. Then he could make them with the default >> Windows theme, and either upload them himself, or send to me and I'll >> upload? >> >> Not sure about developers spending time reviewing the manual at >> hackfest, when time is at such a premium, with travel expenses and >> all. It seems like after hackfest would be better. Plus do we really >> need reviews from advanced users? New users would seem better for >> sources of reviews? >> >> But I can finish my part before hackfest. If C R has time to make >> them, I'm sure we can finish the whole thing by that time. Or even if >> you want me to try making another user account, to find out if it >> could use a different theme. Then I could make the screenshots. >> >> All best, >> brynn >> >> >> -Original Message- From: Maren Hachmann >> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2017 7:50 PM >> To: brynn ; Inkscape-Docs >> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs]News item graphics issues in manual >> >> Am 07.06.2017 um 03:08 schrieb brynn: >>> If you're saying that Inkscape is supposed to detect what kind of screen >>> is being used, and automatically set itself accordingly, that's >>> something I've never heard of, or experienced. >> >> - According to the program code, if width/height > 1.65, Inkscape will >> switch to 'Wide' mode. You could try it out by removing / renaming your >> preferences file. I suspect you have moved it from your old computer. >> Let's stick to that for screenshots, it makes sense. If it doesn't work, >> it's a bug. >> >>>> It would be helpful if you could continue with renaming the images that >>> do not need to be changed - i.e. the tool icons, or drawings without any >>> text or menus shown. >>> >>> I haven't started yet. I don't want to duplicate or waste work energy. >>> It seems like it would be less work all around, to just give appropriate >>> names to the new screens and graphics, than to rename them all now, and >>> upload whole new images to relace them later. Or am I missing something >>> about the plans and processes? >> >> - We will delete some, and keep those that are good. If you don't want >> to work on this, then we can add this to the task list, for someone else >> to grab. >>>> Can you go through the images, and rename all the files that will >>>> not be >>> deleted, so they will be understandable when others look at them at >>> Hackfest time? >>> >>> Wouldn't I need to wor
Re: [Inkscape-docs] News item.... graphics issues in manual
For Martin: Are we working on the project at Gitlab titled: Inkscape\Inkscape-docs\manuals or are you creating another project? If we keep it under one large generic heading such as the above mentioned, then we can track sub projects under one umbrella, English Translation for Inkscape Beginners/Dutch Translation for "Whatever/etc. Am I making any sense? Also do I need to add SSH to my account? Since I am completely unfamiliar with Gitlab, I am wanting to get in there and learn and get started. Thanks On 6/6/2017 10:15 PM, brynn wrote: - We will delete some, and keep those that are good. If you don't want to work on this, then we can add this to the task list, for someone else to grab. No, I don't mind doing it. I just need to be clear what the goal is and what the parameters are. Although I won't be happy if I rename files and find out later that they're going to be replaced. Here you seem to be asking me to make the screenshots. But in a different message, I thought you said that CR had volunteered. Maybe I misunderstood somewhere? But I don't have a very pretty theme color. How about if I make a list of all the ones that need to be replaced, and give the list to C R. Then he could make them with the default Windows theme, and either upload them himself, or send to me and I'll upload? Not sure about developers spending time reviewing the manual at hackfest, when time is at such a premium, with travel expenses and all. It seems like after hackfest would be better. Plus do we really need reviews from advanced users? New users would seem better for sources of reviews? But I can finish my part before hackfest. If C R has time to make them, I'm sure we can finish the whole thing by that time. Or even if you want me to try making another user account, to find out if it could use a different theme. Then I could make the screenshots. All best, brynn -Original Message- From: Maren Hachmann Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2017 7:50 PM To: brynn ; Inkscape-Docs Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs]News item graphics issues in manual Am 07.06.2017 um 03:08 schrieb brynn: If you're saying that Inkscape is supposed to detect what kind of screen is being used, and automatically set itself accordingly, that's something I've never heard of, or experienced. - According to the program code, if width/height > 1.65, Inkscape will switch to 'Wide' mode. You could try it out by removing / renaming your preferences file. I suspect you have moved it from your old computer. Let's stick to that for screenshots, it makes sense. If it doesn't work, it's a bug. It would be helpful if you could continue with renaming the images that do not need to be changed - i.e. the tool icons, or drawings without any text or menus shown. I haven't started yet. I don't want to duplicate or waste work energy. It seems like it would be less work all around, to just give appropriate names to the new screens and graphics, than to rename them all now, and upload whole new images to relace them later. Or am I missing something about the plans and processes? - We will delete some, and keep those that are good. If you don't want to work on this, then we can add this to the task list, for someone else to grab. Can you go through the images, and rename all the files that will not be deleted, so they will be understandable when others look at them at Hackfest time? Wouldn't I need to work with C R (or whoever), to determine which are kept and which are replaced? It seems like some level of coordination and communication should happen for this, rather than 2 different people going at it separately in different ways, possibly making incompatible decisions? - CR is there for talking, but I trust that you can figure out if an image is just a tool icon, or contains a drawing without text, and does not need to be re-created. You might even use gimp to cut off some French text. This would speed up manual creation quite a bit. Improvements can be done later. By the way, why does it need to be ready for hackfest? I was thinking the end of the year for a target publishing date, not 3 weeks! - Ready as in 'translated' and ready to work on and test out for people speaking English. Kind Regards, Maren -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.n
Re: [Inkscape-docs] News item.... graphics issues in manual
Hi Brynn, Am 06.06.2017 um 13:50 schrieb brynn: >> I'm a bit disappointed about everyone being so engaged and vocal about > helping/liking the action, and now me working on it alone for > 2 weeks > already. > But that's normal, I guess - it was the reason why I haven't started > this earlier, and I felt ready to take it on now, no matter what. > > Don't worry, Maren. I'm still on top of helping with the manual. It's > just life offline keeps pulling me away from computer lately. - Mine is busy, too. > I will start proofing as soon as I can get this moderation stuff settled. - Yes, if you could help with fixing language errors, that would be helpful. > For working on the graphics, as you have outlined, I have some blockers > on that. Somewhere I've mentioned them, but I don't think they were > answered. (I think I put comments in the Notes tab, below the line of > *. But I see now that that line of * is gone, and so are the comments I > made.) - Yes, that tab has been wiped. > Starting on Interface chapter: > > 1 -- graphics are not proportional, they're stretched long and squeezed > side to side > 2 -- the interface that's being used, uses a non-default display mode > (with command bar on the right) - Yes, this is described in the book. It's the standard display mode new users get when they are using a wide screen (please someone correct me if I'm wrong, my screen is 4:3). Widescreens are standard now, so most users should get that display. > 3 -- the interface is using some custom icon set - It uses the standard icons. All the icons that look different to you are provided by the operating system and look different from your Windows setup, yes (they look the same for me, btw.). > Before we start working on the graphics issues, these things need to be > addressed, in my opinion (otherwise we might have to eventually > duplicate some work). - You can leave the picture layouting to someone experienced with web page styling. This also requires coordination with the style person or persons, and some understanding of how the different output formats influence the layout. It would be helpful if you could continue with renaming the images that do not need to be changed - i.e. the tool icons, or drawings without any text or menus shown. And then, as a native speaker, language fixes would help us, and perhaps compiling that list of frequent issues for the chapter that we would like to add. Also, I seem to remember there was a glossary chapter that needed to be added. > I think we need to be using the most default interface screenshots as > possible. And of course, the graphics should be displayed in proper > proportions. > > The most important thing to decide, is where the new graphics will come > from. Should be someone with not such an ugly theme (color) as mine. > Should be someone who is committed to providing the graphics and won't > disappear. Should be using a default display mode and icon set. - CR volunteered for this in another email :D > I wonder if it's possible in Windows, if I make a new user account, that > account could use a different theme? I'll investigate. If I can, I'll > provide the graphics. - Let's take one step after the other, Brynn. It's better to finish one thing, then take on the next. This is also easier for me, because I don't need to be all over the place when I know that a task is being tackled and finished. Can you go through the images, and rename all the files that will not be deleted, so they will be understandable when others look at them at Hackfest time? Can you get back to us when you are done with that, so we can then find a new task? (Probably one of: proofreading for language errors, compiling list of frequent basic issues and helpful tricks). Kind Regards, Maren > I'm changing the title of this message to start a separate thread on the > graphics issues. (I see a long string of replies to making a News item, > and I suspect there may be a few different issues. I'm off to read more > now :-) (Also switching to only Docs list) > > All best, > brynn > > -Original Message- From: Maren Hachmann > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2017 6:46 AM > To: inkscape-de...@lists.sourceforge.net ; Inkscape-Docs > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] News item about the new > manual work? > > CR, I have been translating (and fixing contents as I go) 1-2 chapters > each day for the last 2.5 weeks and am more than halfway through (35 > chapters done, 24 left to do). There wasn't anyone else to be seen > around, after the first week, when one person translated a chapter > (unfortunately they picked the only one that needs to be rewritten from > scratch, because Inkscape changed), and two people proofread a couple of > chapters (thank you!!!). Well, and a couple of days ago, someone seems > to have accidentally wiped all the notes on the book, that were supposed > to help get people started (or maybe it was a platform bug). > > I'd be glad
Re: [Inkscape-docs] News item.... graphics issues in manual
I'm a bit disappointed about everyone being so engaged and vocal about helping/liking the action, and now me working on it alone for > 2 weeks already. But that's normal, I guess - it was the reason why I haven't started this earlier, and I felt ready to take it on now, no matter what. Don't worry, Maren. I'm still on top of helping with the manual. It's just life offline keeps pulling me away from computer lately. I will start proofing as soon as I can get this moderation stuff settled. For working on the graphics, as you have outlined, I have some blockers on that. Somewhere I've mentioned them, but I don't think they were answered. (I think I put comments in the Notes tab, below the line of *. But I see now that that line of * is gone, and so are the comments I made.) Starting on Interface chapter: 1 -- graphics are not proportional, they're stretched long and squeezed side to side 2 -- the interface that's being used, uses a non-default display mode (with command bar on the right) 3 -- the interface is using some custom icon set Before we start working on the graphics issues, these things need to be addressed, in my opinion (otherwise we might have to eventually duplicate some work). I think we need to be using the most default interface screenshots as possible. And of course, the graphics should be displayed in proper proportions. The most important thing to decide, is where the new graphics will come from. Should be someone with not such an ugly theme (color) as mine. Should be someone who is committed to providing the graphics and won't disappear. Should be using a default display mode and icon set. I wonder if it's possible in Windows, if I make a new user account, that account could use a different theme? I'll investigate. If I can, I'll provide the graphics. I'm changing the title of this message to start a separate thread on the graphics issues. (I see a long string of replies to making a News item, and I suspect there may be a few different issues. I'm off to read more now :-) (Also switching to only Docs list) All best, brynn -Original Message- From: Maren Hachmann Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2017 6:46 AM To: inkscape-de...@lists.sourceforge.net ; Inkscape-Docs Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] News item about the new manual work? CR, I have been translating (and fixing contents as I go) 1-2 chapters each day for the last 2.5 weeks and am more than halfway through (35 chapters done, 24 left to do). There wasn't anyone else to be seen around, after the first week, when one person translated a chapter (unfortunately they picked the only one that needs to be rewritten from scratch, because Inkscape changed), and two people proofread a couple of chapters (thank you!!!). Well, and a couple of days ago, someone seems to have accidentally wiped all the notes on the book, that were supposed to help get people started (or maybe it was a platform bug). I'd be glad to see some proofreading and styling/screenshooting people get on board, so we can continue seamlessly after I'm through with translating. I'm a bit disappointed about everyone being so engaged and vocal about helping/liking the action, and now me working on it alone for > 2 weeks already. But that's normal, I guess - it was the reason why I haven't started this earlier, and I felt ready to take it on now, no matter what. Anyway, I'm going to continue to plow through, then translations will be ready before the hackfest. In parallel, I'm going to be plowing through my new garden, and to help fix up someone else's house, so I expect to not have time for much else. I'd be glad if someone could try and reengage people to help with the manual (preferably people who are able to work independently and know Inkscape inside out, or who concentrate on something they really do well, like fixing up language or styling). There are more than enough open tasks: from CSS to cover design, to screenshooting, to consistency checking and layouting, to improving on my more or less weird English, to adding missing content (or perhaps, translating, of course). And yet, when we do this, I think it's important to take care to honor the underlying 'Keep it simple and as short as possible' concept of the book, which would make it possible for young teenagers to use it to get started, without much theoretical ballast. Elisa seems to have invested a *lot* of thought into how she built up the chapters and when to start teaching which concept. I suspect her concept stems from experience in teaching live Inkscape courses. Maren Am 04.06.2017 um 13:32 schrieb C R: I'd say let's wait and do a progress report, so we can say that we're making progress on it, rather than just that we've decided to do it. I plan on helping this area of the project much more after I handle the hackfest swag. It would be better to have a more or less complete manual before we announce it to the public, unless it's a call
