[Int-area] New version of shared addressing I-D (RE: WGLC for draft-ietf-intarea-shared-addressing-issues-01)

2010-10-15 Thread mohamed.boucadair
Dear chairs, WG members,

   The LC for this I-D ended yesterday.  A new version has been edited
   taking into account the comments received so far; in particular:

   1.  Comments from Brian: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/
   int-area/current/msg02356.html.  A note on session failure due to
   NAT overflow has been added.  The proposed wording for the
   security section has been also accepted.

   2.  Comments from Wes: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/int-area/
   current/msg02357.html.  To handle the comments from Wes, a new
   section (MTU) has been introduced.  Wes has kindly provided text
   for this section.  Thanks!

   3.  Offline comments received from Dan Wing.  Dan made some
   suggestions to enhance the readability of the Traceability
   Section.  Most of Dan's proposal have been accepted.

   Many thanks for the reviewers and for their effort to enhance this
   document.

   The new version is available at: 
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-intarea-shared-addressing-issues/

   A diff file can be found at: 
http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-intarea-shared-addressing-issues-02

   Both xml and txt files have been uploaded.

   Chairs, what is the next step?

   Cheers,
   Med


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Laganier, Julien
Envoyé : jeudi 30 septembre 2010 21:24
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Cc : draft-ietf-intarea-shared-addressing-iss...@tools.ietf.org; Christian Vogt
Objet : [Int-area] WGLC for draft-ietf-intarea-shared-addressing-issues-01

Folks,

This note initiates a two weeks WG Last Call for 
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-intarea-shared-addressing-issues-01

Please review the draft and send your comments to the mailing list before 
2010-10-14 COB PST. Please also state whether or not you think the draft is 
ready to be forwarded to IESG for publication as an Informational RFC.

Thank you for your support.

--julien  christian
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Re: [Int-area] introducing a new IPv4 option [was RE: [BEHAVE] Revealing identity of TCP client connection when sharing IPv4 address]

2010-10-15 Thread Fernando Gont
On 05/10/2010 08:04 p.m., Joel Jaeggli wrote:

 It is much worse.  At the IP and Transport level functionality, the
 IPv4 Internet is essentially frozen somewhere in the 1990's.  Sad...
 
 Now is not the point to invest time fixing the ipv4 internet.

Unless you expect that it will be *replaced* in 5 years or so with
something else, I'd argue Why not?. There are estimates of 15-20 more
years of living with IPv4, so

Thanks,
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Re: [Int-area] introducing a new IPv4 option [was RE: [BEHAVE] Revealing identity of TCP client connection when sharing IPv4 address]

2010-10-15 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 10/15/10 10:33 AM, Fernando Gont wrote:
 On 05/10/2010 08:04 p.m., Joel Jaeggli wrote:
 
 It is much worse.  At the IP and Transport level functionality, the
 IPv4 Internet is essentially frozen somewhere in the 1990's.  Sad...

 Now is not the point to invest time fixing the ipv4 internet.
 
 Unless you expect that it will be *replaced* in 5 years or so with
 something else, I'd argue Why not?. 

because the software and stack have already osified. existing systems
are not going to pick up changes that you implement particularly in the
waist of the hourglass. That's just reality.

 There are estimates of 15-20 more
 years of living with IPv4, so

you're going to have 20 years of supporting the assumptions currently
present in legacy systems.

 Thanks,

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Re: [Int-area] introducing a new IPv4 option [was RE: [BEHAVE] Revealing identity of TCP client connection when sharing IPv4 address]

2010-10-15 Thread Noel Chiappa
 From: Joel Jaeggli joe...@bogus.com

 because the software and stack have already osified. 

The implication being that that's not true for IPv6? That will please the
ILNP people to hear, I'm sure, what with ILNP being the official RRG
recommendation for multi-homing support (now that MULTI6 has been turned down
by the users) - since ILNP requires changes to the host stacks (in the IPv6
and TCPv6 code). So how well you do think that change will be accepted by
the v6 host community?

Noel
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Re: [Int-area] introducing a new IPv4 option [was RE: [BEHAVE] Revealing identity of TCP client connection when sharing IPv4 address]

2010-10-15 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 10/15/10 11:44 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
  From: Joel Jaeggli joe...@bogus.com
 
  because the software and stack have already osified. 
 
 The implication being that that's not true for IPv6?

However painful it may be, altering the stacks of devices not yet built
is easier than that of those already in the field.

 That will please the
 ILNP people to hear, I'm sure, what with ILNP being the official RRG
 recommendation for multi-homing support (now that MULTI6 has been turned down
 by the users) - since ILNP requires changes to the host stacks (in the IPv6
 and TCPv6 code). So how well you do think that change will be accepted by
 the v6 host community?

I believe the word you're looking for is recalcitrant.

   Noel
 

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