Re: [Int-area] Working group last call for draft-ietf-intarea-flow-label-balancing-01

2013-07-11 Thread Linda Dunbar
Support.

Linda


From: int-area-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:int-area-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of 
Qiong
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 1:20 PM
To: Suresh Krishnan
Cc: Internet Area
Subject: Re: [Int-area] Working group last call for 
draft-ietf-intarea-flow-label-balancing-01

Dear all,

I think it is ready to move forward.

Thanks

Best wishes
Qiong

On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 6:49 AM, Suresh Krishnan 
suresh.krish...@ericsson.commailto:suresh.krish...@ericsson.com wrote:
Hi all,
  This message starts a two week intarea working group last call on this
draft describing the use of IPv6 Flow Label for Server Load Balancing as
an Informational RFC. The draft is available at

http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-intarea-flow-label-balancing-01.txt
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-intarea-flow-label-balancing-01

Substantive comments and statements of support/opposition for advancing
this document should be directed to the mailing list. Editorial
suggestions can be sent directly to the authors. This last call will
conclude on July 24, 2013.

Regards,
Suresh  Julien

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[Int-area] INT ADs' office hours

2013-07-11 Thread Brian Haberman

All,
 As in the previous few meetings, the INT ADs will be holding 
office hours in Berlin.  We will be available on Monday from 1300 to 
1500 in the yet-to-be-identified IESG breakout room.  Feel free to stop 
by and ask questions or chat about any concerns/ideas you have about an 
INT WG or the area as a whole.


Regards,
Brian  Ted
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[Int-area] FW: New Version Notification for draft-nachum-sarp-05.txt

2013-07-11 Thread Linda Dunbar
draft-nachum-sarp has been presented at InterArea WG 3 times. As the motivation 
for the scheme wasn't clearly stated, many people in the WG have been debating 
on the necessity of the scheme during the meeting and over the mailing list. 

We updated the draft to address the issues that WG have brought up: 
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-nachum-sarp-05.txt


The proposed scheme is more like proxy gateway to address the following issues 
facing Data Centers with large number virtual machines that don't have fixed 
association with access switches:

1)  intermediate switches’ MAC address table (FDB) explosion:
When hosts in a VLAN (or subnet) span across many locations (or Access 
Switches) and each Access Switch has many VLANs enabled, the Access switches 
are exposed to all MAC addresses among all the VLANs enabled. 
For example, for an Access switch with 40 physical servers attached, and each 
server has 100 VMs, there are 4000 hosts under the Access Switch. If it is 
truly that hosts/VMs can be moved anywhere, the worst case for the Access 
Switch is when all those 4000 VMs belong to different VLANs, i.e. the access 
switch has 4000 VLANs enabled. If each of VLANs has 200 hosts, this access 
switch’s MAC table potentially has 200*4000 = 800,000 entries. 
Although above case is rare, but could happen regardless IPv4 or IPv6. 
This is worse than what today’s L2/3 Gateway has to face. In today’s 
environment where each subnet is limited to a few access switches, only the 
limited ports facing those access switches are exposed to MAC address of the 
subnet. 

2)  the ARP/ND processing load impact on the L2/L3 boundary routers; 
All VMs periodically send NDs to their corresponding Gateway nodes to get 
gateway nodes’ MAC addresses. When the combined VMs across all the VLANs are 
large, processing the responses to the ND requests from those VMs can easily 
knock down the gateway’s CPU utilization. 
A L2/L3 boundary router could be hit with ARP/ND twice when the originating and 
destination stations are in different subnets attached to the same router and 
when those hosts don’t communicate with external peers very often. The first 
hit is when the originating station in subnet-A initiates ARP/ND request to the 
L2/L3 boundary router if the router’s MAC is not in the host’s cache; and the 
second hit is when the L2/L3 boundary router initiates ARP/ND requests to the 
target in subnet-B if the target is not in router’s ARP/ND cache.

3)  In IPv4, every end station in a subnet receives ARP broadcast messages 
from all other end stations in the subnet. IPv6 ND has eliminated this issue by 
using multicast.  
However, most devices have limited number of Multicast filtering. Once the 
number of multicast addresses goes beyond the multicast filter limit, the 
multicast addresses have to be processed by devices’ CPU (i.e. the slow path). 
It is less of an issue in DC without VM mobility because each port is only 
dedicated to one (or a few number of) VLANs. So the number of multicast 
addresses hitting each port is much less. 

4)  the ARP/ND messages being flooded to many physical link segments which 
can reduce bandwidth utilization for user traffic; 

ARP/ND flooding is probably an insignificant issue in today’s data center 
because the majority of data center servers are moving towards 1G or 10G ports. 
The bandwidth taken by ARP/ND, even with them flooded to all physical links, 
becomes negligible comparing with the link bandwidth. In addition, the IGMP/MLD 
snooping [RFC4541] can further reduce the ND multicast traffic to some physical 
link segments.


Hope those points are more clear. 

Linda 


-Original Message-
From: internet-dra...@ietf.org [mailto:internet-dra...@ietf.org] 
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 3:13 PM
To: Linda Dunbar; Youval Nachum; Ilan Yerushalmi; Tal Mizrahi
Subject: New Version Notification for draft-nachum-sarp-05.txt


A new version of I-D, draft-nachum-sarp-05.txt
has been successfully submitted by Youval Nachum and posted to the
IETF repository.

Filename:draft-nachum-sarp
Revision:05
Title:   Scaling the Address Resolution Protocol for Large Data Centers 
(SARP)
Creation date:   2013-07-11
Group:   Individual Submission
Number of pages: 20
URL: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-nachum-sarp-05.txt
Status:  http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-nachum-sarp
Htmlized:http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-nachum-sarp-05
Diff:http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-nachum-sarp-05

Abstract:
   This document introduces SARP, an architecture that uses proxy
   gateways and allows to scale data center networks. SARP is based on
   fast proxies that significantly reduce switches' FDB (MAC table)
   sizes and ARP/ND impact on network elements in an environment that
   hosts within one subnet (or VLAN) can spread over various locations.
   SARP supports smooth and fast virtual machine (VM) 

Re: [Int-area] FW: New Version Notification for draft-nachum-sarp-05.txt

2013-07-11 Thread Ted Lemon
How does this relate to the work being done in the trill and nvo3 working 
groups?

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