Re: [Interest] QCoreApplication, argc parameter type

2021-01-07 Thread Sze Howe Koh 
On Fri, 8 Jan 2021 at 07:39, Bernhard Lindner
 wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> Can someone tell me why QCoreApplication uses an 'int ' type parameter 
> instead of a
> plain 'int argc'? Does QCoreApplication expect the value to change? Does it 
> change the
> value by itself?
>
> When deriving from QCoreApplication this can cause funny crashes if one 
> forgets to use a
> reference type in the derived class' constructor parameter. So I guess there 
> must be a
> very good reason why QCoreApplication uses a reference instead of 
> copy-by-value.

According to the documentation
(https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qapplication.html#QApplication and
https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qcoreapplication.html#QCoreApplication ):

* Note: argc and argv might be changed as Qt removes command line
arguments that it recognizes.
* Warning: The data referred to by argc and argv must stay valid for
the entire lifetime of the QCoreApplication object.


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[Interest] [SPAM] Re: Qt 5.15 pull out of open source?!

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It's obviously a bad decision made by people who don't understand what
they're dealing with. It reminds me of this presentation from one of the
ownCloud/nextCloud founders explaining how venture capitalists destroyed
ownCloud, particularly around 8 minutes 30 seconds:

https://media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/m/why-i-forked-my-own-project-and-my-own-company-31c3/

The Qt Company has set up a conflict between the community interest and
the company's interest and created an unstable situation. Hopefully the
Qt company doesn't make any more hostile changes like this or it may
very well go the way of ownCloud. It is clear at this point that talking
to them is pointless. That has been done already. The people making the
decisions have demonstrated that they do not care. The only thing that
might change their mind is making this silly decision irrelevant by
maintaining a community LTS fork.

On 1/7/21 12:41 PM, Ilya Diallo wrote:

Le jeu. 7 janv. 2021 à 18:30, Benjamin TERRIER mailto:b.terr...@gmail.com>> a écrit :


So basically for open source users the support of Qt 5.15 has
stopped 9 months before a usable version should be available.


Totally agree, but that point has already been made in the dev mailing
list.
So we can assume that Tuuka is fully aware of that problem. In that
context his "it's business as usual" response could be translated to
"la-la-la can't hear you".

Dropping the LTS for open source users would not have been an
issue this big if you had done it for any other version.
But doing it for 5.15, the last Qt 5 version is the worst timing.
If anything Qt 5.15 should have had an extended support time


It's the worst timing unless the purpose is to push (drag ?) users to
the commercial license - in that case the timing is perfect.
It's a business decision, time will tell if it's a good one or not.

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[Interest] QCoreApplication, argc parameter type

2021-01-07 Thread Bernhard Lindner 
Hi!

Can someone tell me why QCoreApplication uses an 'int ' type parameter 
instead of a
plain 'int argc'? Does QCoreApplication expect the value to change? Does it 
change the
value by itself?

When deriving from QCoreApplication this can cause funny crashes if one forgets 
to use a
reference type in the derived class' constructor parameter. So I guess there 
must be a
very good reason why QCoreApplication uses a reference instead of copy-by-value.

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Re: [Interest] Qt 5.15 pull out of open source?!

2021-01-07 Thread Robert Heller 
At Thu, 7 Jan 2021 12:01:58 -0800 Yuvraaj Kelkar  wrote:

> 
> I hope what Robert meant was that if you want someone to fix bugs for you on 
> an old LTS, then you have to pay for the support.
> Because that would make a LOT of sense.

Yes.  I expect that the license QT is under is NOT the GNU license, but some 
other license.

> 
> Thanks,
> -Uv
> 
> On Jan 7 2021, at 11:12 am, Thorsten Glaser  wrote:
> > On Thu, 7 Jan 2021, Robert Heller wrote:
> >
> > > No, 5.15 is still open source. It is just that if you want to keep using 
> > > that
> > > version *AND* want updates, you will have to pay *for the updates*,
> >
> > How would that work?
> > Either the updates are also Open Source, in which cases nobody could
> > prevent the first person to pay for it from redistributing them (and
> > many use cases would even REQUIRE them to do that), or the updates
> > are not Open Source and therefore not updates, ya know…
> >
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Re: [Interest] Qt 5.15 pull out of open source?!

2021-01-07 Thread Yuvraaj Kelkar 
I hope what Robert meant was that if you want someone to fix bugs for you on an 
old LTS, then you have to pay for the support.
Because that would make a LOT of sense.

Thanks,
-Uv

On Jan 7 2021, at 11:12 am, Thorsten Glaser  wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Jan 2021, Robert Heller wrote:
>
> > No, 5.15 is still open source. It is just that if you want to keep using 
> > that
> > version *AND* want updates, you will have to pay *for the updates*,
>
> How would that work?
> Either the updates are also Open Source, in which cases nobody could
> prevent the first person to pay for it from redistributing them (and
> many use cases would even REQUIRE them to do that), or the updates
> are not Open Source and therefore not updates, ya know…
>
> bye,
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Re: [Interest] Qt 5.15 pull out of open source?!

2021-01-07 Thread Thorsten Glaser 
On Thu, 7 Jan 2021, Robert Heller wrote:

> No, 5.15 is still open source.  It is just that if you want to keep using that
> version *AND* want updates, you will have to pay *for the updates*,

How would that work?

Either the updates are also Open Source, in which cases nobody could
prevent the first person to pay for it from redistributing them (and
many use cases would even REQUIRE them to do that), or the updates
are not Open Source and therefore not updates, ya know…

bye,
//mirabilos
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Re: [Interest] Qt 5.15 pull out of open source?!

2021-01-07 Thread Robert Heller 
At Thu, 7 Jan 2021 15:25:53 + Jérôme Godbout  
wrote:

> 
> From what I understand, opens source are only latest version, so > 5.15.2 
> will be only for commercial since 6.0 is out. So they only support open 
> source for the latest release. But the trouble here is that 6.0 is not fully 
> completed yet, which make it kind of trouble some.

No, 5.15 is still open source.  It is just that if you want to keep using that 
version *AND* want updates, you will have to pay *for the updates*, as the 
only *free* support will be for the 6.x versions.  If you can live with the 
current 5.x release (5.15.2?) *as is*, you can still use it, just that there 
won't be any bugfix or security updates, for free.

> 
> So for what I understand. 6.2.x where is x will be open source until 6.3.0 is 
> out, after that no more.
> 
> That would make sense in case 6.0 a complete replacement of 5.0, which is not 
> yet.
> 
> From: Interest  On Behalf Of Michael Jackson
> Sent: January 7, 2021 10:01 AM
> To: Tuukka Turunen ; interest@qt-project.org
> Subject: Re: [Interest] Qt 5.15 pull out of open source?!
> 
> Dear Tuukka,
> As an open source developer who has used Qt since 2009, I am still a bit 
> confused as to what versions of Qt6 that my open-source project should be 
> using over time? For example, we might be lucky enough to port to the 6.0 
> release, and then to 6.1. If 6.2 is LTS and commercial only, what is the next 
> Qt 6 version that an open-source project would jump to? Would that be 6.3? Is 
> TQtC going to do something like the “odd (6.1, 6.3…)” releases 
> are opensource but the “even (62, 6.4…)” releases are 
> commercial only? Is there a longer term roadmap available that explains TQtC 
> vision on how this will work?
> 
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> 
> From: Interest 
> mailto:interest-boun...@qt-project.org>> on 
> behalf of Tuukka Turunen mailto:tuukka.turu...@qt.io>>
> Date: Thursday, January 7, 2021 at 4:38 AM
> To: Giuseppe D'Angelo 
> mailto:giuseppe.dang...@kdab.com>>, 
> "interest@qt-project.org" 
> mailto:interest@qt-project.org>>
> Subject: Re: [Interest] Qt 5.15 pull out of open source?!
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Apologies for not sending the mail also to the interest mailing list. This is 
> nothing new, as this was announced in already February 2020. Otherwise Qt 
> continues to be available for open-source users, but the long-term support 
> releases of Qt will be available only for the commercial license holders. 
> First commercial-only patch release being Qt 5.15.3 planned to be released in 
> February 2021.
> 
> Qt 5.15.2 continues to be available for all users, so situation is similar as 
> with Qt 5.13 and Qt 5.14, for example (no new patch releases). Qt 6.0.0 and 
> subsequent patch releases, as well as upcoming Qt 6.1 and Qt 6.2 etc releases 
> are also available for open-source users. Eventually we will enter 
> long-term-support phase with Qt 6.2 LTS at which point again these are only 
> for commercial license holders, but all releases done until that point 
> continue to be available for all users.
> 
> Yours,
> 
> Tuukka
> 
> 
> 
> From: Interest 
> mailto:interest-boun...@qt-project.org>>
> Date: Thursday, 7. January 2021 at 10.45
> To: interest@qt-project.org 
> mailto:interest@qt-project.org>>
> Subject: Re: [Interest] Qt 5.15 pull out of open source?!
> Hi,
> 
> Il 07/01/21 04:03, Jérôme Godbout ha scritto:
> > Hi,
> > is this any true?
> > https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item=Qt-5.15-LTS-Commercial-Phase
> 
> Please see the thread on development@ (no idea why the original message
> was not posted on interest@ as well.).
> 
> > https://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/development/2021-January/040798.html
> 
> 
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Re: [Interest] Qt 5.15 pull out of open source?!

2021-01-07 Thread Ilya Diallo 
Le jeu. 7 janv. 2021 à 18:30, Benjamin TERRIER  a
écrit :

>
> So basically for open source users the support of Qt 5.15 has stopped 9
> months before a usable version should be available.
>

Totally agree, but that point has already been made in the dev mailing list.
So we can assume that Tuuka is fully aware of that problem. In that context
his "it's business as usual" response could be translated to "la-la-la
can't hear you".


> Dropping the LTS for open source users would not have been an issue this
> big if you had done it for any other version.
> But doing it for 5.15, the last Qt 5 version is the worst timing. If
> anything Qt 5.15 should have had an extended support time
>

It's the worst timing unless the purpose is to push (drag ?) users to the
commercial license - in that case the timing is perfect.
It's a business decision, time will tell if it's a good one or not.

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Re: [Interest] Qt 5.15 pull out of open source?!

2021-01-07 Thread Benjamin TERRIER 
On Thu, 7 Jan 2021 at 16:38, Tuukka Turunen  wrote:

>
>
> In essence the situation for open-source users is just like it was for
> everyone before introducing the long-term supported releases (with Qt 5.6).
>
>
No, it is not.

The issue of open source users is not that LTS are commercial only (well it
is an issue, but that's not what most people are complaining about right
now).
The issue here is that the next version is not a minor release, but a major
release. And the fact that a lot of modules are missing does not help.

In this regard, Qt 5.15 should not be compared to 5.13 or 5.14, but rather
to 4.8.

Qt 5.0.0 was released in December 2012, just after 4.8.4 was released.
Then we had 3 more patch releases of Qt 4 until 4.8.7 was released in May
2015.
So people had more than 2.5 years to switch between Qt 4 and Qt 5, and by
the time 4.8.7 was released Qt 5 was approaching version 5.5
meaning that people could be somewhat confident that Qt 5 had matured
enough so that making the switch would not yield too many bad surprises.

Now Qt 6.0 has been officially released. But truth be told, Qt 6 is not
finished: 20 modules are missing and 15 of them are scheduled for 6.2.
So basically for open source users the support of Qt 5.15 has stopped 9
months before a usable version should be available.

Dropping the LTS for open source users would not have been an issue this
big if you had done it for any other version.
But doing it for 5.15, the last Qt 5 version is the worst timing. If
anything Qt 5.15 should have had an extended support time
to help bridge the gap to Qt 6, regardless of it being an LTS or not, just
like it was done for Qt 4.8.

Regards,

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Re: [Interest] Qt 5.15 pull out of open source?!

2021-01-07 Thread Jérôme Godbout 
I was pretty clear to me at least, I just think that rules should not carry 
between major version (from 5 to 6) but only between minor version. As it make 
not much sense, feature are not fully portable, yeah people should update one 
day, but it's not as simple as upgrading from a minor version.


From: Interest  On Behalf Of Tuukka Turunen
Sent: January 7, 2021 12:04 PM
To: Michael Jackson ; interest@qt-project.org
Subject: Re: [Interest] Qt 5.15 pull out of open source?!

Looking at how my text art came through the mailing list service, there is too 
much overlap. I tried to "draw" this so that next one begins around the time 
previous ends, but did not fully succeed. I hope the main point was still 
successfully conveyed.

Yours,

Tuukka

From: Interest 
mailto:interest-boun...@qt-project.org>>
Date: Thursday, 7. January 2021 at 17.42
To: Michael Jackson 
mailto:mike.jack...@bluequartz.net>>, 
interest@qt-project.org 
mailto:interest@qt-project.org>>
Subject: Re: [Interest] Qt 5.15 pull out of open source?!

Hi Michael,

All Qt feature releases are available for all users of Qt. It is just the 
extended period of long-term support that is available for commercial license 
holders only.

One way to visualize period of available patch releases for open-source users 
is as follows:

Qt 5.13 *
Qt 5.14 ***
Qt 5.15   **
Qt 6.0 
Qt 6.1   **
Qt 6.2  *
Qt 6.3  
**


Same thing for commercial users is as follows:

Qt 5.13 *
Qt 5.14 ***
Qt 5.15 LTS   
*
Qt 6.0 
Qt 6.1  **
Qt 6.2 LTS  
*
Qt 6.3  
**

Note that this is an indicative visualization of the period when patch releases 
are created for each Qt version, not accurate timeline representation of patch 
release dates.

In essence the situation for open-source users is just like it was for everyone 
before introducing the long-term supported releases (with Qt 5.6).

Yours,

Tuukka

From: Michael Jackson 
mailto:mike.jack...@bluequartz.net>>
Date: Thursday, 7. January 2021 at 17.01
To: Tuukka Turunen mailto:tuukka.turu...@qt.io>>, 
interest@qt-project.org 
mailto:interest@qt-project.org>>
Subject: Re: [Interest] Qt 5.15 pull out of open source?!
Dear Tuukka,
As an open source developer who has used Qt since 2009, I am still a bit 
confused as to what versions of Qt6 that my open-source project should be using 
over time? For example, we might be lucky enough to port to the 6.0 release, 
and then to 6.1. If 6.2 is LTS and commercial only, what is the next Qt 6 
version that an open-source project would jump to? Would that be 6.3? Is TQtC 
going to do something like the "odd (6.1, 6.3...)" releases are opensource but 
the "even (62, 6.4...)" releases are commercial only? Is there a longer term 
roadmap available that explains TQtC vision on how this will work?

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From: Interest 
mailto:interest-boun...@qt-project.org>> on 
behalf of Tuukka Turunen mailto:tuukka.turu...@qt.io>>
Date: Thursday, January 7, 2021 at 4:38 AM
To: Giuseppe D'Angelo 
mailto:giuseppe.dang...@kdab.com>>, 
"interest@qt-project.org" 
mailto:interest@qt-project.org>>
Subject: Re: [Interest] Qt 5.15 pull out of open source?!

Hi,

Apologies for not sending the mail also to the interest mailing list. This is 
nothing new, as this was announced in already February 2020. Otherwise Qt 
continues to be available for open-source users, but the long-term support 
releases of Qt will be available only for the commercial license holders. First 
commercial-only patch release being Qt 5.15.3 planned to be released in 
February 2021.

Qt 5.15.2 continues to be available for all users, so situation is similar as 
with Qt 5.13 and Qt 5.14, for example (no new patch releases). Qt 6.0.0 and 
subsequent patch releases, as well as upcoming Qt 6.1 and Qt 6.2 etc releases 
are also available for open-source users. Eventually we will enter 
long-term-support phase with Qt 6.2 LTS at which point again these are only for 
commercial license holders, but all releases done until that point continue to 
be available for all users.

Yours,

Re: [Interest] Qt 5.15 pull out of open source?!

2021-01-07 Thread Tuukka Turunen 
Looking at how my text art came through the mailing list service, there is too 
much overlap. I tried to “draw” this so that next one begins around the time 
previous ends, but did not fully succeed. I hope the main point was still 
successfully conveyed.

Yours,

Tuukka

From: Interest 
Date: Thursday, 7. January 2021 at 17.42
To: Michael Jackson , interest@qt-project.org 

Subject: Re: [Interest] Qt 5.15 pull out of open source?!

Hi Michael,

All Qt feature releases are available for all users of Qt. It is just the 
extended period of long-term support that is available for commercial license 
holders only.

One way to visualize period of available patch releases for open-source users 
is as follows:

Qt 5.13 *
Qt 5.14 ***
Qt 5.15   **
Qt 6.0 
Qt 6.1   **
Qt 6.2  *
Qt 6.3  
**


Same thing for commercial users is as follows:

Qt 5.13 *
Qt 5.14 ***
Qt 5.15 LTS   
*
Qt 6.0 
Qt 6.1  **
Qt 6.2 LTS  
*
Qt 6.3  
**

Note that this is an indicative visualization of the period when patch releases 
are created for each Qt version, not accurate timeline representation of patch 
release dates.

In essence the situation for open-source users is just like it was for everyone 
before introducing the long-term supported releases (with Qt 5.6).

Yours,

Tuukka

From: Michael Jackson 
Date: Thursday, 7. January 2021 at 17.01
To: Tuukka Turunen , interest@qt-project.org 

Subject: Re: [Interest] Qt 5.15 pull out of open source?!
Dear Tuukka,
As an open source developer who has used Qt since 2009, I am still a bit 
confused as to what versions of Qt6 that my open-source project should be using 
over time? For example, we might be lucky enough to port to the 6.0 release, 
and then to 6.1. If 6.2 is LTS and commercial only, what is the next Qt 6 
version that an open-source project would jump to? Would that be 6.3? Is TQtC 
going to do something like the “odd (6.1, 6.3…)” releases are opensource but 
the “even (62, 6.4…)” releases are commercial only? Is there a longer term 
roadmap available that explains TQtC vision on how this will work?

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From: Interest  on behalf of Tuukka Turunen 

Date: Thursday, January 7, 2021 at 4:38 AM
To: Giuseppe D'Angelo , "interest@qt-project.org" 

Subject: Re: [Interest] Qt 5.15 pull out of open source?!

Hi,

Apologies for not sending the mail also to the interest mailing list. This is 
nothing new, as this was announced in already February 2020. Otherwise Qt 
continues to be available for open-source users, but the long-term support 
releases of Qt will be available only for the commercial license holders. First 
commercial-only patch release being Qt 5.15.3 planned to be released in 
February 2021.

Qt 5.15.2 continues to be available for all users, so situation is similar as 
with Qt 5.13 and Qt 5.14, for example (no new patch releases). Qt 6.0.0 and 
subsequent patch releases, as well as upcoming Qt 6.1 and Qt 6.2 etc releases 
are also available for open-source users. Eventually we will enter 
long-term-support phase with Qt 6.2 LTS at which point again these are only for 
commercial license holders, but all releases done until that point continue to 
be available for all users.

Yours,

Tuukka



From: Interest 
Date: Thursday, 7. January 2021 at 10.45
To: interest@qt-project.org 
Subject: Re: [Interest] Qt 5.15 pull out of open source?!
Hi,

Il 07/01/21 04:03, Jérôme Godbout ha scritto:
> Hi,
> is this any true?
> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item=Qt-5.15-LTS-Commercial-Phase

Please see the thread on development@ (no idea why the original message
was not posted on interest@ as well.).

> https://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/development/2021-January/040798.html


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Re: [Interest] Qt 5.15 pull out of open source?!

2021-01-07 Thread Tuukka Turunen 

Hi Michael,

All Qt feature releases are available for all users of Qt. It is just the 
extended period of long-term support that is available for commercial license 
holders only. 

One way to visualize period of available patch releases for open-source users 
is as follows:

Qt 5.13 *
Qt 5.14 ***
Qt 5.15 **
Qt 6.0 
Qt 6.1   **
Qt 6.2  *
Qt 6.3  
**


Same thing for commercial users is as follows:

Qt 5.13 *
Qt 5.14 ***
Qt 5.15 LTS 
*
Qt 6.0 
Qt 6.1  **
Qt 6.2 LTS  
*
Qt 6.3  
**

Note that this is an indicative visualization of the period when patch releases 
are created for each Qt version, not accurate timeline representation of patch 
release dates. 

In essence the situation for open-source users is just like it was for everyone 
before introducing the long-term supported releases (with Qt 5.6). 

Yours,

Tuukka

From: Michael Jackson 
Date: Thursday, 7. January 2021 at 17.01
To: Tuukka Turunen , interest@qt-project.org 

Subject: Re: [Interest] Qt 5.15 pull out of open source?!
Dear Tuukka, 
As an open source developer who has used Qt since 2009, I am still a bit 
confused as to what versions of Qt6 that my open-source project should be using 
over time? For example, we might be lucky enough to port to the 6.0 release, 
and then to 6.1. If 6.2 is LTS and commercial only, what is the next Qt 6 
version that an open-source project would jump to? Would that be 6.3? Is TQtC 
going to do something like the “odd (6.1, 6.3…)” releases are opensource but 
the “even (62, 6.4…)” releases are commercial only? Is there a longer term 
roadmap available that explains TQtC vision on how this will work?
 
--
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  BlueQuartz Software
[e] mike.jack...@bluequartz.net
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From: Interest  on behalf of Tuukka Turunen 

Date: Thursday, January 7, 2021 at 4:38 AM
To: Giuseppe D'Angelo , "interest@qt-project.org" 

Subject: Re: [Interest] Qt 5.15 pull out of open source?!
 
Hi,
 
Apologies for not sending the mail also to the interest mailing list. This is 
nothing new, as this was announced in already February 2020. Otherwise Qt 
continues to be available for open-source users, but the long-term support 
releases of Qt will be available only for the commercial license holders. First 
commercial-only patch release being Qt 5.15.3 planned to be released in 
February 2021. 
 
Qt 5.15.2 continues to be available for all users, so situation is similar as 
with Qt 5.13 and Qt 5.14, for example (no new patch releases). Qt 6.0.0 and 
subsequent patch releases, as well as upcoming Qt 6.1 and Qt 6.2 etc releases 
are also available for open-source users. Eventually we will enter 
long-term-support phase with Qt 6.2 LTS at which point again these are only for 
commercial license holders, but all releases done until that point continue to 
be available for all users. 
 
Yours,
 
    Tuukka
 
 
 
From: Interest 
Date: Thursday, 7. January 2021 at 10.45
To: interest@qt-project.org 
Subject: Re: [Interest] Qt 5.15 pull out of open source?!
Hi,

Il 07/01/21 04:03, Jérôme Godbout ha scritto:
> Hi,
> is this any true?
> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item=Qt-5.15-LTS-Commercial-Phase

Please see the thread on development@ (no idea why the original message 
was not posted on interest@ as well.).

> https://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/development/2021-January/040798.html


HTH,

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Re: [Interest] Qt 5.15 pull out of open source?!

2021-01-07 Thread Jérôme Godbout 
From what I understand, opens source are only latest version, so > 5.15.2 will 
be only for commercial since 6.0 is out. So they only support open source for 
the latest release. But the trouble here is that 6.0 is not fully completed 
yet, which make it kind of trouble some.

So for what I understand. 6.2.x where is x will be open source until 6.3.0 is 
out, after that no more.

That would make sense in case 6.0 a complete replacement of 5.0, which is not 
yet.

From: Interest  On Behalf Of Michael Jackson
Sent: January 7, 2021 10:01 AM
To: Tuukka Turunen ; interest@qt-project.org
Subject: Re: [Interest] Qt 5.15 pull out of open source?!

Dear Tuukka,
As an open source developer who has used Qt since 2009, I am still a bit 
confused as to what versions of Qt6 that my open-source project should be using 
over time? For example, we might be lucky enough to port to the 6.0 release, 
and then to 6.1. If 6.2 is LTS and commercial only, what is the next Qt 6 
version that an open-source project would jump to? Would that be 6.3? Is TQtC 
going to do something like the “odd (6.1, 6.3…)” releases are opensource but 
the “even (62, 6.4…)” releases are commercial only? Is there a longer term 
roadmap available that explains TQtC vision on how this will work?

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[w] www.bluequartz.net


From: Interest 
mailto:interest-boun...@qt-project.org>> on 
behalf of Tuukka Turunen mailto:tuukka.turu...@qt.io>>
Date: Thursday, January 7, 2021 at 4:38 AM
To: Giuseppe D'Angelo 
mailto:giuseppe.dang...@kdab.com>>, 
"interest@qt-project.org" 
mailto:interest@qt-project.org>>
Subject: Re: [Interest] Qt 5.15 pull out of open source?!

Hi,

Apologies for not sending the mail also to the interest mailing list. This is 
nothing new, as this was announced in already February 2020. Otherwise Qt 
continues to be available for open-source users, but the long-term support 
releases of Qt will be available only for the commercial license holders. First 
commercial-only patch release being Qt 5.15.3 planned to be released in 
February 2021.

Qt 5.15.2 continues to be available for all users, so situation is similar as 
with Qt 5.13 and Qt 5.14, for example (no new patch releases). Qt 6.0.0 and 
subsequent patch releases, as well as upcoming Qt 6.1 and Qt 6.2 etc releases 
are also available for open-source users. Eventually we will enter 
long-term-support phase with Qt 6.2 LTS at which point again these are only for 
commercial license holders, but all releases done until that point continue to 
be available for all users.

Yours,

Tuukka



From: Interest 
mailto:interest-boun...@qt-project.org>>
Date: Thursday, 7. January 2021 at 10.45
To: interest@qt-project.org 
mailto:interest@qt-project.org>>
Subject: Re: [Interest] Qt 5.15 pull out of open source?!
Hi,

Il 07/01/21 04:03, Jérôme Godbout ha scritto:
> Hi,
> is this any true?
> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item=Qt-5.15-LTS-Commercial-Phase

Please see the thread on development@ (no idea why the original message
was not posted on interest@ as well.).

> https://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/development/2021-January/040798.html


HTH,

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| Senior Software Engineer
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Re: [Interest] Qt 5.15 pull out of open source?!

2021-01-07 Thread Michael Jackson 
Dear Tuukka, 

As an open source developer who has used Qt since 2009, I am still a bit 
confused as to what versions of Qt6 that my open-source project should be using 
over time? For example, we might be lucky enough to port to the 6.0 release, 
and then to 6.1. If 6.2 is LTS and commercial only, what is the next Qt 6 
version that an open-source project would jump to? Would that be 6.3? Is TQtC 
going to do something like the “odd (6.1, 6.3…)” releases are opensource but 
the “even (62, 6.4…)” releases are commercial only? Is there a longer term 
roadmap available that explains TQtC vision on how this will work?

 

--

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  BlueQuartz Software

[e] mike.jack...@bluequartz.net

[w] www.bluequartz.net

 

 

From: Interest  on behalf of Tuukka Turunen 

Date: Thursday, January 7, 2021 at 4:38 AM
To: Giuseppe D'Angelo , "interest@qt-project.org" 

Subject: Re: [Interest] Qt 5.15 pull out of open source?!

 

Hi,

 

Apologies for not sending the mail also to the interest mailing list. This is 
nothing new, as this was announced in already February 2020. Otherwise Qt 
continues to be available for open-source users, but the long-term support 
releases of Qt will be available only for the commercial license holders. First 
commercial-only patch release being Qt 5.15.3 planned to be released in 
February 2021. 

 

Qt 5.15.2 continues to be available for all users, so situation is similar as 
with Qt 5.13 and Qt 5.14, for example (no new patch releases). Qt 6.0.0 and 
subsequent patch releases, as well as upcoming Qt 6.1 and Qt 6.2 etc releases 
are also available for open-source users. Eventually we will enter 
long-term-support phase with Qt 6.2 LTS at which point again these are only for 
commercial license holders, but all releases done until that point continue to 
be available for all users. 

 

Yours,

 

Tuukka

 

 

 

From: Interest 
Date: Thursday, 7. January 2021 at 10.45
To: interest@qt-project.org 
Subject: Re: [Interest] Qt 5.15 pull out of open source?!

Hi,

Il 07/01/21 04:03, Jérôme Godbout ha scritto:
> Hi,
> is this any true?
> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item=Qt-5.15-LTS-Commercial-Phase

Please see the thread on development@ (no idea why the original message 
was not posted on interest@ as well.).

> https://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/development/2021-January/040798.html


HTH,

-- 
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Re: [Interest] Qt 5.15 pull out of open source?!

2021-01-07 Thread Jérôme Godbout 
Hi,
That leave a sour taste since 6.0 is far to be ready for mainstream, don't get 
me wrong it is a great rework and show many potential. But I cannot even port a 
single project to it so far (none of the project I work on have all the 
necessary module, IoT application without oauth or bluetooth and the like is 
plain impossible), it leave 5.15.2 to be the only solution until 6.2 get out, 
no more fixes or anything. That start to look pretty bad on my end.  Last few 
project have been shift to Xamarin/Blazor with C# because of recent license fog 
and that open source lock down. I feel sad, but no project owner want to take 
the risk with Qt or his high price compare to competition. 

I always loved Qt and even more with Qml. I end up doing less and less of it. 
It was a good ride with Qt, sadly, I'm not sure any more project as consultant 
will show up with Qt... I barely had 1 in the past year and a big rise on C# 
Xamarin and blazor are rising quickly, not that I like it, but that's the 
market aorund me in Montreal/Quebec start to look like lately. I also do work 
for a huge European cie that shifted to C# too. Only medical cie are sticking 
to it around me, since the cost of revalidation is too high. Might not be the 
case for everyone, but as a service cie that what we are seeing right now and 
that's sad.

Jerome
☹

-Original Message-
From: Interest  On Behalf Of Thiago Macieira
Sent: January 7, 2021 6:39 AM
To: interest@qt-project.org
Subject: Re: [Interest] Qt 5.15 pull out of open source?!

On Thursday, 7 January 2021 07:26:33 -03 Richard Weickelt wrote:
> It was ONLY communicated that releases will no longer be available. It 
> was NOT communicated that the LTS branches will be closed for new 
> commits and further patches land in a different repository.

It was. Maybe not in that same very blog post, but it was.

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Re: [Interest] Glib vulnerability on QT 5.6.3 dependency

2021-01-07 Thread Ramakanth Kesireddy 
Thanks for your mail.
Sorry got the version wrong. Meant to upgrade from the existing version
of 2.52.3 to version higher than 2.60.4 and above.
Also in the plan to upgrade to latest Qt 6 though we are yet to decide to
move from the existing qtwebkit module to Qtwebengine.

On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 5:15 PM Thiago Macieira 
wrote:

> On Thursday, 7 January 2021 03:15:41 -03 Ramakanth Kesireddy wrote:
> > A vulnerability is found with the glib version 2.52.3 as
> > https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2019-12450.
> >
> > Is it recommended to upgrade the glib version to 2.8.3 or look for any
> > patch with the existing version or ignore the CVE?
>
> First, 52 > 8, so your question makes absolutely no sense.
>
> Second, 2.58 is not the latest stable version of glib, 2.66 is. You should
> consider upgrading to that.
>
> Third, you should always upgrade your components to avoid security issues.
> Don't let your system get too old. Like running Qt 5.6.
>
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Re: [Interest] Glib vulnerability on QT 5.6.3 dependency

2021-01-07 Thread Thiago Macieira 
On Thursday, 7 January 2021 03:15:41 -03 Ramakanth Kesireddy wrote:
> A vulnerability is found with the glib version 2.52.3 as
> https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2019-12450.
> 
> Is it recommended to upgrade the glib version to 2.8.3 or look for any
> patch with the existing version or ignore the CVE?

First, 52 > 8, so your question makes absolutely no sense.

Second, 2.58 is not the latest stable version of glib, 2.66 is. You should 
consider upgrading to that.

Third, you should always upgrade your components to avoid security issues. 
Don't let your system get too old. Like running Qt 5.6.

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Re: [Interest] Qt 5.15 pull out of open source?!

2021-01-07 Thread Thiago Macieira 
On Thursday, 7 January 2021 07:26:33 -03 Richard Weickelt wrote:
> It was ONLY communicated that releases will no longer be available. It was
> NOT communicated that the LTS branches will be closed for new commits and
> further patches land in a different repository.

It was. Maybe not in that same very blog post, but it was.

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Re: [Interest] Qt 5.15 pull out of open source?!

2021-01-07 Thread Richard Weickelt 

> Apologies for not sending the mail also to the interest mailing list. This
> is nothing new, as this was announced in already February 2020.

Please correct me if I am wrong. I assume that you are referring to this
blog post: https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-offering-changes-2020

It was ONLY communicated that releases will no longer be available. It was
NOT communicated that the LTS branches will be closed for new commits and
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Re: [Interest] Qt 5.15 pull out of open source?!

2021-01-07 Thread Tuukka Turunen 
Hi,

Apologies for not sending the mail also to the interest mailing list. This is 
nothing new, as this was announced in already February 2020. Otherwise Qt 
continues to be available for open-source users, but the long-term support 
releases of Qt will be available only for the commercial license holders. First 
commercial-only patch release being Qt 5.15.3 planned to be released in 
February 2021.

Qt 5.15.2 continues to be available for all users, so situation is similar as 
with Qt 5.13 and Qt 5.14, for example (no new patch releases). Qt 6.0.0 and 
subsequent patch releases, as well as upcoming Qt 6.1 and Qt 6.2 etc releases 
are also available for open-source users. Eventually we will enter 
long-term-support phase with Qt 6.2 LTS at which point again these are only for 
commercial license holders, but all releases done until that point continue to 
be available for all users.

Yours,

Tuukka



From: Interest 
Date: Thursday, 7. January 2021 at 10.45
To: interest@qt-project.org 
Subject: Re: [Interest] Qt 5.15 pull out of open source?!
Hi,

Il 07/01/21 04:03, Jérôme Godbout ha scritto:
> Hi,
> is this any true?
> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item=Qt-5.15-LTS-Commercial-Phase

Please see the thread on development@ (no idea why the original message
was not posted on interest@ as well.).

> https://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/development/2021-January/040798.html


HTH,

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Re: [Interest] Qt 5.15 pull out of open source?!

2021-01-07 Thread Christian Gagneraud 
Hi Giuseppe,

On Thu, 7 Jan 2021, 21:42 Giuseppe D'Angelo via Interest, <
interest@qt-project.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Il 07/01/21 04:03, Jérôme Godbout ha scritto:
> > Hi,
> > is this any true?
> >
> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item=Qt-5.15-LTS-Commercial-Phase
>
> Please see the thread on development@ (no idea why the original message
> was not posted on interest@ as well.).
>
> >
> https://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/development/2021-January/040798.html


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Re: [Interest] Qt 5.15 pull out of open source?!

2021-01-07 Thread Giuseppe D'Angelo via Interest 

Hi,

Il 07/01/21 04:03, Jérôme Godbout ha scritto:

Hi,
is this any true?
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item=Qt-5.15-LTS-Commercial-Phase


Please see the thread on development@ (no idea why the original message 
was not posted on interest@ as well.).



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