Re: [Interest] Windows 7 support will be dropped in Qt 6
On 6/13/20 5:00 AM, interest-requ...@qt-project.org wrote: Yes, anyone needing to support Win 7 can still use Qt 5, which is what's going to happen for several more years at least. I though one of the goals for Qt 6 was quicker adaptation than the Qt 4 -> 5 migration. From this move, and everything I've seen discussed on the devs list lately, I just don't see that happening. Seems like one breaking change after another (even if each individual one is relatively minor, they add up quickly). Well, if your only focus is phones, abandoning the desktop and embedded systems world, they definitely will have quicker adoption in the phone market. Everybody else will have to quickly jump ship. I wonder what KDE will do? -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net http://www.johnsmith-book.com http://www.logikalblog.com http://www.interestingauthors.com/blog ___ Interest mailing list Interest@qt-project.org https://lists.qt-project.org/listinfo/interest
Re: [Interest] Windows 7 support will be dropped in Qt 6
I would restate my objection by pointing out again [1] that Win 7 is still the 2nd most popular desktop OS in the world, with 3x more users than all MacOS versions combined. Never mind Linux, which is on par with Win XP users (the previous "known good" Windows version prior to 7). Any software publisher not catering exclusively to the "cool kids" with the "latest and greatest" mentality would be shooting themselves in the foot by dropping Win 7 support at this point. That's millions of potential users. Depending on one's market, of course. I would bet Qt could save a lot more resources by dropping MacOS/Linux support entirely. Not saying that's a good idea, but dropping the 2nd most popular OS instead doesn't make any sense to me either. Yes, anyone needing to support Win 7 can still use Qt 5, which is what's going to happen for several more years at least. I though one of the goals for Qt 6 was quicker adaptation than the Qt 4 -> 5 migration. From this move, and everything I've seen discussed on the devs list lately, I just don't see that happening. Seems like one breaking change after another (even if each individual one is relatively minor, they add up quickly). There was plenty of negative feedback left on QTBUG-74687, but it was all either ignored or dismissed. Why bother even asking people's opinion if the decision had already been made? Lastly, please everyone get off their high horse about how you're leading reluctant (or "clueless") users to a better and more secure future by "encouraging" them to "upgrade" to Win 10. There are numerous reasons NOT to switch to Win 10, especially if one actually understands how to properly handle computer security, is concerned with privacy issues, and/or just wants to get some work done instead of constantly installing forced OS updates. NVM just the hassle itself of screwing with a working system. Also I don't know what "latest features" people are talking about (from a user perspective) -- I'm definitely a computer "power user" and I can't actually name one Win 10 feature which I can't do in Win 7 (touch-centric UI being an exception in some cases, which is only useful for tablets and mostly just gets in the way on a desktop). And anyone suggesting Win 8 has clearly just never actually tried it. -Max [1]: https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-74687?focusedCommentId=498172#comment-498172 ___ Interest mailing list Interest@qt-project.org https://lists.qt-project.org/listinfo/interest
Re: [Interest] Windows 7 support will be dropped in Qt 6
On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 1:42 PM Oliver Wolff wrote: > > - We can focus our Windows resources on bug fixes and new > functionality instead of maintaining this "legacy" operating system > - CI resources that are used for Windows 7 tests can be used to > test other configurations Please don't move resources from Win10 to Win7. The Windows team is already spread pretty thin and there's many QPA bugs to fix. Win10 shouldn't suffer at the expense of legacy. Besides, Qt 5.15 is supported until 2023 too. If Microsoft ever extends paid-support further I suggest Qt 5.15 is extended too. Regards, Sérgio M. ___ Interest mailing list Interest@qt-project.org https://lists.qt-project.org/listinfo/interest
[Interest] Windows 7 support will be dropped in Qt 6
Hi, with Qt 6 approaching it is time to have a look at our set of supported platforms. One candidate for removal of support was Windows 7. Some considerations about dropping this support have been communicated on Qt's development mailing list in March last year [1] and there were some discussions about this topic on the corresponding bug report [2] The operating system was initially launched in 2009 and reached its official end of life in January 2020. That means that Microsoft no longer provides security updates and instances running Windows 7 should be replaced as soon as possible. With this official Microsoft standing in mind our current plan is to remove support for Windows 7 in Qt 6.0 onwards. Qt 6.0 release is planned towards the end of 2020, roughly one year after Windows 7’s end of life. Of course, we do not make decisions like this easily or to upset our users but there are clear advantages that speak in favor of dropping support: - We can rely on Windows functions being available instead of trying to dynamically load libraries which might or might not be available. - We can use functionality that only became available in later Windows versions unconditionally. One example of this can be UWP APIs which are Microsoft's "new way of writing APIs". Our new graphics abstraction (RHI) can also rely on newer features being available on Windows - We can focus our Windows resources on bug fixes and new functionality instead of maintaining this "legacy" operating system - CI resources that are used for Windows 7 tests can be used to test other configurations Br, Olli [1] https://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/development/2019-March/035532.html [2] https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-74687 ___ Interest mailing list Interest@qt-project.org https://lists.qt-project.org/listinfo/interest
