[PHP-DEV] 2/3 = ??? Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Vote change for empty() RFC
On Mon, May 21, 2012 5:22 pm, Sanford Whiteman wrote: Ah, this is why one should trust a coder over a butler: http://www.ask.com/answers/112530521/5-people-are-voting-what-is-2-3-s-of-a-majority Regarding the 2/3 super-majority rule... I thought I'd check the non-authorative but always interesting wikipedia article... Apparently, we are not the only ones confused by edge cases: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermajority -- brain cancer update: http://richardlynch.blogspot.com/search/label/brain%20tumor Donate: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclickhosted_button_id=FS9NLTNEEKWBE -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] 2/3 = ??? Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Vote change for empty() RFC
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Sanford Whiteman swhitemanlistens-softw...@cypressintegrated.com wrote: Apparently, we are not the only ones confused by edge cases: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermajority Can you point to where there's any suggestion of using the ceiling (rounding up) instead of requiring whole persons? In fact, the Wikipedia page matter-of-factly says ...two thirds (currently 34) of the states -- S. I'm not sure I understand where the conflict is. 2/3 * 50 == 33 1/3. Therefore, 33 states would be just below the required 2/3, while 34 states would be just above it. So the 34 figure you quoted seems to match this perfectly. The article does mention some ambiguity, but that's pertaining to whether the total includes everyone who *can* vote or just everyone who *did* vote. As far as I know, that's not relevant to this discussion. --Kris
Re: [PHP-DEV] 2/3 = ??? Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Vote change for empty() RFC
I'm not sure I understand where the conflict is. 2/3 * 50 == 33 1/3. Therefore, 33 states would be just below the required 2/3, while 34 states would be just above it. So the 34 figure you quoted seems to match this perfectly. The article does mention some ambiguity, but that's pertaining to whether the total includes everyone who *can* vote or just everyone who *did* vote. As far as I know, that's not relevant to this discussion. I agree, don't see any relevant edges. From what I can see in the bylaws for writing bylaws world, it is understood that you must have whole persons unless you *specifically* make an exception that you will use the ceiling. -- S. -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] 2/3 = ??? Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Vote change for empty() RFC
On Tue, May 22, 2012 1:51 pm, Sanford Whiteman wrote: Apparently, we are not the only ones confused by edge cases: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermajority Can you point to where there's any suggestion of using the ceiling (rounding up) instead of requiring whole persons? In fact, the Wikipedia page matter-of-factly says ...two thirds (currently 34) of the states I should have been more clear: Whether that article addresses rounding up, down or sideways, it's an awfully long article for what should be a fairly simple thing... I know I started zoning out long before the halfway mark. I certainly didn't do the math for every example from every country/quorum/entity... Actually, if we used the abstain == no logic of some bodies, I don't think any of our RFCs would pass :-) -- brain cancer update: http://richardlynch.blogspot.com/search/label/brain%20tumor Donate: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclickhosted_button_id=FS9NLTNEEKWBE -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] 2/3 = ??? Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Vote change for empty() RFC
Whether that article addresses rounding up, down or sideways, it's an awfully long article for what should be a fairly simple thing... It does seem long-winded toward the top. I guess it's notable that in all that text, it doesn't even note the floor/ceiling concept. I interpret the absence as because it's obvious, but you could argue (given the inanity of the Ask.com answers) that isn't obvious enough to be left out of the 'pedia of record. Maybe someone on Internals is also an active Wiki editor. -- S. -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
